I-am contactat pe cei de la Butterfly sa vad ce as putea face sa scap de vama si transport , si am primit raspunsul urmator:


Hi Zsolt,

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 As an alternative to paying customs duties and shipping charges you may wish to explore the possibility of having your units hosted here in Kansas City. You would still have control over your rigs and save the customs and shipping. One such company is Eclipse Mining Consortium. .

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 Your faithfully Zsolti!



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Aveti vreo cunostinnte in ce priveste acest lucru? Nu ar suna rau, i-am trimis e-mail, dar mi-ar placea sa vad macar un contract cu ei nu numai un mail...

Oh mersi mult , excelent deci 20 000 de ciupiru care vor fi livrate, deci nu 20 000 care sunt comandate, nu-i rau, deci poate mai avem a sansa mica daca comandam acuma sa fim in primii 20 000 de chipuri (sper)

Conform https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89685.460;topicseen

Date Paid     Order Number     Trade-In (Y/N)     Qty SC Jalapeno     Qty SC Single                  User
10/25/12           11757                     N                             1                              0                       JackRabiit

deci pe 25 Oct Order numberu era la ~ 12 000. Hai sa zicem ca in medie oamenii siau luat 60 de Ghash / s => 72 T hash care are fi de in mare de 3-4 ori mai mare decat totalul de Hash/s ce este acuma. Asta nu are insemana ca difficulty va creste in cel mai rau caz de 4X cand sunt livrate toate ASIC? (pana cand 2016 de block nu sunt gasite, apoi creste; bine am priceput?)

Buna seara, m-as alatura si eu voua, mai priceputi in BTC.

Nu de mult (saptamana trecuta) am aflat si eu de Bitcoin. Mi-a placut foarte mult idea, mai ales daca pot safac si eu BTC, apoi sa o schimb in ceva valoros (cum ar fi un calculator sau chiar bani). Dar interesandu-ma mai bine am aflat ca GPU-u o sa dispara in curand cu aparitia ASIC-ului.

Am zis ca nu-i o problema hai sa vedem despre cei vorba. Butterfly a lansat Little Singe SC-u pe care zicea din cauza ca la lansat cam tarziu va trimite prima jumatate a preorderului in primul interval, ce stit de este? Asta ce inseamna exact? Daca eu comand unu acuma, nu l-as primi pana in Ianuarie, sau aia 11,000+ de preorde sunt impartiti in 4 (4 feluri de SC) apoi aia ~3 000 in 2 si daca sunt 1 500+ care siau comandat Little Single . le vor primi in primul val?

Nu stiu de ce ziceti voi 9-12 luni. Eu am calculat cu 50X difficulty ce este acuma = 150 milioane si mi-a iesit calculul in 4 luni, ar putea sa fie si mai rau decat asta?

50X difficulty ce este acuma ar insemana 50X Total hasrate ce este acuma nu? (minim) deci 50X~28 Thash/s care are fi ~ 140 000 Ghash/s .
Media de Hashrate pe care am caculat la un butterfly ar fi ~ 60 Ghash/s deci ar trebui sa fie ~ 20 000 de comenzi numai de 60 ghash/s ca sa sara difficultyul la 50X de ce este acuma. si acuam suntem doar la ~12 000 de comenzi (din care nu sunt toate de 60 Ghash).
Ce nu am luat eu in considerare? De ce va iese voua 9-12 luni? mie nu-mi iese nici cum aia + cu logica mea, asta ii cea mai rea posibilitate, si de asta numai mai bine poate fi.

I made a small speculation, the only thing what I dont know the difficulty thing, is the difficulty depedning by the total hash power? (this is how I get it and  calculated a bit)

So let's say after the ASIC's come out there will be a huge overhashing power in the network.
I estimated this at 50X so 50X ~28Thash/s (the total hash power at the moment) = 1,400 Thash/s =>

difficulty from 3, 000, 000 will be 50X this number so 150, 000, 000
so to jump to this difficulty we will need 1, 400- 28 = 1, 372 Thash power in the first day.
After this I devided this number in 60 Ghas so 1, 372, 000 / 60 ~ 22, 800 orders of a 60 Ghash/sec ASIC
like I saw there are just ~ 13, 000 orders so ~ 10 000 really offers that number is still the half of what I'm waiting for.

After this I putted this numbers in the TP calculator and got that at a 50X bigger difficulty time than now I can get my money back in 4 month. That's not bad if we think about that the difficulty will be rising exponentially and not linear (like I think because the curretn difficult rate will be much ower the power of the new Total hash power), so I can get the invested money still faster than Im waiting for.

So to sum up to get back the in 4 month the inveted money the avvarage of the tottal difficulty of the 4 month's difficulty should't be higher than 150, 000, 000.

Am I right? I would thank you very much if someone could correct me if I made somewhere a mistake, I couldn't mine ever, and now thinking to try it out, and wanting to buy a Little SC. What you think about this? 

1) There is still 0,00000000 in my pool wallet, I knew that.

yeah I know, jsut want to make my first transaction to mtgox, then I want to sell there, so I can see for sure how it work, then I will try to get a better mining system, ty for your answers I will need to find a new pool then

it says  0 blocks remaining

I started to mine at that rate (I know it a really low rate), but still after 8h of mineing my Slush pool account says I don't have any BTC.
Why is that? and already passed 1 day, and I wrote the acc and pw correctly in GUI miner.

liked and posted there

Oh I see thank you very much for the answers, so I will send them at bigger ammounts to MTGox

Im a Newbie and now checking how this really works; so I wanted to send 0.00053165 but my wallet transaction process said I need to pay a +0.001 BTC for tranzaction fee what is the duble of the ammount what I wanted to send.

Then I sent 0.00003165 and payed 0.0005 BTC for teh fee so I used up all my bitcoins.

How is this at bigger rates? the fee get Bigger adn Bigger? So I should send my BTC's dirrectly to my MTGox account?

According to any logic after halving the production rate the price should double after that (slowly/or not).

Wow Bitcoins price dropping nicely , time to fill up our wallets. I was searchign for 3 days and can't find a good answer for this the best what I was thinking about is cuz of the releasment of ASIC's could that be the reason?

I think I'm in that group that want's to test it because like I said earlyer I can't mine with my Comp, and I never saw a miner GPu or anything in real.
You didn't scared me at all, but gona recalculate something

@Gabi : under total miners Mhash/s I mean the all miners Mhash/s summed why whould that be that the saem with what I wrote? ( Also I'm not joking just trying to clearify everything for myself, so I can take everything in consideration)

Oh so dificulty depends on the total of miners Mhas/s, and not on how many hashes done.

I would like to check if I get it right, after the ASICs will be realesed , the difficulty will go up really fast, am I right?
And why is that sometimes the difficulty drops?

Thank you very much for you answer, finally I got clearified for a while. Yeah I got the part with pools. Just its a bit hard to "see" what are yo utalking about if I can't try it on my own, and my GPU is too old for mining, so all of wah tI was reading is like a dream for me.
Investing already 150 $ in somethign I dont know , is already a big investition, thats why I want to clearifi all my questions. yeah I'm thinking of preordering a jalapeno after all, the only thing what holds me back right now it's that no one has one of that yet....

Last few things to clearify.Lets say I got the Jalapeno, so next is to run the cgminer and thats all leave the Jalapeno work for me. That's all?
My comp will see the Jalapeno like another GPU, so the program will recongnize it, am I right?

And thank you again for your handful answer!

Site: http://bitcoinme.com/

So lets say I buy one; 2nd step is to plug in to an op, system, and put a miner program on it. Then let him "mine" and I will get the bitcoins in my wallet. Am I right?

But seeing your replys, I don't understand, they just shipped the "big orders", the expensive ones, the FPGA's?