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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Thanks for those links, OneDay. V. useful information.
Look at the chart:
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/
I'm throwing everything into Dash, for both technical and fundamental reasons. I think Bitcoin is going way up.
Perhaps to $2.5Kwithin six months.
Dash will go up at least x12 within a few months of Evolution release, only if they can eliminate 'crypto' addresses in favor of "human readable addresses" and implement a plausible 'savings account' interest bearing account.
Just remember, this won't happen for about another year, right?
Right, Tante. Money invested now will be multiplied, money invested in about another year will not
You sound like you expect Dash Evolution to flop and not get any traction in adoption? It will probably take a few more years, but it will catch on IMO. Paypal didn't really exist until 2002, and by 2004, I was using all the time. Now it's beyond huge. I don't see why Dash won't be just as successful when we will have an amazingly easy to use interface.
The one thing that Paypal had that Dash currently doesn't, is a marketplace. It had Ebay. This is why I've wanted something like Open Bazaar, only run on masternodes, for the past 2 years, but it's too much, and it complicates things with Masternodes, so nobody wants to do that at this time. That's fine with me, I'm sure a solution will present itself at some point here.
So though I agree that money invested now will multiply, I don't agree that it won't continue to do so well into the future
Evolution does have a marketplace
It's the Apps section in the screens Amanda showed. An app is similar to a store in open bazaar, except you don't need to operate a p2p node to list/use one, you can do that through the decentralized API, in addition to moderated refunds there are other payment types too like recurring auto-pay for subscriptions. I remember when you suggested OB for Dash and was on the todo list and we found a way to do that and it's a logical progression of the system as soon as you introduce the concept of users and merchants at the protocol level tbh (or rather objects that are be configured to model users and merchants in Dash's higher tiers). The difference with OB is, Apps in Evolution are integrated to the Dash Network / blockchain via DashDrive, not a seperate p2p network on top of Dash, it also means any merchant / service / business that accepts Dash is listed in DashDrive (provided they use DAPI) so everyone can discover and access all Dash enabled services. It's always better to integrate services like this rather than try to run as a satellite p2p network which never seem to get good usage and have low node counts, to be fair this isn't possible in Bitcoin though which is an understandably conservative project in terms of protocol innovation due to the existing traction and comparatively large market size.
Super cool!
Is the Dash Evolution a open source? Everybody can deploy Evolution code on his website or we can only use Evolution on Dash.org?
Thank you,
Yes everything in Dash is always open source, and Evo code can be deployed on any website. There is really nothing special about dash.org apart from it's run by the core team and using the domain the network purchased. We will add an Evolution signup to dash.org when it's released, but any site can add this by just hooking into the https api the MN network will be hosting.
Excellent! What's the requirements to run Evolution website?
On the frontend, it's just JavaScript, on the backend, just include a DashPay library in your server-side code, which will connect to DAPI automatically in the same way you integrate Stripe with a library that speaks to their servers. The lib can connect to a local fullnode too if required.
For the Alpha we will release the DashPay lib for Node JS servers but we can add PHP, Ruby, Python, Java etc later or maybe people in the community will build those sooner.
For the website users, the minimum browser version requirements depend on the type of application. Anything that needs cryptographically strong random number generation or SPV, like wallets or signup portals, will need at least these versions:
Firefox 21 (2013)
Chrome 11 (2011)
Tor Browser v3.6 (2014)
IE 11 (Oct 2013)
Edge 12 ( 2015)
Safari 6.1 (2013)
Opera 15 (2013)
iOS 7.1 Safari (2014)
Android 4.4 Browser (2013)
But the bulk of the applications, like a merchant checkout or social plugin, don't actually need these features on the frontend, so old browsers will be fine, probably going back to IE6. Also, most Evo wallet users would probably be on native mobile we would think, but it's good to have a web option for that.
Sound interesting!
Does it means all the applications on app store are running on decentralized masternodes and the backend web server only interact with DAPI and the backend web server does not need a database?
All user information, user wallet, and application data... stores and retrieves by DAPI?
Thank you,
Hi there, a few people have asked similar questions on DF/Slack so let me clarify:
The term 'App' in the Evolution marketplace really means 'Merchant listing' or any entity that is providing a paid service, and it's a listing rather than a traditional App that you install (although this term was chosen because in future we can implement more in this area..) But Apps don't run on Masternodes, they are really data structures stored in DashDrive
So if you are an e-commerce Merchant, a POS retailer, a game developer, a vending machine operator or a masternode hosting service, when you signup an 'App' in DAPI you get an API key and then you can enable payments within your webstore, game, app, soda machine or whatever software / hardware you are selling through, by linking the DashPay lib into your source code then using it like a traditional payment API (e.g. Stripe).
The data DAPI will store for your app is just your basic listing info, a list of product SKUs (if you want), and a list of Orders which are raised by Dash users from your checkout.
So...yes you could implement a basic (e.g.) webstore without your own database and just rely on your App, product and order listings from DAPI, which relates to existing Dash users also in DAPI. This wouldnt be enough for a full-blown e-commerce pipeline, but it would be fine for e.g. buying content in a game or e.g. monetizing user generated content in a social plugin where the app provider just wants to see basic billing / customer info. This is a big advantage, because integrating crypto is so complicated for most businesses right now its one of the reasons they won't touch it.
A few other points - all of this is fee based, so every time an object is created / updated in DashDrive there is a small fee (but much smaller than TX fees because the data is smaller and it's also sharded in storage on MNs).
Also, Masternodes don't serve any code or content, DAPI is purely an API service.
We have a paper internally at RFC stage we should release next month that should explain it a lot better than me posting a few things here
Andy
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Thanks for those links, OneDay. V. useful information.
Look at the chart:
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/
I'm throwing everything into Dash, for both technical and fundamental reasons. I think Bitcoin is going way up.
Perhaps to $2.5Kwithin six months.
Dash will go up at least x12 within a few months of Evolution release, only if they can eliminate 'crypto' addresses in favor of "human readable addresses" and implement a plausible 'savings account' interest bearing account.
Just remember, this won't happen for about another year, right?
Right, Tante. Money invested now will be multiplied, money invested in about another year will not
You sound like you expect Dash Evolution to flop and not get any traction in adoption? It will probably take a few more years, but it will catch on IMO. Paypal didn't really exist until 2002, and by 2004, I was using all the time. Now it's beyond huge. I don't see why Dash won't be just as successful when we will have an amazingly easy to use interface.
The one thing that Paypal had that Dash currently doesn't, is a marketplace. It had Ebay. This is why I've wanted something like Open Bazaar, only run on masternodes, for the past 2 years, but it's too much, and it complicates things with Masternodes, so nobody wants to do that at this time. That's fine with me, I'm sure a solution will present itself at some point here.
So though I agree that money invested now will multiply, I don't agree that it won't continue to do so well into the future
Evolution does have a marketplace
It's the Apps section in the screens Amanda showed. An app is similar to a store in open bazaar, except you don't need to operate a p2p node to list/use one, you can do that through the decentralized API, in addition to moderated refunds there are other payment types too like recurring auto-pay for subscriptions. I remember when you suggested OB for Dash and was on the todo list and we found a way to do that and it's a logical progression of the system as soon as you introduce the concept of users and merchants at the protocol level tbh (or rather objects that are be configured to model users and merchants in Dash's higher tiers). The difference with OB is, Apps in Evolution are integrated to the Dash Network / blockchain via DashDrive, not a seperate p2p network on top of Dash, it also means any merchant / service / business that accepts Dash is listed in DashDrive (provided they use DAPI) so everyone can discover and access all Dash enabled services. It's always better to integrate services like this rather than try to run as a satellite p2p network which never seem to get good usage and have low node counts, to be fair this isn't possible in Bitcoin though which is an understandably conservative project in terms of protocol innovation due to the existing traction and comparatively large market size.
Super cool!
Is the Dash Evolution a open source? Everybody can deploy Evolution code on his website or we can only use Evolution on Dash.org?
Thank you,
Yes everything in Dash is always open source, and Evo code can be deployed on any website. There is really nothing special about dash.org apart from it's run by the core team and using the domain the network purchased. We will add an Evolution signup to dash.org when it's released, but any site can add this by just hooking into the https api the MN network will be hosting.
Excellent! What's the requirements to run Evolution website?
On the frontend, it's just JavaScript, on the backend, just include a DashPay library in your server-side code, which will connect to DAPI automatically in the same way you integrate Stripe with a library that speaks to their servers. The lib can connect to a local fullnode too if required.
For the Alpha we will release the DashPay lib for Node JS servers but we can add PHP, Ruby, Python, Java etc later or maybe people in the community will build those sooner.
For the website users, the minimum browser version requirements depend on the type of application. Anything that needs cryptographically strong random number generation or SPV, like wallets or signup portals, will need at least these versions:
Firefox 21 (2013)
Chrome 11 (2011)
Tor Browser v3.6 (2014)
IE 11 (Oct 2013)
Edge 12 ( 2015)
Safari 6.1 (2013)
Opera 15 (2013)
iOS 7.1 Safari (2014)
Android 4.4 Browser (2013)
But the bulk of the applications, like a merchant checkout or social plugin, don't actually need these features on the frontend, so old browsers will be fine, probably going back to IE6. Also, most Evo wallet users would probably be on native mobile we would think, but it's good to have a web option for that.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Super cool!
Is the Dash Evolution a open source? Everybody can deploy Evolution code on his website or we can only use Evolution on Dash.org?
Thank you,
Well, Evolution works with the Masternode network. Dash+Evolution, when it's out, can be cloned however, Masternodes are very expensive, and to create enough MN to have a chance at flubbing up the system is pretty much impossible now. If you start a clone, you have to build your network and value from scratch. This would be very difficult, though there are at least a couple of clones trying to do so. They will have to be talented enough to upgrade with Dash when new code comes out as well though??
As far as deploying Evolution, that's the cool thing. A web developer or anyone who wants to use Evolution will be able to tap into the network via the DAPI (distributed API) which will allow for all kinds of useful functions I can't even imagine myself because we're hitting the limits of my mind now, LOL. But basically, the way people make charts from exchange's API, you'll be able to make charts based on the Dash network. How many transactions per day, I dunno, whatever is of interest.
The cool thing about the DAPI is that it's completely decentralized and random access to the network itself. You can trust what is quarried as if you are running a full node yourself without running a node, without keeping a copy of the blockchain, etc... I don't think people realize how amazing this is
"But basically, the way people make charts from exchange's API, you'll be able to make charts based on the Dash network. How many transactions per day, I dunno, whatever is of interest. "
this block explorer example is probably a good way to show how the Evolution architecture works differently to the way crypto is working currently - right now to setup a block explorer you need to a) host your own node b) implement middleware that connects your webserver to your fullnode via RPC (e.g. Bitcore-node) c) implement a frontend (e.g. Insight) that can query / search / display blocks and transaction info, and update as your fullnode detects new transactions / blocks, and relay this between your fullnode, your server and your end-user's client. d) host that infrastructure/site 24/7 for end-users and hope none of the various components you had to setup goes down.
...so currently blockexplorer users are dependent on the permission and availability of a centralized intermediary to host essentially a middleware service that lets you (a web user) connect to Dash (an RPC based P2P network) and you also have to trust the information you are getting (and this applies not just to block explorers but to basically any end-user access by web/mobile users, outside of mobile SPV wallets, which require an intermediary server but don't require as much trust to validate the data)
In Evolution, to create a block explorer,you can just cut and paste some Javascript into a web page on the client side, that calls DAPI over HTTPS and retrieves the block/tx info, and gets a callback (via websockets or polling) when new blocks are committed to the chain. If you want the least level of trust you can use multiple Masternodes and validate the data using SPV too. You can even download the HTML page and run it from your desktop so there is no server required to initially download the page each time you want to access it. Plus the data will be far more rich/informative, instead of just transactions and blocks, you can see new signups, purchases, ratings, proposals, votes, new apps and products added, etc
Then that philosophy is extended to basically all end-user services, whether you a merchant, paying customer, digial content producer / consumer, it's about ease of access then that provides the ease of use that should help remove the friction for mainstream traction.
I've got a question with regards to the Dash network's dependancy on centralised Domain Registration and DNS services... How susceptible would the dash network be to something like big government intervention through switching off our dash.org domain?
How much will on-ramps to the Evolution platform depend on Domain and DNS being available? I understand that this problem is no different for any other global company and if big Govt. really wanted to it could switch off a domain.
Just thought I'd throw the question out there!
Cheers
Walter
Currently the Dash network isn't really affected by switching off dash.org, apart from it's function as an official entry point for new users and for education, news, marketing etc. That's because Dash is a P2P network where nodes/masternodes can come and go and that's all IP based. Where the DNS comes in is in the DNS seeds that nodes use on startup, which are services some people setup to return a bunch of IPs of known nodes that new nodes can connect to to enter the p2p network, and the DNS addresses of a bunch of seeds are hardcoded in the QT wallet. Each DNS seed can be shutdown by killing the DNS entry, but then users can make new ones pretty quick and end-users can enter these into their node config or failing that just enter IPs. Same process as Bitcoin.
With Evolution, we will use the same kind of system. On a webpage, there's actually a JavaScript lib that the page will include that does all the heavy lifting internally, from connecting to the MN network through to SPV through to handling users / payments, then from the webpage or a server on the site's backend, the lib is abstracted and works like exiting payment libs e.g. Stripe from an implementation perspective - so, inside that lib, we are planning to use DNS seeds in the same way. Then, even if all the seeds are shut down, you just need to enter one IP of a known Masternode and the client can go from there.
Forgot the main thing...actually Evolution will be less susceptible to censorship purely because it's HTTP based - it's a lot easier for governments to block non-standard ports/protocols e.g. for p2p usage, even a lot of organizations block non HTTP traffic (that means your browser and mobile app will still connect, but anything not on port 80/443 is blocked). But if you connect directly to the Dash p2p network using HTTPS over port 443 to an IP, censors have no way to block you without blocking every site and service they don't want to censor. Of course they could block the MN IPs, but as it's a p2p network where you can move a masternode in a short time, it wouldn't be a very effective censorship method, and there are ways we can prevent that too.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Super cool!
Is the Dash Evolution a open source? Everybody can deploy Evolution code on his website or we can only use Evolution on Dash.org?
Thank you,
Well, Evolution works with the Masternode network. Dash+Evolution, when it's out, can be cloned however, Masternodes are very expensive, and to create enough MN to have a chance at flubbing up the system is pretty much impossible now. If you start a clone, you have to build your network and value from scratch. This would be very difficult, though there are at least a couple of clones trying to do so. They will have to be talented enough to upgrade with Dash when new code comes out as well though??
As far as deploying Evolution, that's the cool thing. A web developer or anyone who wants to use Evolution will be able to tap into the network via the DAPI (distributed API) which will allow for all kinds of useful functions I can't even imagine myself because we're hitting the limits of my mind now, LOL. But basically, the way people make charts from exchange's API, you'll be able to make charts based on the Dash network. How many transactions per day, I dunno, whatever is of interest.
The cool thing about the DAPI is that it's completely decentralized and random access to the network itself. You can trust what is quarried as if you are running a full node yourself without running a node, without keeping a copy of the blockchain, etc... I don't think people realize how amazing this is
"But basically, the way people make charts from exchange's API, you'll be able to make charts based on the Dash network. How many transactions per day, I dunno, whatever is of interest. "
this block explorer example is probably a good way to show how the Evolution architecture works differently to the way crypto is working currently - right now to setup a block explorer you need to a) host your own node b) implement middleware that connects your webserver to your fullnode via RPC (e.g. Bitcore-node) c) implement a frontend (e.g. Insight) that can query / search / display blocks and transaction info, and update as your fullnode detects new transactions / blocks, and relay this between your fullnode, your server and your end-user's client. d) host that infrastructure/site 24/7 for end-users and hope none of the various components you had to setup goes down.
...so currently blockexplorer users are dependent on the permission and availability of a centralized intermediary to host essentially a middleware service that lets you (a web user) connect to Dash (an RPC based P2P network) and you also have to trust the information you are getting (and this applies not just to block explorers but to basically any end-user access by web/mobile users, outside of mobile SPV wallets, which require an intermediary server but don't require as much trust to validate the data)
In Evolution, to create a block explorer,you can just cut and paste some Javascript into a web page on the client side, that calls DAPI over HTTPS and retrieves the block/tx info, and gets a callback (via websockets or polling) when new blocks are committed to the chain. If you want the least level of trust you can use multiple Masternodes and validate the data using SPV too. You can even download the HTML page and run it from your desktop so there is no server required to initially download the page each time you want to access it. Plus the data will be far more rich/informative, instead of just transactions and blocks, you can see new signups, purchases, ratings, proposals, votes, new apps and products added, etc
Then that philosophy is extended to basically all end-user services, whether you a merchant, paying customer, digial content producer / consumer, it's about ease of access then that provides the ease of use that should help remove the friction for mainstream traction.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Thanks for those links, OneDay. V. useful information.
Look at the chart:
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/
I'm throwing everything into Dash, for both technical and fundamental reasons. I think Bitcoin is going way up.
Perhaps to $2.5Kwithin six months.
Dash will go up at least x12 within a few months of Evolution release, only if they can eliminate 'crypto' addresses in favor of "human readable addresses" and implement a plausible 'savings account' interest bearing account.
Just remember, this won't happen for about another year, right?
Right, Tante. Money invested now will be multiplied, money invested in about another year will not
You sound like you expect Dash Evolution to flop and not get any traction in adoption? It will probably take a few more years, but it will catch on IMO. Paypal didn't really exist until 2002, and by 2004, I was using all the time. Now it's beyond huge. I don't see why Dash won't be just as successful when we will have an amazingly easy to use interface.
The one thing that Paypal had that Dash currently doesn't, is a marketplace. It had Ebay. This is why I've wanted something like Open Bazaar, only run on masternodes, for the past 2 years, but it's too much, and it complicates things with Masternodes, so nobody wants to do that at this time. That's fine with me, I'm sure a solution will present itself at some point here.
So though I agree that money invested now will multiply, I don't agree that it won't continue to do so well into the future
Evolution does have a marketplace
It's the Apps section in the screens Amanda showed. An app is similar to a store in open bazaar, except you don't need to operate a p2p node to list/use one, you can do that through the decentralized API, in addition to moderated refunds there are other payment types too like recurring auto-pay for subscriptions. I remember when you suggested OB for Dash and was on the todo list and we found a way to do that and it's a logical progression of the system as soon as you introduce the concept of users and merchants at the protocol level tbh (or rather objects that are be configured to model users and merchants in Dash's higher tiers). The difference with OB is, Apps in Evolution are integrated to the Dash Network / blockchain via DashDrive, not a seperate p2p network on top of Dash, it also means any merchant / service / business that accepts Dash is listed in DashDrive (provided they use DAPI) so everyone can discover and access all Dash enabled services. It's always better to integrate services like this rather than try to run as a satellite p2p network which never seem to get good usage and have low node counts, to be fair this isn't possible in Bitcoin though which is an understandably conservative project in terms of protocol innovation due to the existing traction and comparatively large market size.
Super cool!
Is the Dash Evolution a open source? Everybody can deploy Evolution code on his website or we can only use Evolution on Dash.org?
Thank you,
Yes everything in Dash is always open source, and Evo code can be deployed on any website. There is really nothing special about dash.org apart from it's run by the core team and using the domain the network purchased. We will add an Evolution signup to dash.org when it's released, but any site can add this by just hooking into the https api the MN network will be hosting.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Thanks for those links, OneDay. V. useful information.
Look at the chart:
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/
I'm throwing everything into Dash, for both technical and fundamental reasons. I think Bitcoin is going way up.
Perhaps to $2.5Kwithin six months.
Dash will go up at least x12 within a few months of Evolution release, only if they can eliminate 'crypto' addresses in favor of "human readable addresses" and implement a plausible 'savings account' interest bearing account.
Just remember, this won't happen for about another year, right?
Right, Tante. Money invested now will be multiplied, money invested in about another year will not
You sound like you expect Dash Evolution to flop and not get any traction in adoption? It will probably take a few more years, but it will catch on IMO. Paypal didn't really exist until 2002, and by 2004, I was using all the time. Now it's beyond huge. I don't see why Dash won't be just as successful when we will have an amazingly easy to use interface.
The one thing that Paypal had that Dash currently doesn't, is a marketplace. It had Ebay. This is why I've wanted something like Open Bazaar, only run on masternodes, for the past 2 years, but it's too much, and it complicates things with Masternodes, so nobody wants to do that at this time. That's fine with me, I'm sure a solution will present itself at some point here.
So though I agree that money invested now will multiply, I don't agree that it won't continue to do so well into the future
Evolution does have a marketplace
It's the Apps section in the screens Amanda showed. An app is similar to a store in open bazaar, except you don't need to operate a p2p node to list/use one, you can do that through the decentralized API, in addition to moderated refunds there are other payment types too like recurring auto-pay for subscriptions. I remember when you suggested OB for Dash and was on the todo list and we found a way to do that and it's a logical progression of the system as soon as you introduce the concept of users and merchants at the protocol level tbh (or rather objects that are be configured to model users and merchants in Dash's higher tiers). The difference with OB is, Apps in Evolution are integrated to the Dash Network / blockchain via DashDrive, not a seperate p2p network on top of Dash, it also means any merchant / service / business that accepts Dash is listed in DashDrive (provided they use DAPI) so everyone can discover and access all Dash enabled services. It's always better to integrate services like this rather than try to run as a satellite p2p network which never seem to get good usage and have low node counts, to be fair this isn't possible in Bitcoin though which is an understandably conservative project in terms of protocol innovation due to the existing traction and comparatively large market size.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Dream big my mom used to tell me
The market for this level of privacy in infinitesimally small. Let's leave it to XMR, ZCash and the hordes of wannabees.
In seven years BTC has garnered a very small number of users. The primary reason is its difficulty.
Here's an interesting article on the computer skills of the general population:
https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/
This is why Evolution is the only path to the big dream of cryptocurrency.
interesting article, thanks. It illustrates the problem we are trying to solve with Evolution, to give trustless/decentralized access to digital cash for non-technical users, e.g. level 1-2 users on that bar-chart, without having to leave their comfort zone in terms of understanding complex concepts or installing complex software and obviously not using any proxy / intermediary / permissioned service to do that. I would guess 99% of regular Bitcoin/Dash users are level 3 already but that group is only 5-8% of total potential users that have access to anything usable right now.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Ready to Shakepay ? 
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Debit+Cards
"Dash and BTC holders can now topup virtual or physical Shake Debit Cards and make purchases at any merchant accepting EUR and USD through the popular payments network. Once topped up, the Shake Debit Card lets users spend their Dash while paying merchants in their preferred currency."
http://i.imgur.com/QpI89oI.png
Press:
http://coinjournal.net/bitcoin-debit-card-shake-dash/
https://www.finextra.com/pressarticle/66541/digital-currency-dash-comes-to-shake-debit-cards
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Debit+Cards
"Dash and BTC holders can now topup virtual or physical Shake Debit Cards and make purchases at any merchant accepting EUR and USD through the popular payments network. Once topped up, the Shake Debit Card lets users spend their Dash while paying merchants in their preferred currency."
http://i.imgur.com/QpI89oI.png
Press:
http://coinjournal.net/bitcoin-debit-card-shake-dash/
https://www.finextra.com/pressarticle/66541/digital-currency-dash-comes-to-shake-debit-cards
Great, a cool card endorsed by the team ...and with a lovely logo!
Do you guys know the exgange rate for crypto, how much fiat I get loading 1 dash or 1btc?
I was looking up and down his web but I wasn't able to figure it out.
depositing 20 EUR just now...
http://i.imgur.com/MrH4rhD.png
cost in Dash = 1.99248763
http://i.imgur.com/Kf3FZXG.png
Based on the current Dash price on Coinmarketcap @ EUR10.48, total markup after conversion and fees was ~4.2%
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Ready to Shakepay ?
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Debit+Cards
"Dash and BTC holders can now topup virtual or physical Shake Debit Cards and make purchases at any merchant accepting EUR and USD through the popular payments network. Once topped up, the Shake Debit Card lets users spend their Dash while paying merchants in their preferred currency."
http://i.imgur.com/QpI89oI.png
Press:
http://coinjournal.net/bitcoin-debit-card-shake-dash/
https://www.finextra.com/pressarticle/66541/digital-currency-dash-comes-to-shake-debit-cards
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Debit+Cards
"Dash and BTC holders can now topup virtual or physical Shake Debit Cards and make purchases at any merchant accepting EUR and USD through the popular payments network. Once topped up, the Shake Debit Card lets users spend their Dash while paying merchants in their preferred currency."
http://i.imgur.com/QpI89oI.png
Press:
http://coinjournal.net/bitcoin-debit-card-shake-dash/
https://www.finextra.com/pressarticle/66541/digital-currency-dash-comes-to-shake-debit-cards
I'd just like to say i've been using Shake for around 2 months now and it is a great way to spend Dash anywhere that accepts Visa without having to go through Bitcoin or your bank.
You can top up your card on the Shake site with Instant Send and the funds clear immediately and I have successfully done a Dash -> Visa remittance with a merchant within around 20 seconds end to end. One caveat to this is last week they had some delays on the fiat processing side which they are working on as it is a beta service.
We've also built up a close relationship with Jean from Shake and his team and are working together to position Shake as a flagship merchant on Evolution when it is launched and building in some of the recommendations Jean has advised from a merchant perspective as we are also doing with ProtonMail.
Obviously Shake is a centralized service and requires trust for the amounts you deposit but this is a given whenever you need to go via a facility like Visa.
But if you have small amounts you wish to spend directly via Visa, I would highly recommend Shake for Dash users, and ultimately we would like lots of services like Shake plugged into Evolution that are in competition to provide a reliable service and you can access / top up direct from your wallet.
Andy
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
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http://i.imgur.com/nGcsyOb.jpg
Ready to hang on the wall
Unique painting with certificate
Summer SALE ,
NOW 100 USD
http://i.imgur.com/nGcsyOb.jpg
I'll take that...do you accept Dash?
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
OMG I can't believe they're planning a hardfork to "unsteal" the loot.
Thats the deathnell for any coin. But what are they forking - just the DAO ?
It's certainly not 'autonomous' if someone used its rules to pay them self and then humans come in and reverse that.
It's not self-governing at that point.
DAO gets worse:
The DAO will be winded down completely and transformed into a simple contract where you can only withdraw. Its shutting down but as no ether was stolen and no ether was spent, nothing was lost.
The original DAO is still going strong http://dashvotetracker.com/
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
OMG I can't believe they're planning a hardfork to "unsteal" the loot.
Thats the deathnell for any coin. But what are they forking - just the DAO ?
It's certainly not 'autonomous' if someone used its rules to pay them self and then humans come in and reverse that.
It's not self-governing at that point.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
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Doesn't that mean ASICs caused decentralization in our case? (temporarily anyway... I don't think this will last forever. The incentives are prone to cause centralization in the end, we're working on that problem as well)
Doesn't that mean ASICs caused decentralization in our case?
(temporarily anyway... I don't think this will last forever. The incentives are prone to cause centralization in the end, we're working on that problem as well) I am far from convinced that the kind of mining concentration in China that occurred in Bitcoin after the introduction of ASICS will repeat itself in Dash. This is because the latency introduced by the Great Firewall of China around 500 ms has a much greater impact on a coin with a 2.5 min blocktime than on a coin with a 10 min blocktime. Furthermore DASH has an effective blocksize 4x that of Bitcoin and the Chinese Bitcoin miners are fighting any significant increase in the Bitcoin blocksize because of the Great Firewall of China. The impact of ASICS on Dash have implications for many POW coins with block times in the 2 - 2.5 min range
My understanding is it's packet loss and bandwidth that's the issue for data transmission with China not network latency so wouldn't it be block size and not block time that's the issue? Plus the cause is bottlenecks on the Chinese backbone then bottlenecks in regions you have to cross to get into Asia Pac which also depends which direction you're coming from and isn't unique to China. It's annoying that people in Bitcoin are using the term 'great firewall' as that refers to censorship hardware and not the infrastructure problems relevant to block propagation, it's also diverting from the fact that the same hardware is now appearing in 'western' countries too, UK and Australia have their own "great firewalls" but transmission throughput is fine.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Out of interest, why do whales receive more coins which lets them setup more masternodes? If I own 1 masternode or 10, my share of the supply is increasing at the same rate. Do you mean the whales can get the next node faster? But i can just put the difference into a shared service and take a 20% hit which is not much different?
There's faster compounding interest for whales since the wait time to setup the next MN is shorter. Yes, in theory one can use a fractional MN service to improve returns. In practice I bet it's not done very often due to needing to trust the MN hosting counterparty. And the 20% hit eats returns a little bit. OK yep that's what I thought then. I do that through Splawik21 which reminds me he asked me to give feedback which I can confirm has been all good
I never used Node40 but I do know that Perry and Sean behind it regularly add tons of value in different ways from code to connections and are at the front in terms of innovation in our ecosystem. I don't see it as a real problem then outside of the counterparty risk and loss of 20% profit on the coins not in your own node, besides MNs are just service providers adding value to the network. Without them, no decentralized services, we couldn't think of Evolution either. Miners are the same, if the quantity of miners and hashrate was hypothetically static and they all invested rewards for securing the network in new hardware, their % of the rewards would stay the same too.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
DASH has some serious competitors...like LISK, WAVES, DECRED and ETH. What's your opinion?
Since you asked, I'll give my 2 cents. (Pardon spamming the Dash thread here but I'll try to stay brief).1. Lisk is a total wildcard. On the one hand, making blockchain apps easier to write via Javascript could be huge for attracting talented developers. OTOH, they are using delegated proof of stake (DPoS), which is crap because it promotes an incestuous insiders club. Delegate #101 gets a full subsidy with his 100 other buddies. Delegate #102 gets a big fat zero.
2. Waves has great potential and I think Sasha will deliver everything promised. But, the question is, will it matter? To what extent can it attract end users? How to foment the 'animal spirits' that compel long term investors, developers, and users to action? I'm afraid, due to it being a pure proof of stake system, with all coins already out with no long term subsidy, it may follow the same rise and fall as NXT.
3. Decred. I'm still learning about this one. On the plus side, lots of effort has gone into making Decred a full DAO. I do like that it's mineable. I do like that they have a hybrid PoW/PoS system somewhat similar to DASH. I don't like the fact that 10% of the mining subsidy goes to a centralized foundation, "Decred Holdings Group, LLC (DHG), a Nevis-based organization" according to their wiki. They need to fix this and make passing proposals payable to developers directly from the blockchain.
4. ETH. Where the party's at, apparently. I think they are making a mistake to move PoW operations to PoS. Once again, moving from 'wild mining', as camosoul puts it, exclusively to an insider's club of staking whales, is a fast way to kill a lot of interest in your economy. DASH has a little bit of the 'staking whale' problem too (where whales receive more coins which lets them setup more masternodes to receive more coins), but the concentration is less because 55% of the subsidy goes elsewhere i.e. to miners and developers.
Out of interest, why do whales receive more coins which lets them setup more masternodes? If I own 1 masternode or 10, my share of the supply is increasing at the same rate. Do you mean the whales can get the next node faster? But i can just put the difference into a shared service and take a 20% hit which is not much different?
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
DASH has some serious competitors...like LISK, WAVES, DECRED and ETH. What's your opinion?
I don't know most of those projects but from what i've seen there are very few serious dev teams in cryptocurrencies. Bitcoin is one, Ethereum is another, although neither is in our market (macro payments / programmable transaction contracts).
Our market is user's who want digital cash; money you can spend online/instore from any device without an intermediary. Implicit to that is users not having to wait or identify themselves if they don't want to which we have already and also not having to learn anything weird or go outside their comfort zone (easy to use).
The goal sounds simple but there is a lot needed behind that and I haven't seen anything even trying yet (anything p2p that is...there are lots of currencies sending coins through some guys server and calling it decentralized or private but these obviously don't wash with mainstream users who are sticking with much better equivalents like PayPal/Google/Apple pay/Visa that are more convenient to use)
I would be interested if any other projects are aiming for our market too, if they are serious we could work together or learn / help each other. But I haven't seen any, apart from some awesome Bitcoin ecosystem innovators who's work has become really valuable for us to build on, but they're all stuck in Bitcoin, who's current dev team will never make the changes necessary to achieve a decentralized ecosystem and really let crypto take off - ours does though
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Trying to access Dash api at https://explorer.dash.org/q via javascript gives me Cross Origin Block error. Do anyone of you know any Dash api that works with js?
I think its not possible and not wanted to access files, that are not located on your own server, via javascript. Thats not a problem with this particular API, it's javascript in general.
I access the api with a PHP file and open this file with javascript. Works fine.
Js has this limitation, but it can be overwritten by API server settings.
Dash is one of the few altcoins for which I cannot find a public API that works with Javascript. This means that you cannot do a hybrid mobile application (in cordova framework in my case) involving Dash in general. That's not a good thing for an altcoin's ecosystem I think.
Sounds like the server isn't setup for cross-origin resource sharing because I think Cordova XHR requests are already setup for CORS so it should 'just work' from your client side.
We're building a decentralized REST API for Dash Evolution hosted by the Masternode network you can call from JavaScript that will be accessible at api.dash.org, right now not sure of any public Dash APIs although maybe one of the other devs on DashTalk can answer better.
I'll have a look at enabling CORS for explorer.dash.org
edit: @borntorun: I have enabled CORS now, please try your JS code again
great, works for me: https://gist.github.com/andyfreer/b742c3cf901a1e54aa4f993efa6bbe96
EDIT: there is also a live Dash Insight API from UdjinM6 that's powering the transaction visualizer http://listen.masternode.io, the API endpoint at http://insight.masternode.io:3000/. Insight is the BitPay block explorer api: https://insight.is/
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
We're building a decentralized REST API for Dash Evolution hosted by the Masternode network you can call from JavaScript that will be accessible at api.dash.org
That sounds awsome.
Even zerohedge is getting impatient now.
http://i.imgur.com/ppeIobv.png
I think it's relevant because if there was more authoritarian control and govs decided to restrict crypto online, it's not hard for them to shut down any centralized web services like BitPay and Shapeshift or the bulk of most cryptocurrency ecosystems. But an HTTP API powered by a P2P network means there's no single point you can turn off and it's on 24/7 and accessible from any device. No disrespect meant to those projects, BitPay especially have created some awesome tech like Bitcore which we are using in DAPI.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Trying to access Dash api at https://explorer.dash.org/q via javascript gives me Cross Origin Block error. Do anyone of you know any Dash api that works with js?
I think its not possible and not wanted to access files, that are not located on your own server, via javascript. Thats not a problem with this particular API, it's javascript in general.
I access the api with a PHP file and open this file with javascript. Works fine.
Js has this limitation, but it can be overwritten by API server settings.
Dash is one of the few altcoins for which I cannot find a public API that works with Javascript. This means that you cannot do a hybrid mobile application (in cordova framework in my case) involving Dash in general. That's not a good thing for an altcoin's ecosystem I think.
Sounds like the server isn't setup for cross-origin resource sharing because I think Cordova XHR requests are already setup for CORS so it should 'just work' from your client side.
We're building a decentralized REST API for Dash Evolution hosted by the Masternode network you can call from JavaScript that will be accessible at api.dash.org, right now not sure of any public Dash APIs although maybe one of the other devs on DashTalk can answer better.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
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I knew I should've added the smiley.
Lol, yep I knew I should've added the smiley.
Kind of ridiculous to imagine really, there's some kind of logic in it but this is Dash and incompetents like that wouldn't stay on the payrole for long Aww, can't we get Evan in the funky hat? Or the anonymous silhouette dude in the funky hat, might give the wrong idea though.
That's Brunel!
