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Is there any update regarding PrediMarket? I really liked your website while it was up, and I really respect you for returning all balance money before shutting it down.
I really hope you will soon be back up!
I really hope you will soon be back up!
I need as much soccer 2odds I can get, and u get paid in bitcoin.
What exactly do you mean? Can you give an example?
Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.
Yes this is quite frustrating to see from sportsbook no any good platform should disclose their users detail and private info. Privacy is quite big thing for gamblers and gambling platform should respect it, this things suggesting us to bet only on anonymous betting platforms like directbet. Imagine how easily they limit people that simply win, if they so easily distribute sensitive personal information...
Re: PowerBet.IO are SCAMMING, LEAKING sensitive info,and CENSORING negative feedback
So you tried to violate their policy by arb-ing, got busted and came here crying? That's what I understand from your thread
You're lucky they let you walk away with your money, other bookies confiscate funds when players break terms
Nope. I saw their thread, found the guy who was limited for no reason, posted in their new thread to ask why they limited him, they deleted my post, I made this thread so they can't delete it, hoping they will answer. Then, I signed up on their website (with a different username than here) and placed my first bet. Some hours later, I got a message from them here, saying that my account was limited because I was not a "recreational player", which means they tried to find who I am and limited me out of hatred because I started this thread.
You are right, I hadn't described the chronological order of events so you can understand what happened. Hope this makes it clear.
' snip '
So far you posted a series of accusations without evidence, a series of assumptions without any support, all this because we do not allow arbitrage players (such as yourself)?
It seems you did everything you could to place us in a bad light, without even trying to support your harsh accusations with any kind of evidence.
You 'missed' to response again to the post where you are sharing CLIENT PERSONAL INFO to 3rd party, even without anyone requesting it!
This is the most unethical, most unprofessional stuff I see lately from bitcoin operator. That it. Like public doxing in anger
You are offering odds, client is betting. What this or other client is doing OUTSIDE your site /eg arbitraging, laying, shitting - it's clients business, not yours/. And you cant prove what particular client is doing in other sites.
This answer pretty much covers it.
@Powerbet:
1) You shared my information with Cloudbet without my consent. And when I say "information", I mean my username and my e-mail address. This is a breach of privacy, even if you try and steer the attention to just sharing my country here in the forum.
2) Even if you directly replied to him in private message, other people have the same concerns like him, and the fact that you simply locked the thread and started a new one shows that you can't answer those questions sincerely. The fact that it is a closed thread and anyone CAN see it, does not mean that anyone WILL see it, which is also your intention. I had to search specifically for it, others won't bother.
3) I had a different username on your website than here. Even if you detected arbing on your website (which you couldn't possible detect since it was just my first bet), how did you know it was me, and private message me here? Doxing much? Another violation of privacy... Way to go!
4) You are indirectly scamming, since you only allow players who lose and limit players who win.
5)
You are offering odds, client is betting. What this or other client is doing OUTSIDE your site /eg arbitraging, laying, shitting - it's clients business, not yours/. And you cant prove what particular client is doing in other sites.
LOL. Quoting for future reference...
Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.
Yeah, that too... When I saw the post, I went straight to their privacy policy, but then I thought "It will take me 10 seconds to restart my router and get a new IP. Another 30 seconds to make a new e-mail, and another 10 seconds to create a new account if I want, so why bother?"
Nice try steering the conversation away from the fact that you randomly ban people and you delete all negative feedback from your threads at will, without even replying.
And as for the arb part, it is so sad that both you and other bookmakers fail to realize that the more bets you have on your websites, the more you will grow. Why does it matter so match for you if I bet on X on your website and at the same time lay X on FairLay? Since you offer the odds, a "recreational player" (as you seem to define anyone who just loses on your website) could just bet on X without laying, how is that different?
Edit: As for snitching my IP and username, how hard do you think it is to restart my router, get a new IP and create a new account? Heck, you could even ban all of Greece, and I could simply use a VPN. See where I am getting at? Instead of spending so much time and effort trying to avoid the unavoidable, and naming each and every of your winning players a "non-recreational" one, you can just embrace the circumstances and make them work in your advantage.
And as for the arb part, it is so sad that both you and other bookmakers fail to realize that the more bets you have on your websites, the more you will grow. Why does it matter so match for you if I bet on X on your website and at the same time lay X on FairLay? Since you offer the odds, a "recreational player" (as you seem to define anyone who just loses on your website) could just bet on X without laying, how is that different?
Edit: As for snitching my IP and username, how hard do you think it is to restart my router, get a new IP and create a new account? Heck, you could even ban all of Greece, and I could simply use a VPN. See where I am getting at? Instead of spending so much time and effort trying to avoid the unavoidable, and naming each and every of your winning players a "non-recreational" one, you can just embrace the circumstances and make them work in your advantage.
Hahahahahahahaha I just got a message from Powerbet here in this forum, telling me that they banned me on their website because "I am not a recreational player", and I had simply just made my first deposit and bet some money on X and some money on 2 on a specific game.
The funny part is that I have a different username here than I used in their website, so this proves they went to great lengths just to find me and ban me.
This shows how unprofessional they are...
Everyone stay away from PowerBet.
The funny part is that I have a different username here than I used in their website, so this proves they went to great lengths just to find me and ban me.
This shows how unprofessional they are...
Everyone stay away from PowerBet.
Decent amount? You put his limits to 50 mBtc, effectively equivalent to banning him...
My opposition is on your whole "I-lock-the-thread-and-make-a-new-one-in-order-to-avoid-replying" attitude, and the fact that you instantly deleted my post on your thread simply because it was negative for you.
Face the facts.
My opposition is on your whole "I-lock-the-thread-and-make-a-new-one-in-order-to-avoid-replying" attitude, and the fact that you instantly deleted my post on your thread simply because it was negative for you.
Face the facts.
- You banned him because he won 3-4 bets with the excuse that he is not recreational. So, by your standards, anyone who wins is not a recreational player, right?
- You never replied to him regarding his unpleasant experience with your website. Very professional...
- You locked the thread and started a self-moderating one, so that other people who have a negative opinion of you never get the chance to post it.
- He literally wrote over 20 lines of post describing how you did not treat him right, and your only reply/complaint here is that I did not mention that he found deposits and withdraws instant? What a joke...
PowerBet.IO are SCAMMING, LEAKING sensitive info,and CENSORING negative feedback
So, here is the story...
I was searching for a bitcoin sportsbook to bet, and I stumbled upon powerbet.io. It seemed great, and I was ready to deposit, when I saw this in one of their threads:
http://i.imgur.com/ZPRozQ2.png
I found the new thread they started, and posted this:
...and then, not more than 30 seconds later, I got an e-mail saying that my post was deleted because this was a self-moderating thread. See the beauty here? They simply delete all negative feedback without ever even commenting on it.
They might as well just take your money and run. There is nothing you can do about it... They'll just delete your comments.
I was searching for a bitcoin sportsbook to bet, and I stumbled upon powerbet.io. It seemed great, and I was ready to deposit, when I saw this in one of their threads:
http://i.imgur.com/ZPRozQ2.png
I found the new thread they started, and posted this:
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I was ready to deposit and start betting on your website, when I read your other thread and saw this:
http://i.imgur.com/ZPRozQ2.png
It seems that you arbitrarily limited this guy just because he won a couple of bets.
Furthermore, you NEVER replied to him.
AND, you closed the thread and opened a new one to save yourselves from the embarrassment.
It really is a pity. I usually bet large amounts (around 1 btc per bet) and I was looking for a website that offers good odds and can handle it.
http://i.imgur.com/ZPRozQ2.png
It seems that you arbitrarily limited this guy just because he won a couple of bets.
Furthermore, you NEVER replied to him.
AND, you closed the thread and opened a new one to save yourselves from the embarrassment.
It really is a pity. I usually bet large amounts (around 1 btc per bet) and I was looking for a website that offers good odds and can handle it.
...and then, not more than 30 seconds later, I got an e-mail saying that my post was deleted because this was a self-moderating thread. See the beauty here? They simply delete all negative feedback without ever even commenting on it.
They might as well just take your money and run. There is nothing you can do about it... They'll just delete your comments.
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I tried to bet here: https://sports.jetwin.ps/sports/football?view=match&match=1206693
On Kansas. What the system let me bet? 15 mBTC. And you call yourself "the #1 Bitcoin sportsbook"?
You are pathetic.
On Kansas. What the system let me bet? 15 mBTC. And you call yourself "the #1 Bitcoin sportsbook"?
You are pathetic.
Re: PrediMarket.net - The Unique Bitcoin Sportsbook - as low as 1% margin on Soccer
@bestgr
Thank you for your suggestion!
After discussing it internally, we think it's an excellent idea and we will implement in our next release. I cannot tell you now what the wages threshold will be but it will be certainly made public when the new version of the website goes live.
Thank you for your suggestion!
After discussing it internally, we think it's an excellent idea and we will implement in our next release. I cannot tell you now what the wages threshold will be but it will be certainly made public when the new version of the website goes live.
Great to hear.
Could we chat on Skype? I have some other things that I would like to discuss with you. If so, please PM me your skype id and I will add you.
Re: PrediMarket.net - The Unique Bitcoin Sportsbook - as low as 1% margin on Soccer
@bestgr
Again thanks for your feedback.
Skipping the human verification step would actually save us a significant workload.
We'll keep collecting opinions here and there and if people are willing to take the risk of an error, then we will grade the bets automatically: theoretically, it means players would get their payoffs about half an hour after the end of the game.
Again thanks for your feedback.
Skipping the human verification step would actually save us a significant workload.
We'll keep collecting opinions here and there and if people are willing to take the risk of an error, then we will grade the bets automatically: theoretically, it means players would get their payoffs about half an hour after the end of the game.
An idea on something you can do in order to not have this situation is to automatically grade all events where the total amount placed is less than X amount. This way, all the non-popular events will be graded really fast since they won't have many bets on them, and the most popular ones will be done manually. This way, even if an error on automatic grading happens, you won't lose much money, since the event has a small amount of bets.
I think this could save you lots of man-hours, without risking much.
Re: PrediMarket.net - The Unique Bitcoin Sportsbook - as low as 1% margin on Soccer
Thanks for your input!
I think bullets 1) and 3) can be implemented in our next release.
I am not so sure about 2) because of space management reasons (website has to functional from both desktop and mobile).
As for bullet 4), the cashout has been disabled for the time being (it was accessible from the Action drop-down button). Actually, it was functional when we offered only back bets but with the introduction of lay bets, it needs to be reworked to allow not only a full resell of the bet but any fraction (from 0% to 100%) of it. I am not sure if this is clear from the website in its current form.
But anyways, the cashout actually consists in placing a bet in the other way to counter your current position. For example, if you had a back bet on the Home victory, the cashout would place a lay bet on the Home victory with the same "magnitude" but with a cost calculated according to all the wages placed on the market so far. As a result, in practice, you can still cashout "manually" by placing an inverse bet: the cashout option simply made the exact match for you in terms of magnitude and made it clearer for the user.
Edit: Just saw your edit. The results of the fixtures are received automatically but we do require a manual confirmation of it before settling the bets. I understand it is a hindrance for players but if by any chance the result set for the fixture is not right (data provider mistake or whatever), then it might be difficult to reverse the payments as players could withdraw their money immediately. We could actually get rid of this manual confirmation step if we state that the game result as set in our system is subject to errors but cannot be argued about. Note that when I say errors might occur, it is probably around 0.1% of the time but still, the player experiencing it will be (legitimately) angry. You seem to be a seasoned gambler: do you think players would accept such terms i.e. trading game result reliability (0.1% of the time) against fast settlement?
I think bullets 1) and 3) can be implemented in our next release.
I am not so sure about 2) because of space management reasons (website has to functional from both desktop and mobile).
As for bullet 4), the cashout has been disabled for the time being (it was accessible from the Action drop-down button). Actually, it was functional when we offered only back bets but with the introduction of lay bets, it needs to be reworked to allow not only a full resell of the bet but any fraction (from 0% to 100%) of it. I am not sure if this is clear from the website in its current form.
But anyways, the cashout actually consists in placing a bet in the other way to counter your current position. For example, if you had a back bet on the Home victory, the cashout would place a lay bet on the Home victory with the same "magnitude" but with a cost calculated according to all the wages placed on the market so far. As a result, in practice, you can still cashout "manually" by placing an inverse bet: the cashout option simply made the exact match for you in terms of magnitude and made it clearer for the user.
Edit: Just saw your edit. The results of the fixtures are received automatically but we do require a manual confirmation of it before settling the bets. I understand it is a hindrance for players but if by any chance the result set for the fixture is not right (data provider mistake or whatever), then it might be difficult to reverse the payments as players could withdraw their money immediately. We could actually get rid of this manual confirmation step if we state that the game result as set in our system is subject to errors but cannot be argued about. Note that when I say errors might occur, it is probably around 0.1% of the time but still, the player experiencing it will be (legitimately) angry. You seem to be a seasoned gambler: do you think players would accept such terms i.e. trading game result reliability (0.1% of the time) against fast settlement?
Thanks for your reply. I totally understand what you mean about the settlement and I agree that you need to protect yourselves from such mistakes. To be honest, personally, I would prefer having fast settlements by sacrificing the fact that you have the right to revoke a payment in case of grading mistake, but, as you said, other people might be very angry seeing their payment revoked. So, I am not sure I can advise you on that matter, beyond my personal opinion.
Thanks for taking suggestions into account! Keep up the good work. I really like your website so far.
Re: PrediMarket.net - The Unique Bitcoin Sportsbook - as low as 1% margin on Soccer
I placed a couple of bets and I have some initial suggestions.
1) On active bets under "account", display the resolution date, so that we can quickly know when the bet is settled.
2) Display both the value at bet time (which is the amount the user risked) and the value if win, without having to click the "Action" button
3) Display the actual odds at which the bet was placed. Now in order to see that, I need to divide the two values.
4) I still haven't found how I can "cashout" a bet before its resolution time. I think it needs to be somewhere clear.
Edit:
One of the events where I bet finished more than an hour ago, but the bet still hasn't been graded. I take it grading is performed manually rather than automatically? If yes, this is the biggest change you should implement. The MOST important things to bitcoin gamblers are fast deposits/withdrawals, high limits and fast grading of bets so they can re-bet.
1) On active bets under "account", display the resolution date, so that we can quickly know when the bet is settled.
2) Display both the value at bet time (which is the amount the user risked) and the value if win, without having to click the "Action" button
3) Display the actual odds at which the bet was placed. Now in order to see that, I need to divide the two values.
4) I still haven't found how I can "cashout" a bet before its resolution time. I think it needs to be somewhere clear.
Edit:
One of the events where I bet finished more than an hour ago, but the bet still hasn't been graded. I take it grading is performed manually rather than automatically? If yes, this is the biggest change you should implement. The MOST important things to bitcoin gamblers are fast deposits/withdrawals, high limits and fast grading of bets so they can re-bet.
Re: PrediMarket.net - The Unique Bitcoin Sportsbook - as low as 1% margin on Soccer
Hi bestgr,
Sorry about your misfortune but thanks for reporting: we will investigate the issue asap.
Meanwhile, you can send me a private message with the e-mail you used for registering: I'll enable your account directly.
Best regards,
PrediMarket
Sorry about your misfortune but thanks for reporting: we will investigate the issue asap.
Meanwhile, you can send me a private message with the e-mail you used for registering: I'll enable your account directly.
Best regards,
PrediMarket
Thanks. My account is activated now. I sent you a PM about my deposit.
Re: PrediMarket.net - The Unique Bitcoin Sportsbook - as low as 1% margin on Soccer
I tried to register, but I haven't received the verification e-mail yet (not even in spam) and it has been more than 8 hours. And, the website does not have any option to re-send...
Re: Cloudbet.com - bitcoin sportsbook and casino | BEST NFL and EPL odds anywhere!
Any ETA on when the odds problems are going to be resolved? It's ridiculous. I can't place any bets...
Hey bestgr,
Thanks for your messages.
We have identified a very small number of markets that were displaying incorrect odds, which as you pointed out, change once they are placed in the betslip.
Our team is working on patching the issue, and you will see more consistent odds being displayed in these competitions over the next few days.
We hope this didn't cause you too much inconvenience, but please let me know if you experience similar issues in the future.
Thanks,
Dan
Cloudbet
"Very few"? I can MANUALLY identify at least 20 different events with multiple markets having the same problem everyday. I wouldn't quantify this as "very few", but anyway...