Your shilling has the exact opposite effect. As it should. This thing is going nowhere fast ... except the cash going straight to the pockets of Cuende and Izquierdo.

What's this that I read, Luis and Jorge are selling more ANT? A second-round ICO?

To think that once I believed in this project -and in Luis and Jorge- enough to actually invest on it? Just another money-grab scheme, I'm afraid, just that. Wow.

ANT -like ETHER to Ethereum- is just a token with a given value determined by the market. When Aragon is implemented, those tokens will buy a number of things (read extensively about it in the white paper) and will be minted through the provision of a number of services and uses, via fees, much like proof of stake but different. It's future price will be determined, like now, by the market and their rate of inflation by the stakeholders of the coin.

If you believe in this project AND are willing to wait quite a bit of time, purchasing ANT now could be a great investment, but it is pure speculation -like every other coin with the possible exception of Dash, if you have a node-. Current price is quite steep (my opinion) considering all the circumstances and how long in the horizon is a reality of great usage of the Aragon Network AND some of it's key features (the Arbitration one is particularly complex and potentially quite manipulable). But these are times in which development of these things take a bit of time but implementation is usually pretty fast because, obviously, the first to use the applications are the organizations within the proper crypto world itself (think Ethereum, again), so neither of these projects needs to be implemented by a big brick and mortar organization -that seems to be in a very, very distant future and with a big IF in front of it- and can literally thrive on self-propagation of crypto projects. Specifically Aragon can become part of a chain (on top of the Ethereum blockchain) that includes other DAOs -potentially many of them- that will bring added features in a never ending (potentially) decentralized organizational and operational network for all kinds or organizations. You will notice I included a couple of times the word "potential".... in the foreseeable future though, you can look at Aragon as an improvement on the Ethereum smart contracts (allowing distribution of dividends, for instance, which Ethereum doesn't provide), among several other uses such as voting and arbitration (again, this one very far from proven effectively as of now).

I don't know if your interest is in sticking around for a while in Aragon to see what it can really do and what his worth ultimately be, or if you are thinking in investing in it for pure speculative purposes. If the later is the case, I believe there are many other projects that will probably have closer catalysts than Aragon. This one has a long and very winding road ahead before it reaches even a minimal part of what it is set to achieve.

Yeah, follow martismartis advice instead. He'll have you convincdn the moon is within reach. Me, on the other hand, will continue telling you that in the real universe, not only NXT/ARDR has been recently halved (in BTC), but will be much, much, MUCH lower.

Because, frankly, there's no value of any significance there. At all. At least not value that can be compared to about 50 other alts either fully developed or in advanced stage of development be people who pass much more mustard than this "team" of schemers.

Actually IGNIS is a child chain of ARDOR, which is the network... oh wait: Ardor is going to be the network when NEXT disappears, which will be shortly after the NEXT network is forked to become ARDOR...

In reality it is quite simple: It is all the same thing, iterations of the same thing. Implementations of some new improvements, scalability and features, but the exact same thing... they simply call it different things to be able to sell it as different things. And guess what? It is working like magic ... for them, the "team".

Keep an eye of the dumping of NXT already in progress (but nothing compared to what's coming as it goes obsolete). Fascinating.

good:  https://blog.aragon.one/token-buyback-transparency-report-dc89ca2935b

This is unintentionally funny.... downright hilarious, really.

Tens, hundreds of thousands of new bitcoin purchasers, traders, holders... It's a fever, across the world, making the mainstream news -and new highs- every day....

But this is NOTHING. All those 10s, hundreds of thousands of new bitcoin converts, hardly realize yet that there is going to be only 21 million bitcoins. Ever. And about 1 million have already been lost forever, so, basically, about 20 million...

What is going to happen when not hundreds of thousands, but actually hundreds of millions of people want to have bitcoin?

We ain't seen nothing yet.

Here's my prediction, for the books: $50,000+ within 5 years, probably within 3 years.

Or earlier.

Sorry but not nearly good enough. After the multimillion dollars infusion this should be much, much more aggressively coming out with real updates... in the form of CODE. In the form or alliances. In the form of ADVANCING the calendar. In the form of hiring.... you know MOVING forward, really moving forward. No one is sitting and waiting on the beach, like Luis and Jorge are doing now, in crypto. Aragon is not unique in any way and Microsoft -of all organizations-, for instance, is eating already its future lunch. With many other well funded competitors going at it at strenuous pace.

Like I said: Disappointed.

Because it is a CONFIRMED, PROVEN, scam?

First, I don't "do this" for a living. Second, I can pinpoint -like I have done repeatedly- what many others don't want to see to make it unavoidable, but I never tell anyone what to do with their money. In my opinion, there's money to be made here... only speculating, buying on the huge dips and not being too greedy and cash in profits early on the equally big bull runs. At this point, and always from my standpoint, to invest in NXT could be throwing your money away... actually half of your money. I can't see any value at all in NXT after IGNIS. Now, the matter at hand is how much is IGNIS worth? The 5 million just bought have put a nice price on it but bear in mind that it comes more than probably from someone like Damelon or Jelurida, so they are "buying" with no real money whatsoever (they know NXT is going to be worthless and at least they'll secure a lot of iGNIS with the many, many, many millions of NXT they have), therefore it is all a fantasy. Again in my opinion, IGNIS is nothing but yet another copycat shitcoin with no value whatsoever in and of itself, but that's just me, the skeptic. They, the team, have proven quite smart at selling their schemes before and probably there will be a time, however very short, to make money on this but I am out and won't be in probably never. I mean, Goldman Sachs just anticipated an immediate reach to $3700 on BTC, which probably will be widely surpassed within weeks, with so, so much to come.

As for any other options, no one can deny the increasing valuation, usage and popularity of Ethereum.

I like a lot ANT, but I am very disappointed because, instead of working, its owners are happily spending a slice of the almost 30 million bucks they got in their IPO vacationing. I'm sure they'll get back to work some time in September and it will pick up, but who has time to waste of need to take unnecessary risks when the pastures are so green all over? By comparison, this entire project is a major disaster wanting to happen. You want proof? any other ICO, ANY AT ALL, is subscribed in the first phase by a single customer within second and it will make news across the boards and an avalanche of people wanting in. As it happens, both NXT and ARDR have halved since  and no one, in crypto or outside, gives a fuck about the whole thing altogether. Draw your own conclusions.

To each his own: They have been not only fully clear about their intentions but blatantly so. Any people hurt i the whole scheme fully deserves it.

You get the gist of it. Completely.

The development team holds hundreds of millions of the crap. How do you think they plan to get out of it without losing it all? The firesale is going to be of epic proportions, so this is the predicament: They NEED the people holding and forging the NXT to maintain the network until ARDOR is implemented (IGNIS will require ARDOR support, not NXT), including of course themselves. They figure that the 0.5 x 1 in IGNIS plus the ICO will more than compensate them for the gigantic losses they are going to have getting rid of the millions of NXT, so they will do ANYTHING they can think of to avoid that people sell their NXT when they rightfully realize -like you have- that there's absolutely no purpose to it. So, they are willing to basically creating a "maintenance team" will all those millions from the ICO, to keep NXT active while they dedicate themselves to sell other projects (childchains) through Jellurida and maintain and update ARDOR.

It's all very devious and smart and has only one purpose: To make them money.

Other than speculating, to remain in this project at this time is just a ticket to get everything you deserve.

I am extremely supportive of this project -and heavily (for me) invested in it, but 2 1/2 months have passed since the ICO and no news of any significance regarding the progress of the project or any hirings. Luis and Jorge have going dark, deeply. Maybe they are still counting all those million$ they made in the ICO and are taking it way to easy... I know it's the summer and all but we have paid them, in advance, very dearly. They should be producing news of significance if not daily, at least every week. It isn't like they don't have resources now.

In cryptoland 2 1/2 months is almost an eternity.

Disappointed.

The email from Jorge Izquierdo offering 1000 ANT for free is a scam, right?

And that's why the price of BTC is up today over 30%. Not as a currency, because it would be absurd to pretend to use a coin that in a couple hours can have swing, both ways, of 30% or more, but as a store of value. Those who bought under $2,000. Are making a mint, not just stowing value that will go much higher and definitely much higher than gold in tears to come. Whether they choose to trade and cash in the profits or keep it gaining long-term value, it is not a currency that can be used on a daily basis. The dollars has lost very little value in the last 6 months with respect to other currencies... except bitcoin, of course. Or ETH, even this blasted ETH that has been halved and is having serious trouble gaining traction. Or practically any other cryptos. That said, the risk of being robbed by hackers will need a much higher valuation for the vast majority of people to put real money in. Only speculators.

If the question is for me, NXT was a great project marred by the horrible distribution and overall greediness of the main holders/developers. Great tech never given a real chance because of those and other circumstances, such as the inability to make it simpler to understand and use and the inability to simply make it KNOWN.

ARDOR is supposed to be the natural evolution of NEXT and, as such, have many more and much improved features. They , the developers, have had over a year to bring this to fruition and so far have not produced anything except for untested pretenses (untested under stress conditions, that is). Even if those pretenses are close to reality when the product finally sees the light there will be in affect already and in very advances stages of development much more advances products by at least half a dozen projects, with many more in earlier stages.

IGNIS I don't even know what it is. It seems to me just another clone token/asset. A necessary part of the con that this entire project has become.

For those who are considering participating in this (con) ICO, so you know where you are throwing your money:

They want you to give them 25-35 million dollars (at current market prices) of which they will keep -through their private, for-profit company, Jelurida-, 3-4 million. The rest will be for promotion, development, bla, bla, bla... of IGNIS/ardor (they say they will contin ue developing NEXT but that's just another con to get rid of their hundreds of millions of NXT at decent prices. They even say that the only thing they will do is give to NEXT tha same features ARDOR will have, go figure. Their own words... So those tens of millions of dollars will be used among other things, to pay their salaries -they will set their own salaries, at their own will and discretion-, to hire developers and promoters and you name it, again at salaries that they approve and you have no say whatsoever in the whole thing. Oh and they will use it to travel around the world promoting the projects (namely private child chains that they will sell to private parties for profit upfront and whose traffic you will carry for peanuts fees (it is in their interest, to make the product they sell attractive, to keep those fees at the minimum). They can spend as much or as little as they choose. Of YOUR money. No explanations, no accountability of any kind. They may choose to work... or not. To hire (friends, relatives, friendly geeks...) or not. They may advance the project, or pretend they will advance it several years from now, or not. And you have no shit to say in the whole shebang. Not only that, they have been quite open and frank about it, so you won't even have the right to complain when you finally wake up.

But there's more: They own, at least the major part of the main 50 wallets -roughly 400 million NXT-. That means they got 400 million Ardor for free. Of course this is not provable but believe me, it is true. And that means they will get, ON TOP of that rain of millions already mentioned, another 200 million IGNIS, which at the price they suggested, will amount to another 12 million dollars... Are you keeping track? No need, really. If you have even a small bit of common sense, you will run away from this con job as fast as you possibly can.

And for the converts, the  ones that say "but this is the same with all other ICOs, you throw money at them with no guarantees... at least here we know who these guys are", well not that you can be convinced... or that I would try, but the truth is that when you participate in an ICO, usually, there's an idea, which is new, more advanced or complete than current projects and a known group of people behind it, with history and credentials (otherwise you are assuming too much risk) who WILL BE CONCENTRATING ALL THEIR EFFORTS on the success of that project of which they retain standard ownership of no more than 15%, so they are as motivated as you are, if not much more, to make the project a success. Here, if the whole child chains brouahaha is a total failure -as it will be-, they still keep the same amount of money you have already given them to do with it as they please. Completely. Without accountability. AND, if the childchains are successful, you still get basically shit (crumbs, if you forge) while they -not you- reap 10s of millions of dollars in profits.

This is the long and the short of the con. Up to you now.

The price is actually rebounding nicely but I doubt it will reach 200 any time soon. The 50% haircut -if it does reach 200- will reflect the obvious: All those multi-million ICOS, including current ones in progress, need to dump millions and millions of ETH in the markets and get it in fiat in order to progress and pay for the operations their ICOS promised. Same thing with BTC for most of them admitted both ETH and BTC. In my opinion the crash of this weekend is just the start and it will be followed by many others as this exchange of BTC/ETH for fiat continues inevitably and with new money coming in slowing down, especially after new investors are burned by the crashes.

That, of course, doesn't include the easy manipulation that is quite possible for those with big pockets and the ability to short.

These are very troublesome times with the risk increased significantly. To remain on the fence seems quite appropriate to me.