its like a balloon being held under water its eventually got to go up 

so crossing under 600 / could this next fall trigger the next rise,. ? / the pump must come,.

i said ruff lee 3 months maybe the end of the year 2 be optimistic/ a month has now burned away / 750 was the pre halving hype and a lot of buying coming out of china supposedly that got us up into that very short lived bubble ,. / still no halving kicking in to feel a boost why ? might the halving still take a moment / there will still need 2 be some kind of frenzy / some kind of news / some more hands entering and buying / some kind of a pump to give us a boost / 2 bad that exchange biting the dust caused some stress on the price / i want to see this all turn around / i do wonder if lacking the dead exchange plays any real swing on the price being able to recover quickly / lets see the next rally pump frenzy / 2 get this 2 move jest 225 upward to 800 is not that great of a mountain 2 climb / its a bit of a limbo until the next move / it might sink a little before the sails catch the wind / come on halving lets see some results, . lets see something within the next few months to get us over the hump , certainly by 2017 i would hope ,.

IT IS NOW AUGUST 2016 ))

We have seen a steady climb of the present course / if you had invested in the 200 range you would have made profit on the upward momentum
my coins were acquired by trading over the last bubble not by strategically investing trying to make money from btc buying low and selling high

any way we saw a slow steady bubble as bit coin rebounded from its crash  / the Chinese got involved into buying up btc again right before the halving was about to take place / the top of the bubble reached the high 750s for a short time / if you did not have your btc on a exchange ready to cash out the lump some doing so would be tricky as the window of high 750s was fast as the bubble rebounded down to the 650s to around 590 ware we are now do to another exchange falling to peaces insolvency a shock wave felt at this present point / there will be another coin actuation this week a large bounty of the silk-road coins this could effect the market slightly / i mention the halving because/ that was a big deal / the pre-hype gave us a nice bubble and the halving itself now in effect could help in a rebound to a stable higher price / we are hoping for some of the turmoil to end so we can see the long predicted rise past the 800 mark into 1000
could this be achieved threw regular growth constant buying and the post halving effect and would the window be grater than the end of this year to achieve desired results / some are looking for a quick rebound / the exchange dropping cut the last ride short and some of the buying pressure slowed
as the halving came into existence / a natural turn around from hear would be welcomed / i would like to see some events or like-lee some kind of manipulation to capitalize on sending this ride up and on ward / so that is what may take a little time to in-act / whats the next catalyst to rebound back up to 800 plus / at the moment it feels like a short long jump to move us jest 200 up    

after say the fall of the last exchange and the next silk roads auction
can we get a ETA estimated time of arrival on the next bubble  ?
about how long till we see positive 800 per coin and up  ? 

na'' the price skyrocketed from a dishonest exchange and china jumping into the game more like mt-gox
(with-out-gox) its going slow to say the least,, run a willy bot and get us above 1000 dollars per 1 btc

hi,, again,,
i chime in every so often when there is some kind of news ''
so hows it going ,..  = no market manipulation by GOX like exchange
= equals no quick run 2 ,.. ((1,200))..  jest a friendly reminder /\..
this steady price we see around 230 would be good for trade
and the stability would offer good trade for the average joe
to get into bitcoin , well and not loose there money ,.
buy some coins,,. buy some things on line ,,. e.c.t. e.c.t.
i am still from the school of, i would like 2 see another inflation
bubble 2 cash out in.. and if there is one coming , well then
buying coins at 230 and selling at 1200 ,. mite be a good investment
for you??
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any way hears the new news that is about a month old ,. i jest found out ,.
being that AGORA is was the biggest dark net market place in current operation
they not being around or they coming back to being around may have some
consequence on the price of btc ,.
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hi there folks out there in bitcoin world
yes my thread did not need to be reactivated however hear we go
were we left off
basic-lee bitcoin drops from 1200 down to 200
then it plays this game of going from
200 to 300 drops back to 200 then up to 300 then back to 200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!again

kats that made bread on that ?
the ones that bought in heavy at 200 and sold at 300 making a quick move..   
okay shore good call you rode the market and made money nice..

for the rest of us,, or jest simply me,, the ones that have bought in or acquired coins
at a higher value and looking to cash out this is jest garbage /\
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a few things that have happened
1)) a free trade open bazaar  , i don't have the links or all the info
but basically a main stream platform pops up actually it was 2 different sites in development i recall
to make BTC usable for the masses
HOWEVER this has not played into BTC going to the moon or any real price increase..... 
great maybe some time in the future /\

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back to reality . . . . .\/

the move from 200 to 300
this could be a preconceived move
controlled by the exchanges or exchange
ware they are happy to make 100 per coin prophet
not shake up suspicion and not getting caught as its jest a small fluctuation..
however they are controlling the market not guessing at the price controlling the price so they know ware there money is at all times
..shore or jest its maybe regular btc up and down shore..

next we look back again at MT GOX
and how the company ceo mark karpeles eventually gets arrested
no i don't have all the details but there on the net some-wares

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the point!! ! !

basically MT GOX controlled 70 percent of the btc market when they were up and running and looting
that is the point and what this thread has boiled down to mt gox

THEY MANIPULATED the market into a 1200 per coin btc value that was short lived
and as i keep saying a major frenzy is needed to send this thing up ward..
i don't see it !!
i see scams and money hungry exchanges
its we need a new exchange to manipulate the market as there is money to be made
so its possible jest look at MT GOX its shady as well , could someone else pull of that kind of thing
and get away with it? one gox flaw was well they took everyone-s money'' they could of still made a boat load
and kept there exchange rolling along willy-botting away jest simply playing with there moneys and not touching
all the participants in there exchange   

so, no,, MT GOX,, and = BTC sits at 200,,
this is double what it was before the bubble as it was at 100 before
now 200 as a lot more people have jumped on board during the last year or two 
so it seems to be the ground floor ,. there are a lot of people into btc since the bubble and people made a lot of money on that bubble , so with that added momentum why not double 100
for the ground worth of a coin = 200

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what s not making sense is how we go from 200 to 1200
we went from 200 to 300
ware is the 500 600 800
well there is not a exchange controlling 70 percent of the market and manipulating it to make big gains
and china jest has no good news

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so i keep saying technicians of btc
we need another willy bot exchange type thing to send it back up
its sad but true
you think 10,000 per coin you think 1,200 per coin
we got to 1200 thru a crooked dishonest scam artists = mark karples at mt gox 

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so whats it going to be
are we going to blast right up from 200 to 1200
are we going on a slow climb from 200 to 1200
are we going from 200 to 300 to 200
are we jest going to slowly fall back to 100

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ware is the market manipulation ?
ware are the dishonest money hungry exchanges
ware are the willy bots  


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so it is going to take a long wile to get to 1000
you say the half-ing mite do it ,,...  MAYBE?? 

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what i did see work
was a BTC exchange controlling 70 percent of the market controlling the market trading
producing a large rapid bubble ,, creating a big price increase that was short lived . . ..

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cheers

BTC-e Suspends Withdrawals to Stop Stolen Coin Dump
March 21, 2015 By Brendon 1 Comment

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BTC-e admins have reached out to Coin Fire to state that withdrawals have been re-enabled and that they have no further comments regarding the situation moving forward regarding this or any other security issue. The staff member originally speaking with Coin Fire has informed our team to speak with the administrators only moving forward and reiterated that the exchange has no comment.

In a surprise move, BTC-e has suspended withdrawals from the cryptocurrency exchange in an effort to stop coins from the Evolution theft being exchanged and withdrawn. BTC-e has long been known as a secretive exchange where the owners have never been publicly revealed and coins can be dumped with little oversight.

Coin Fire has learned from an employee at BTC-e via email that withdrawals have been suspended and placed in a manual processing mode. BTC-e staff members are currently evaluating transactions on the exchange platform to review for irregularities connected to the potential laundering of the stolen coins.

The exchange states that it has been in contact with the staff at several other exchanges in a concentrated effort to prevent the stolen coins from being used on a cryptocurrency exchange. A staff member told a Coin Fire contributor,

We are working to stop these coins from moving. If a user gets a PM asking them to perform a withdraw, please alert BTC-e immediately and decline the offer.

BTC-e believes that some users are being asked via private messages to withdraw coins in an effort to help launder the coins for those behind the theft.

Coin Fire will continue to monitor this developing story.

my theory revised
when large coin floods to cash out , btc price drops ----
when large buying is present, btc price go-s up ----
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  Can you estimate how much was lost?


   i laughed when they said 12m, 33-38m in total was stored across Evolution. Good luck finding it.


- -- -     -    -  /\ -- quoted from a honest admin from evolution -- /\ - --

chime-ING back in to add
1) volatility not really helping the situation as of right now
when we were about to break above the 300 mark
there seems to be a downward spiral.
after we go back down
i am hoping we go back upwards
and bounce back upwards and get above the 300 mark.. 

2) EVOLUTION MARKET = a large dark net market has scammed its users making off
with everyone-s coins they had stored in there vaults = SOUNDS FAMILIAR= ? 

3) they most like lee are flooding the market to cash out quick
witch for sum reason could be making the price of BTC go down ?

4)i hope in the weeks months to come there is sum positive for all of us
in  the direction of upward movement

= 1000 for ,1, BTC still seems far away =

cheers ,. 

dat the the spirt bro
if u need sum concepts read my thread
BITCOIN GO UP BITCOIN GO DOWN
it a few pages back /\
basic lee if you could get your own exchange
and then use price manipulation as mt gox did
you could make sum big coin
however anything you can do to SEND THIS THING UP
would be much appreciated

some one else s quot \/''
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Any of you guys that think for a second that now that Mt. Gox and Willy/Markus/Whatever are gone and the system can't be gamed again are nuts.

This market is still incredibly small, and incredibly controlled by a small number of deep pocket whales that have accounts in every major exchange.

As we speak, they are probably planning their next big runup score and how it will all go down.  They'll spend a year accumulating cheap coins off exchange, then turn on the turbo bots YET AGAIN on every major exchange.

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me = /\ basic lee yes,...
there is 2 much money invested
and i try to point out the price manipulation using GOX as a example
they being a huge exchange at the time with a lot of market control...
could the price increase be due 2 natural causes ? growth , expansion , major adoption ?
shore it could.. however GOX blew this thing up in a not=natural way a balloon bubble 
that sum of us got caught in ,with artificially inflated coins .. 

the solution is wait for natural causes to bring the next price increase ? 
or if,,...
GOX played the market ..
IT MUST BE PLAYED AGAIN
the market must be run up in another bubble
and the ones with big money invested, need 2 run the BOT technology
or take it farther and open there own exchange ?
having the know how money and technical experience to do so
could result in market control and big gains...
any way you look at it' the big money players are waiting
the average joes are waiting
for the next big run to the top''',,...
being that bit coin is a unn audible currency
it makes me believe there are sum dark forces at work
working towards the next bubble..
so lets hope in the next year or so, the BOTS go ON and someone,
figures this stuff out, as GOX did, and sends this thing 2 the moon .. . .
so we all can recoup our losses , and or , profit as those in the know will,, from the BOT skyrocket balloon bubble technology'',,...   
. . . . .   .    . 

a quote from some one else with a good look at the bubble'''' ' \/'' ' '' ' '   



i've said it before and i'll say it again - the entire runup of bitcoin from a stable(ish) 100 (that 100 value was arguably heavily manipulated in the first place by artificial capital of previous fraudulent exchanges / drug money driven by the silk road) to the all time high price in the 1200s was driven by a *BILLION* non-existent dollars that MtGox used to "buy" bitcoin off of their own fraudulent exchange (which was at the time by far the highest volume exchange on the planet) ... and just to repeat that for the slow folks ... they used a *BILLION* dollars in fake capital to cause that rise in price ... and you all wonder why people think bitcoin is a scam ? ? ?

 http://blog.wizsec.jp/2015/02/mtgox-investigation-release.html


as i was saying /\
the market was manipulated by mt gox
and the ceo made millions

china jumps on board and before they past a slew
of regulations outlawing bitcoin over there
for how ever long that was
they bought sold traded BTC like crazy
which also may have added fire to the bubble

jest seems like when mt gox ran there game
they had full control of the market

big exchanges or some one person technologically
savoy enough to pull off something like this price manipulation
of mt gox need do so ASAP and drive the price into the stratus fear
so all you hackers and computer geniuses figure out this
willy bot stuff buy or steal coins at a low price
manipulate the market skyward and then cash out with
a huge profit as ceo of gox did
this would benefit the rest of us
as the price would go to 1000 or above

also as i said
when mt gox had all them coins of other peoples money
in there vaults
they ran a scheme to increase the value
to gain MAX MONEY out of there game
my guess is Mark Karpeles washed all those coins
into off shore bank accounts at top dollar
to retire on and declared bankruptcy or what ever
and YOU might have dun the same thing
with millions starring you in the face

as i said before
you will need a major frenzy
to bring the price back up or above 1000

in conclusion
the HALF-ING that may happen down the road
producing less BTC coins
may also lead to a increase
in value as less coins will me minted
making those holding coins
more valuable and lead to a higher price ?

also a major adoption of the btc currency would
benefit us or the collapse of regular currency
over all a lot of buying and selling
trading
should lead to a over all value increase

wile a lot of holding seams to stagnate the market
and lower the value

however ?
this is based on logic ?

and with the WILLY REPORT !
we can see jest how important
price manipulation is to the over all
skyward value! ! 

 Summary of the Willy Report
The suspicious user accounts identified by the Willy Report all followed a particular pattern:

    Each account was active for a single time period, and only one account was active at a time.
    Each account bought 10-20 bitcoins every 5-10 minutes.
    Each account only bought bitcoin with USD, and never sold any coins.
    Each account bought bitcoin up to a very specific total USD amount (e.g. 2,500,000 USD).
    After each account was "finished", another account would shortly become active and continue buying.
    These accounts were seemingly able to trade even when MtGox was inaccessible to the world.
    All trades by these accounts had unusual data in the trade log files.

This automated trading began on September 27, 2013 and continued at least until the end of the leaked log data (at the end of November 2013). After this point there is no trade data available publicly, but people claim to have observed this behavior continue into 2014, and supposedly at some point after that, the reverse started happening; automated selling of bitcoin at regular intervals.

The second half of the Willy Report investigates another suspicious account in the leaked trade logs, with seemingly incorrect fiat amounts recorded for its trades. This account exhibited different behavior but like Willy it seemed to buy a lot of bitcoin during 2013 (February through September) only to suddenly stop, mere hours before the first Willy account began trading. The report dubbed this user "Markus", and later concluded that it was using the MtGox trading account of CEO Mark Karpelès, though the log data was inconsistent and may have been intentionally manipulated specifically to conceal or obfuscate this account activity. Ultimately the relationship between Markus and Willy remains unclear.
Impact on the MtGox market
Willy bought a very large amount of bitcoin on MtGox during the period of September 27 – November 30 during 2013 (and later, though the leaked logs end on this date), a total of over 250,000 BTC. There is a very high probability that this had a large effect on the price of bitcoin, opening up the possibility that this may have been a plan to manipulate the market rather than (or in addition to) fraudulently acquiring bitcoins. Another speculation has been that MtGox for some reason had a shortage of bitcoins and used their own exchange to acquire more, trading BTC shortage for USD shortage.

To get an overview of just how significant this activity was, the following is a graph of how much of the hourly trade volume on MtGox was actually Willy, with the MtGox bitcoin price overlaid:

As clearly seen, for a lot of the time (especially when the market was otherwise quiet), Willy had a significant presence, and it is hard to think that this would not have an effect on the market and in turn the exchange price, through its added buying pressure. There are even some suspicious incidents where Willy becomes absent and soon afterwards the market "corrects" itself to a lower price level.

A question we cannot answer without more data is what continued influence Willy had after November 30. Certainly there were additional strong price climbs later that in the light of this might now appear suspicious, but it is also a fact that the price never peaked past its high point at the end of November. Did Willy stop trading, or was the amount of bitcoins it bought no longer large enough to keep pushing the price even higher? Did Willy or similar fraudulent trading play any role in the massive price crash that began in early February? And finally, what happened to all the bitcoins that Willy seemingly amassed?

''Wow'' wonder what Tim draper will be doing

basic-lee if it splits into smaller holders it would be better
rather than one kat getting all the coins
this way the for-chin is diversified , split up among a lot of people  
or bidders , making the potential for the coins to go more liquid
and back into the economy as they will sell off at different times
at different prices,. Ross shore was holding a bunch ,
and all and all, a -tun- of people are sitting on coins. a-waiting
the next rise ? (maybe the HALF-ING?).. if one person gets all the coins they could sit on
them for a untold time and dimension like Tim draper may be as he bought in around 650 = price ,.

send this thing to the moon all ready or above $1000
its jest you will need a major frenzy!
maybe HALF-ing
a lot of buying selling trading e.c.t.
holding seems to stagnate the price ?
MT GOX manipulated the market
someone get there hands on this technology
and drive the price skyward as MT GOX did , china , e.c.t.....  
peace ,,...

taken from there has got to be a bottom soon thread \/ \/
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Nagle
Legendary
Re: There has got to be a bottom soon?
February 01, 2015, 07:48:27 PM
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Well, last night's low was $208.  Around $220-$225 now.

As I point out occasionally, the two Bitcoin bubbles were driven by external illegal use cases - Silk Road drugs, and China exchange controls evasion.  Both of those holes have now been plugged.  Without a new use case that provides a similar boost, there's no reason for Bitcoin to have a value much higher than it had before the Silk Road bubble. 

the market was manipulated
in the last bubble in my opinion

it could be manipulated again

we could get another bubble

it is still higher than 100 per coin at the moment
which is about ware the last bubble started
100 up to 1200 = last bubble
than a long sink down the yellow brick road

check my thread for more info \/

BITCOIN GO UP BITCOIN GO DOWN

cheer' e' o'