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Re: [WTS]###-ACCOUNTS-Paypal;Revolut;Icard;Paysera;Transferwise;Monese and more-###
Do not buy from him, he is a scammer!
See this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5309440.0
See this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5309440.0
⭐ Merited by actmyname (1)
However this doesnt change the fact that I send him BTC wallet first time not ETH wallet and I edited BTC wallet to my ETH wallet.
Address 1: bc1qk59w4kupt5rrd4hka9zh4pv99rfjuaxp459fkm Address 2: 0x3139029d8b651a039b3a3a3609baf7b8d71767db
Do you see a difference? The second one is the ETH address. How do I know this? Because there is the hexadecimal prefix 0x in front of it. BTC addresses don't use this.
I also tried multiple phone wallets (Trust, BRD, Stasis and Exodus) if it's possible to send ETH to an BTC address (even tried a BTC address with an added 0x prefix). None of those would let me send ETH to an BTC address. (I will provide no proof, please try it out yourself
)Even though I'm a newbie in this forum, I already did several bitcoin and ethereum transactions on other webshops and therefore know the difference between an BTC and ETH address.
I use only blockchain ETH wallet which can be checked aswell.
How should we check that? It's impossible to verify or check that. You could always have thousands of additional addresses we don't know.In order to be a completely transparent with all of you I will provide you the method, how I exchanged the file with Royse777 and actmyname without the possibility for me to change the file.
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I know I can‘t send you the file, because that could be edited by me.
But I thought if you download the file yourself from skype, I‘m not able to change anything.
So please go to http://go.skype.com/export and login with my credentials:
Email: xxxxxx
Password: xxxxxx
(Password will be changed in 24h)
There you should see an available export from the 14th of January.
Please download that.
You will get a tar file. This needs to be extracted (if you don‘t know how, please ask or google).
In the archive is a json file. Open that with a text editor (e.g. notepad++ or visual studio code).
If you search now for the eth address of vareole (0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008) you will see both messages as in my post and you can check the times.
If you then search for my message "Is sending" you can see the time when I sent that message.
This proofs, that vareole changed the message after I sent him the money and this means he lied.
But I thought if you download the file yourself from skype, I‘m not able to change anything.
So please go to http://go.skype.com/export and login with my credentials:
Email: xxxxxx
Password: xxxxxx
(Password will be changed in 24h)
There you should see an available export from the 14th of January.
Please download that.
You will get a tar file. This needs to be extracted (if you don‘t know how, please ask or google).
In the archive is a json file. Open that with a text editor (e.g. notepad++ or visual studio code).
If you search now for the eth address of vareole (0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008) you will see both messages as in my post and you can check the times.
If you then search for my message "Is sending" you can see the time when I sent that message.
This proofs, that vareole changed the message after I sent him the money and this means he lied.
The main problem is with the fact that text files et al can be edited easily, after the fact.
If you can imagine a way for you to fake the details, then you can understand why it's difficult to verify the evidence without having direct access to anything.
As I already wrote in the first post, I will find a way to exchange the file with a 100% proof that I didn‘t edit the file.If you can imagine a way for you to fake the details, then you can understand why it's difficult to verify the evidence without having direct access to anything.
I will add you to my PM so you can check it too.
What tool can I use to verify this message and how can I see this myself and also how would I know the address is user vareole's?
Telegram handle archived: https://archive.vn/wip/sPbAv
Telegram handle archived: https://archive.vn/wip/sPbAv
You don‘t need a special tool to verify. In the skype download there is a JSON file with all messages. Do you know JSON?
I will PM you for the exchange of the file.
You can see the skype id in vareole‘s post. https://archive.vn/FtBws
If this guy is a scammer, and I have seen that name pop up for awhile now, why are you guys still doing deals with him then? I get that the services might be rare in the discussion but don't you think that it is a little desperate for you to go on your way to just accept the said service? Why not use an escrow to make sure that everything will go smoothly? With a lot of this mud slinging going on, I do not know who should I believe because some of them do not have a damning evidence to support their accusation.
Because we are newbies. E.g. I didn‘t know that there were hidden untrusted feedbacks, he also has at least one or two vouches from heros in his thread and I have to say I didn‘t know what an escrow service was, but now I do.Like I told OP in skype already I have sent him btc wallet, but he wanted to buy vcc for eth.
Message was edited within seconds not minutes later like he claim here.
This is bullshit, I have the proof that you edited the message several minutes later.Message was edited within seconds not minutes later like he claim here.
If one of the mods would PM me, I can proof that my numbers are right and your statements wrong!
Btw what or who is a DT?
What happened:
Wanted to buy a preloaded VCC. After I sent him the ethereums*, he changed the ethereum address to a new one and said I did not pay the money.
I then accused him of changing the address after I sent the money. His first reaction was that he didn't changed anything (keep that in mind!).
Afterwards I sent him an screenshot of his message where you can see the pencil besides his message. The pencil means it was edited.
Suddenly he changes his excuse to a mistake were he accidentally sent me a bitcoin address instead of an eth address, but he said he changed it immediately (Now suddenly he remembers that he did change the message!)
You can read more in the provided link below.
* I sent the ethereums via my phone wallet, therefore I sent the eth address and the amount myself via telegram and then I checked the address so I did not mistakenly copied the wrong one or missed some characters. Proof with timestamps: https://imgur.com/a/0RTIHQb
In order to proof that he changed the address, after I sent him my money, I looked up if there is a possibility to check when a message was edited in skype.
The answer was, you can download all you skype messages from this skype website, with the times when they were edited:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34894/how-do-i-export-my-skype-files-and-chat-history
Please keep in mind, you can not download the original content of the message, but the times when those were created/edited.
Those times in the file are in UTC, but I'm in UTC+1. That's the reason why there is 1 hour difference between the file and the images.
So what did I find out?
Oh, what a surprise I can confirm now, that he changed the message afterwards...
His excuse, that he immediately edited the message because of an mistakenly sent bitcoin address, is now busted.
Nearly 7 minutes difference is not immediately!!!
If we look now when I sent my message "Is sending"...
In order to proof this numbers I want to send this file to a moderator. So please contact me, so we can discuss a way, how I can send you the file with a proof that I didn't edited it.
I will not upload the file publicly because there are all my messages with other people in there too.
I hope this accuse is enough proof for vareole getting at least flagged or banned.
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2816771
Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256754.0
Amount Scammed: 0.121152 ETH (110€)
Payment Method: Ethereum
Proof of Payment: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x1f1c0da51240d750833f2f97c03496b4ee1ce3d1970a23340c96d1055d9dda69
PM/Chat Logs: https://imgur.com/a/xJBZhEx
Additional Notes:
Do not buy anything from vareole!!
Wanted to buy a preloaded VCC. After I sent him the ethereums*, he changed the ethereum address to a new one and said I did not pay the money.
I then accused him of changing the address after I sent the money. His first reaction was that he didn't changed anything (keep that in mind!).
Afterwards I sent him an screenshot of his message where you can see the pencil besides his message. The pencil means it was edited.
Suddenly he changes his excuse to a mistake were he accidentally sent me a bitcoin address instead of an eth address, but he said he changed it immediately (Now suddenly he remembers that he did change the message!)
You can read more in the provided link below.
* I sent the ethereums via my phone wallet, therefore I sent the eth address and the amount myself via telegram and then I checked the address so I did not mistakenly copied the wrong one or missed some characters. Proof with timestamps: https://imgur.com/a/0RTIHQb
In order to proof that he changed the address, after I sent him my money, I looked up if there is a possibility to check when a message was edited in skype.
The answer was, you can download all you skype messages from this skype website, with the times when they were edited:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34894/how-do-i-export-my-skype-files-and-chat-history
Please keep in mind, you can not download the original content of the message, but the times when those were created/edited.
Those times in the file are in UTC, but I'm in UTC+1. That's the reason why there is 1 hour difference between the file and the images.
So what did I find out?
Oh, what a surprise I can confirm now, that he changed the message afterwards...
Code:
{
"id": "1610573352373",
"displayName": "vareole",
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:29:07.76Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573785549.0,
"content": "0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"properties": {
"edittime": "1610573785033"
},
"amsreferences": null
},
{
"id": "1610573785299",
"displayName": "vareole",
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:36:25.299Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573785299.0,
"content": "0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"properties": {
"isserversidegenerated": "True"
},
"amsreferences": null
},
So there you can see he sent the original message at 21:29 and changed it at 21:36."id": "1610573352373",
"displayName": "vareole",
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:29:07.76Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573785549.0,
"content": "0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"properties": {
"edittime": "1610573785033"
},
"amsreferences": null
},
{
"id": "1610573785299",
"displayName": "vareole",
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:36:25.299Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573785299.0,
"content": "0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"properties": {
"isserversidegenerated": "True"
},
"amsreferences": null
},
His excuse, that he immediately edited the message because of an mistakenly sent bitcoin address, is now busted.
Nearly 7 minutes difference is not immediately!!!
If we look now when I sent my message "Is sending"...
Code:
{
"id": "1610573692204",
"displayName": null,
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:34:52.091Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573692204.0,
"content": "Is sending",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e",
"properties": null,
"amsreferences": null
},
.. you can see that I sent it at 21:34. That means he changed his message after I sent him the money."id": "1610573692204",
"displayName": null,
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:34:52.091Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573692204.0,
"content": "Is sending",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e",
"properties": null,
"amsreferences": null
},
In order to proof this numbers I want to send this file to a moderator. So please contact me, so we can discuss a way, how I can send you the file with a proof that I didn't edited it.
I will not upload the file publicly because there are all my messages with other people in there too.
I hope this accuse is enough proof for vareole getting at least flagged or banned.
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2816771
Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256754.0
Amount Scammed: 0.121152 ETH (110€)
Payment Method: Ethereum
Proof of Payment: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x1f1c0da51240d750833f2f97c03496b4ee1ce3d1970a23340c96d1055d9dda69
PM/Chat Logs: https://imgur.com/a/xJBZhEx
Additional Notes:
Do not buy anything from vareole!!
Did you confirm the address you copied from skype before hitting send. Just throwing this out there to doublecheck your system to ensure you didn't pick up any malware that replaces addresses, always best practice.
In the future a good practice is to copy the message and respond to them to confirm the address, this way you can definitely prove that you sent to the right address and no one can edit your reply.
Can you post your txid? At least this way some people can try and piece things together if there is anything to find and prove.
In the future a good practice is to copy the message and respond to them to confirm the address, this way you can definitely prove that you sent to the right address and no one can edit your reply.
Can you post your txid? At least this way some people can try and piece things together if there is anything to find and prove.
Yes, I did confirm the address before sending, because I sent me the address and amount per telegram so I can sent the ETH via my phone wallet and then checked it again so I didn't miss a character during copying.
Proof: https://imgur.com/a/0RTIHQb
In the future I know now that I always use an escrow service when I pay that much money.
TXID: 0x3139029d8b651a039b3a3a3609baf7b8d71767db
Transcation: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x1f1c0da51240d750833f2f97c03496b4ee1ce3d1970a23340c96d1055d9dda69
I also did some research on skype and I found out that you can check when a message was edited, by downloading your messages from here:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34894/how-do-i-export-my-skype-files-and-chat-history
Oh, what a surprise I can confirm now, that he changed the message afterwards...
Code:
{
"id": "1610573794814",
"displayName": null,
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:36:34.685Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573794814.0,
"content": "Already 6 confirmations",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e",
"properties": null,
"amsreferences": null
},
{
"id": "1610573352373",
"displayName": "vareole",
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:29:07.76Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573785549.0,
"content": "0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"properties": {
"edittime": "1610573785033"
},
"amsreferences": null
},
So there you can see he sent the original message at 21:29 and changed it at 21:36."id": "1610573794814",
"displayName": null,
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:36:34.685Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573794814.0,
"content": "Already 6 confirmations",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e",
"properties": null,
"amsreferences": null
},
{
"id": "1610573352373",
"displayName": "vareole",
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:29:07.76Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573785549.0,
"content": "0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"properties": {
"edittime": "1610573785033"
},
"amsreferences": null
},
If we look now when I sent my message "Is sending".
Code:
{
"id": "1610573692204",
"displayName": null,
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:34:52.091Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573692204.0,
"content": "Is sending",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e",
"properties": null,
"amsreferences": null
},
As you can see I sent it at 21:34. That means he changed his message afterwards."id": "1610573692204",
"displayName": null,
"originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:34:52.091Z",
"messagetype": "RichText",
"version": 1610573692204.0,
"content": "Is sending",
"conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
"from": "8:live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e",
"properties": null,
"amsreferences": null
},
I can send a moderator the skype download link to proof that I've not changed something, but I will not publish this here publicly because there are all of the other messages in there too.
Did this happen today, or yesterday?
This happend yesterday, on the 13th of January.
He also scammed me. I lost 110€. 
You can see our chat here: https://imgur.com/a/xJBZhEx
He changed the message with the address after I sent him the money (you can see this by the pencil besides the message).
His excuse that he sent me a bitcoin address is totally wrong. I know how a bitcoin address looks like and my wallet wouldn't let me send eth to a btc address.
Please flag him. He will scam a lot more people if you don't do it.
You can see our chat here: https://imgur.com/a/xJBZhEx
He changed the message with the address after I sent him the money (you can see this by the pencil besides the message).
His excuse that he sent me a bitcoin address is totally wrong. I know how a bitcoin address looks like and my wallet wouldn't let me send eth to a btc address.
Please flag him. He will scam a lot more people if you don't do it.