wtf is this shit. Complete offline from germany. Cant do anything.

He's full of shit.

That can't be correct. I'm fairly certain that I personally know of more than 250 units being delivered from batch 1. I'd believe 2500. Also, those batch 3 numbers are completely bogus too. The 35000 number was derived from querying some web hooks on Bitmain's site and somebody made the assumption that it represented units sold and units remaining. The people spreading this FUD are either wrong or just trying to scare others into not purchasing so that the initial batches can be more profitable for longer.

I appreciate the analysis that as hash rate climbs the price climbs.  However if you use BTC as an example there is a TON of hash chasing BTC and the profitability of those miners who mine BTC for the most part is really not very good.  This is why so many people mine the "alt's" and not BTC directly.  

With this much hash rate dumping on X11 even if the price climbs the return/profitability of the miners is going to really stink and by the end of the year, and is probably going to be a pretty grim picture.  I don't mine BTC directly for a reason.  And with this huge dog pile in X11 it looks like there are very good reasons to not mine X11.  Now if you were one of the lucky ones to get a DM11G in the first batches or possibly even one of the first batches from Bitmain you may have a shot at getting your ROI in good time frame, but everything after that starts to look like a daily grind to squeeze out any profit.  I say congrats to the guys who bought the first batches and will likely get rewarded for their risk taking.  Everyone else jumping in now are going to be shocked as their calculations for profits crumble.

If you really think Dash is going that high then now is the time to buy a lot of Dash and hold it.

I have Baikal A900 giants and the profitability of those miners has fallen to almost nothing already regardless of the algo that they support.  By next month if things don't change those miners may be lucky to break even after cost at this rate of decline.

It is time for a reality check on the expectations for these miners.    Ask someone who is mining X11 right now what the picture looks like already.

Now these will really mess with the a5s position. I think these will be 3.5-5k because octobers difficulty will surely be taken into account.. and their more efficient then d3.

Ok; it's pretty much not going to be worth buying any of these. This one will be twice as expensive and delivers two months after the d3 x11s.  Yet these are more powerful, and quickly overpower the d3 x11s.  

Is $10k/year even realistic at current price of Dash?

Securing Round 18 would be important:

"Securing funding for this round ensures that the Wagerr team integrates into the wallet direct multi-coin and fiat<->WGR exchange service."

-> Not that I don't think 20 rounds will be sold in 14 days.

Yep.  So basically you're saying I need to return my XFX RX580 because it's garbage for mining.  Bummer.  Thanks for the info.

You're supposed to underclock the GPU and tweak the memory timings with BIOS edits.

I picked up one of those XFX RX 580s as well, but it has two different types of memory.  4GB of type 1 Samsung and 4GB of type 2 Hynix (I posted a pic from the bios editor below).
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/y74j1

So far I haven't tried to use the same straps across both types of memory...I have tried copying the 1500 from type 1 (Samsung) to only type 1, and the 1500 of type 2 to only the 2 (Hynix).  I reflashed the BIOS for 1625 as well, but it was still unstable.  I did several attempts with the 1625 Straps where I underclocked the GPU in Wattman but it didn't seem to help.

Does anyone think I should try to use the same timings "straps" for both the Samsung and Hynix?  It seems really odd/tricky to me to have 2 different types of memory to overclock independently.

I have a question that might not just apply to WGR, but any ICO.  What if Wagerr really takes off as a success story and some larger non-blockchain gambling company acquires it?  What happens to the value (or even the existence) of WGR tokens in their current form?  Since our WGR tokens are not an "investment" or stake in the company, could the acquiring company just eliminate WGR all together and replace it with a new online token or currency?  Would the company be obligated, either legally or via an effort to keep the Wagerr customer base, to maintain the WGR tokens or convert them to a new token/currency?

This just might be one of the risks with getting involved in any ICO.