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the first place i would be going is the local or federal authorities. detective or agent.
no point in starting a suit when you could be in the courts when suddenly, feds rage in and drag him out in cuffs.
then your case gets adjourned for 6 months while they butt rape him.
no point in starting a suit when you could be in the courts when suddenly, feds rage in and drag him out in cuffs.
then your case gets adjourned for 6 months while they butt rape him.
Yes, you have the right to say anything you want within the rules of these forums. It does not matter whether or not your statements are posted in the New York Times or on these forums. Should the preponderance of evidence show that your comments (proven false by delivery of product) caused harm to BFL, then under civil law BFL has the right to file a tort against you. Would they? Depends on their mood I guess.
This goes back to yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire.
This goes back to yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire.
Not the same thing at all and I won't even waste my time explaining why. You either get it or you don't.
A lawsuit from BFL would be the biggest oxymoron ever considering what they got coming.
for us folk that know business law. this is the greatest post EVER!!
Take a step back and consider some of the vitriol being posted on various forums. It is one thing to write truthfully about your experiences with BFL, observations tied to those experiences, or those based on research of personalities/history of the company. Some of what I am seeing here is a different matter altogether and could land some posters in legal hot water.
Disclaimer: My company and I do not have a dog in this fight as we have elected to go elsewhere with our resources after our conversation with BFL's Dave. We play by the rules and expect everyone else to do so as well.
These are some of the red flags we see:
Ethics of this company has been called into question over business practices.
Our company found BFL to be in willful violation of state law and as a result may be playing fast and loose with others laws.
The company does a poor job on its public relations.
The delays, regardless of reason why, are wearing thin on the public and those that have pre-ordered.
The time period from when the order was placed to actual delivery of ordered product is considered by many an opportunity cost that can't be made up.
The violation with the law is with the collection of sales in the state of Kansas. Regardless of how your company conducts its business transactions, a physical presence in Kansas requires you to collect sales tax from any individuals and business entities physically present in the state of Kansas as well. Conducting online sales only does not preclude a business entity from collecting sales tax from customers physically present in Kansas as the Supreme Court decision, Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, has been extended to online retailers as well. Forming said business in a different state does not exempt you from this either as the law very clearly mentions 'physical' presence. Given the nature of product being sold by BFL, exemption from collecting this sales tax from entities physically present in Kansas, as defined by Exception Certificates Pub KS-1520 coupled with KS-1510, Kansas Sales and Compensating Use Tax, is not possible as it is a finished product destined for end use by the consumer and does not fall within the several tax exempt product categories defined in these publications.
There are fines w/penalties and interest and possible jail time in the state of Kansas under KSA 79-3615 in regards to this violation. Worse case scenario would be the suspension of online sales until BFL incorporates a sales tax collection system into their online store in addition penalties listed under KSA 79-3615
Now ignoring what we have found so far, this violation would only inconvenience BFL at best.
Should BFL pull through and deliver their products to the masses hence fullfilling their legal obligation in these commercial transactions, those that have been blasting BFL with SCAM this or SCAM without any basis in fact could then find themselves on the receiving end of a libel suit.
Disclaimer: My company and I do not have a dog in this fight as we have elected to go elsewhere with our resources after our conversation with BFL's Dave. We play by the rules and expect everyone else to do so as well.
These are some of the red flags we see:
Ethics of this company has been called into question over business practices.
Our company found BFL to be in willful violation of state law and as a result may be playing fast and loose with others laws.
The company does a poor job on its public relations.
The delays, regardless of reason why, are wearing thin on the public and those that have pre-ordered.
The time period from when the order was placed to actual delivery of ordered product is considered by many an opportunity cost that can't be made up.
The violation with the law is with the collection of sales in the state of Kansas. Regardless of how your company conducts its business transactions, a physical presence in Kansas requires you to collect sales tax from any individuals and business entities physically present in the state of Kansas as well. Conducting online sales only does not preclude a business entity from collecting sales tax from customers physically present in Kansas as the Supreme Court decision, Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, has been extended to online retailers as well. Forming said business in a different state does not exempt you from this either as the law very clearly mentions 'physical' presence. Given the nature of product being sold by BFL, exemption from collecting this sales tax from entities physically present in Kansas, as defined by Exception Certificates Pub KS-1520 coupled with KS-1510, Kansas Sales and Compensating Use Tax, is not possible as it is a finished product destined for end use by the consumer and does not fall within the several tax exempt product categories defined in these publications.
There are fines w/penalties and interest and possible jail time in the state of Kansas under KSA 79-3615 in regards to this violation. Worse case scenario would be the suspension of online sales until BFL incorporates a sales tax collection system into their online store in addition penalties listed under KSA 79-3615
Now ignoring what we have found so far, this violation would only inconvenience BFL at best.
Should BFL pull through and deliver their products to the masses hence fullfilling their legal obligation in these commercial transactions, those that have been blasting BFL with SCAM this or SCAM without any basis in fact could then find themselves on the receiving end of a libel suit.
the proof is in the pudding. as MooC quite rightly proved.
the fact they have illegally invested customers money into their company is one thing and (THAT IS FACT!!!) the speculative question (which is not really speculative at all when they admit that they will keep a percentage of the machines to prevent whatever...)
obviously they're going to be running these machines themselves which equates to embezzlement. earning off of someone elses money without their consent when the funds have passed hands for a limited agreement.
i LOL`d over their T&C`s after buying then sat there in my chair stunned by their FAQ`s.
GAINING ANY FUNDS THROUGH DECEPTION IN MY COUNTRY IS FRAUD.
and im pretty sure thats the definition globally.
Once the price of ASICs come down, it would be great to have people able to buy a TV box that they plug into their network and to the TV.
You would have a menu of potential TV shows and movies. When you select the show you want to watch, it sends your accumulated bitcoins to the bittorrent user that loaded up the torrent.
As people choose similar shows, the box can just queue up the next show that most people pick after the show you picked. So it would be like watching a full TV channel.
And by sending BTC to the uploaders, people will be encouraged to create their own content in exchange for BTC.
Sure, plenty of people would upload ripped movies and Hollywood TV shows, but Hollywood will become a thing of the past. New, decentralized content will be the wave of the future.
You would have a menu of potential TV shows and movies. When you select the show you want to watch, it sends your accumulated bitcoins to the bittorrent user that loaded up the torrent.
As people choose similar shows, the box can just queue up the next show that most people pick after the show you picked. So it would be like watching a full TV channel.
And by sending BTC to the uploaders, people will be encouraged to create their own content in exchange for BTC.
Sure, plenty of people would upload ripped movies and Hollywood TV shows, but Hollywood will become a thing of the past. New, decentralized content will be the wave of the future.
you`re talking about a private tracker rigged to a mining box. that would be cool indeed.
dude go back to your BFL desk... i think i hear your boyfriend josh calling.
Are you kidding... I WISH I was a BFL employee... they could use some better CRM for sure...
I know it hurts but it isn't me you are mad at... wooooooooooo..... sahhhhhhhhhhhh... try breathing a bit... maybe the stick will fall out and you will feel better?
welcome to the ignore list. 
Bfl is a big SCAM!!
Rough Translation:
WAHHHHH!!!!! WHERE IS MY AQUAPHOR!!!!! http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/aquaphor-healing-skin-ointment/ID=prod14801-product
i was a customer!!!
twat.
twat.
You too haha... You WERE a customer... I take it you got your refund? What else do you have to cry about then?
The insult just shows your level of incompetence...
dude go back to your BFL desk... i think i hear your boyfriend josh calling.
Funny to see all the hate towards BFL... all the scam claims...
Regardless of all the hype, bad PR, delays and accusations, there are Bitforce SCs in the wild now, multiple forum posts with pics, vids, stats, screenshots and mining pool stat pages showing consistently provable use of these miners.
If you bought in and then got a refund... stop crying you got out.
If you were never a customer, why do you care, also stop crying scam because YOU WEREN'T SCAMMED!
Everyone else who stayed the course, even through the delays, has every reason to be upset over this, but, they had the choice to purchase and to get refunded... so if you are still crying, just stop... it is pointless.
Don't you think if they were scamming us, there would already be an investigation? They had to send fiat overseas to pay the foundry to make the wafer pies... you don't move that much fiat without some regulatory group seeing it. Plus, they are a registered company here in the US... if there was significant proof of a scam, at this late in the game, and as public as the entire process to date has been, the government would already have them in their cross hairs.
Maybe i am off base here, or just blinded by my own pre-order... but you cry babies act like cutting edge technology is easy to make... and it isn't. Point blank, no other company at this level of technology has EVER been this public about their R&D... to me that speaks volumes for Josh and BFL, even if it feels like there is a lack of timely updates... microprocessors and new technology dont make progress every hour of every day... things take time to piece together and polish.
I for one have given BFL and Josh the benefit of the doubt... yes they blew their time frame and yes it has made our profits diminish... but they are not gone and only the greedy are butt hurt they cant pay their "investment" off like Jeff did in 9 days... mine will still pay off in 6 weeks even if I dont get it until July... I have no power costs so pure profit.
Regardless of all the hype, bad PR, delays and accusations, there are Bitforce SCs in the wild now, multiple forum posts with pics, vids, stats, screenshots and mining pool stat pages showing consistently provable use of these miners.
If you bought in and then got a refund... stop crying you got out.
If you were never a customer, why do you care, also stop crying scam because YOU WEREN'T SCAMMED!
Everyone else who stayed the course, even through the delays, has every reason to be upset over this, but, they had the choice to purchase and to get refunded... so if you are still crying, just stop... it is pointless.
Don't you think if they were scamming us, there would already be an investigation? They had to send fiat overseas to pay the foundry to make the wafer pies... you don't move that much fiat without some regulatory group seeing it. Plus, they are a registered company here in the US... if there was significant proof of a scam, at this late in the game, and as public as the entire process to date has been, the government would already have them in their cross hairs.
Maybe i am off base here, or just blinded by my own pre-order... but you cry babies act like cutting edge technology is easy to make... and it isn't. Point blank, no other company at this level of technology has EVER been this public about their R&D... to me that speaks volumes for Josh and BFL, even if it feels like there is a lack of timely updates... microprocessors and new technology dont make progress every hour of every day... things take time to piece together and polish.
I for one have given BFL and Josh the benefit of the doubt... yes they blew their time frame and yes it has made our profits diminish... but they are not gone and only the greedy are butt hurt they cant pay their "investment" off like Jeff did in 9 days... mine will still pay off in 6 weeks even if I dont get it until July... I have no power costs so pure profit.
pre-order cannot just ****ing magically turn into R&D from some guys company. you give companies the benefit of trust after they have taken your money by lies and (INVESTMENT)
this is a pre-order
NO R&D was stated, NO INVESTMENT of my funds into his company was anytime made clear.
i wouldnt mind if it was an actual PERSON instead of a company scam artist, making everything clear from the start.
and if im a baby you`re herp derp massive blah blah blah.
i was a customer!!!
twat.
mate this has been going on for year.
funds have been AND are being embezzled at the very least WAKE THE **** UP
proof? WHERE HAS EVERYONES MONEY BEEN GOING FOR A YEAR??
Mate, I don't feel your pain because I wouldn't be silly enough to pay for a product that didn't exist, but I can empathise: in the excitement of BTC a lot of people got caught up in the hype, and it's sad that you (and other people) thought it would be a good idea to put up money for some company to fund their R&D with. You guys bought into vaporware with the dreams of making big dollars mining BTC.funds have been AND are being embezzled at the very least WAKE THE **** UP
proof? WHERE HAS EVERYONES MONEY BEEN GOING FOR A YEAR?
?However sad that story might be, it's still not a scam just because you feel betrayed and cheated. Do you have actual evidence that someone at BFL is embezzling company funds? Because embezzlement is illegal, and if you have evidence -- actual evidence, and not just your hyperbolic tantrum ranting -- you should really hand it over to the relevant Government agency... after posting it here, of course.
i was a late comer, luckily and went to my bank to recover my funds.
i dont feel betrayed because my money is insured and the current lack of product with the promise of "soon... soon....soon" meanwhile money is being taken... speaks volumes about whats going on.
as for R&D.... i laugh.
It's not a scam until they've run off with the money. Until then, they're just terrible at business.
mate this has been going on for year.
funds have been AND are being embezzled at the very least WAKE THE **** UP
proof? WHERE HAS EVERYONES MONEY BEEN GOING FOR A YEAR?
?Quote from: Inaba
... retard ... idiot ... liar ... moron ... tool ... lowlife ...
Josh is to ASIC as Amy is to Bakery
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/k9l5-24-ad61.jpg
lol...lol...lol
PULL your money people ... NOW!!!
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c1jqd/butterfly_labs_may_be_scamming_us_all/
haha This shit keeps getting better. Check this out.
haha This shit keeps getting better. Check this out.
This was my first guess at what was/is going on, its so blatantly obvious.
makes no sense for them to ship right now when they can hash, then ship later.
they would be losing money by actually shipping now.
if you`ve been sitting there a full year, then yes... you may actually get a jelly out of em (by going mad) but as for anything else....
good ****ing luck.
this is NOT an investment. this is a product, an item which you buy from a company. whatever benefits you get from it are irrelevant, just as long as it works in the state which was promised at the time of sale.
an investment is a " i give you cash in exchange for more later, product or no product it doesnt matter "
the only investment going on is with your mind and the product. you cannot invest in a product alone.
thats called gambling.
The elephant in the room is; What is going on with the customers money ?
because there is a ton of laws which exist to prevent these companies doing what the hell they want with it and as far as i can see they are all being broken.
i know exactly what they are doing which is why i put a simple & reasonable question about where they were with delivery dates and got hit with a ban. went to my bank the next day to recover the funds.
predictions
the people that ordered this year will not see any product until next year. (the numbers just dont add up)
as previous followers have said the projected delivery dates have been changed multiple times. which also confirms my horrors.
the only time when mass shipping will start (if at all) is when the difficulty changes to a new outstandingly sized margin.
this is what i would be doing if i was inclined at their level of dishonesty.
all i see is useless info on the updates announcements section.
a cluster**** of hopes and excuses for chips and boards.
there is NO way to fulfill the orders unless they were/are lying about current production figures.
now ask yourself "where is the product" and the answer becomes very clear.
an investment is a " i give you cash in exchange for more later, product or no product it doesnt matter "
the only investment going on is with your mind and the product. you cannot invest in a product alone.
thats called gambling.
The elephant in the room is; What is going on with the customers money ?
because there is a ton of laws which exist to prevent these companies doing what the hell they want with it and as far as i can see they are all being broken.
i know exactly what they are doing which is why i put a simple & reasonable question about where they were with delivery dates and got hit with a ban. went to my bank the next day to recover the funds.
predictions
the people that ordered this year will not see any product until next year. (the numbers just dont add up)
as previous followers have said the projected delivery dates have been changed multiple times. which also confirms my horrors.
the only time when mass shipping will start (if at all) is when the difficulty changes to a new outstandingly sized margin.
this is what i would be doing if i was inclined at their level of dishonesty.
all i see is useless info on the updates announcements section.
a cluster**** of hopes and excuses for chips and boards.
there is NO way to fulfill the orders unless they were/are lying about current production figures.
now ask yourself "where is the product" and the answer becomes very clear.
It was a bit scary to submit a pre-order, glad I got in in before they raised prices. If it is a scam, I hope my wife doesn't find out
hahahaaaa.
at the end of the day, ive never known a pre-order where they take your money first.
except if they're building you a car by hand.
i mean who's NOT going to want one of these, so what's the point in taking the money before shipping?
THATS the thing setting alarm bells off.
then when i inquire about shipping numbers...BANNN!
and address....
the shipping address given for trade-ins is an AL Huber contractors office.
(no idea if they're still doing this)
then you got the second method of upgrade from FPGA-ASIC which they promoted whereby you give them 20-500 BTC to hold onto while your FPGA`s are in the mail.
[dont even understand that one]
then under the jobs section;
We're currently seeking applicants for the following positions:
Engineer - Mandarin language skills (Must live in Asia)
Engineer - North America
Communications Director - North America
--------------------------------------------
i cant even find the company registered in WHOLE of north america.
Or... now let me finish... you could ask for a refund.
yeah that would be an option if;
A) they picked up the phone.
B) they answered emails.
C) didnt ban me in the first place for asking a perfectly normal question.
and now of course NOW i have limited options for contact and of an actual conversation, due to the company attitude.
they have terminated conversation.
i dont know where this guy and his so called team learned to do business. BUT WOW!!
i will also be lodging a complaint with the police for them to look into this guy for embezzlement, this stinks to high heaven.
i know im a newbie but... just came here to share my experience with BFL.inc
just now, not 20mins ago i just received and Ban on their Facebook page.
cant write, reply or like on that page at all.
my question?
how many orders have been shipped since u said shipping had started?
the reply i got was a link to some guy at Wired.com who took a screenie of his config. akin to the "coding in my sleep" review but this time just a pic on twitter.
again i asked;
how many real orders Not review orders?
BAMMMM!!!
the ban hammer came down.
so in the morning i will be bypassing paypal and going straight to my bank to get them to deal with this guy.
if you put a dispute into paypal for a refund. they will hit u with some spurious charge linked to their terms and conditions.
So thats why i will be going to my bank.
goodluck people!
just now, not 20mins ago i just received and Ban on their Facebook page.
cant write, reply or like on that page at all.
my question?
how many orders have been shipped since u said shipping had started?
the reply i got was a link to some guy at Wired.com who took a screenie of his config. akin to the "coding in my sleep" review but this time just a pic on twitter.
again i asked;
how many real orders Not review orders?
BAMMMM!!!
the ban hammer came down.
so in the morning i will be bypassing paypal and going straight to my bank to get them to deal with this guy.
if you put a dispute into paypal for a refund. they will hit u with some spurious charge linked to their terms and conditions.
So thats why i will be going to my bank.
goodluck people!