Good luck.

Great, so what do they use those addresses for? Do they send/receive any bitcoin to it? Nope. You're not using the blockchain in any way, as you have already admitted, so what does this thing have to do with cryptocurrencies?

You could do the same using regular OpenPGP subkeys and registering them in your centralized system. People already use similar cryptographic solutions for all kinds of things (but not pills, because that's pretty silly) so why would they use your service?

I realize it. Now, tell me, does anybody have the master keys for those unique addresses?  (not the master-key from which they were derived, but the actual key to spend any bitcoin inside them).

Just because you have a string of numbers in the form of a bitcoin address doesn't mean that you are actually using the cryptocurrency. They are just unique identifiers derived from a master key, it has nothing to do with cryptocurrencies. Can you prove ownership of the baby address inthe blockchain? nope. Do you use those addresses (to receive some dust, for instance) in any way? nope.

So what if you don't store any master keys? you are still a centralized point of failure. When you say that a certain address has not been submitted before, why should I trust you? (since the database that counts how many times it has been submitted can be altered)


Then what's the point of this? Just put a tamper-proof device in the bottle and be done with it. The image does get an idea across quite nicely, shame it is not actually the idea you have.

Like, if the image you are using to get your point across shows something that is, in your own words "silly" and you cannot even be bothered to put enough effort to a) show a proper representation of your idea and b) learn how to photoshop a QR code on top of an image. Why would anybody believe you are going to be acting professionally?


Well, you have convinced me of the usefulness of your system.

So you have master key from which unique baby public keys are created. Then someone registers their master-key in your system and, from then on, people can check how many times a related public key has been submitted before.

Right?

Now riddle me this:

1) what the hell does this have to do with bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency? It's just a centralized service that uses basic cryptography. Why would people trust your service? it can be hacked, your internal database modified, etc.

2) Are you seriously expecting people to print (and scan!) QR codes on individual pills?  Really?

3) Finally, what is stopping some asshole from taking a pill from a bottle and replacing it with another pill with the same code?

Like, I don't want to be mean, but this is among the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

I'm pretty sure that, at this stage of the game, that "some" is actually pretty much anybody.

Look, we understand perfectly how much power a 2W laser packs. It's 2 watts (duh!). The naked lightbulb right on top of me is 30 times as powerful and I don't see the OSHA and FBI busting down my door anytime soon.  Heck, my mining rig consumes around 20 kiloWatts, now that is some power. I had to replace my blown fuses with a couple of screwdrivers but it is fine because I did it very carefully and won't be shining any laser at the breaker box (also, the handle of the screwdrivers is made of wood). Sometimes sparks fly out, I did my research and that means that my rig found a good hash and is celebrating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laser_applications

In that list, there are plenty of things that can be done by your regular, safer, cheaper, available lasers, like making a laser sight.

Of the things that cannot be done by the safer lasers, the only one you can really do without a lot of extra equipment and training is laser engraving, and cutting/burning stuff.  That's it. Those are the use cases you asked about.

Read about them (lasers are indeed cool)  and learn a lot.

No, that's not sarcasm, that's outright mockery, there is a difference.

You asked for use cases to someone who posted about what a colossally stupid idea is to buy those lasers just for fun.

Do you have the proper PPE (personal protective equipment) and the installations to handle a class 4 laser? no? Then you should not get close to them.

Here is a complete list of GOOD USE CASES for those lasers if you don't have the proper equipment and training:

1) There are none.
2) Still none.

Now, if you do have the proper equipment then you can do all kinds of cool shit, like running some laser interferometer experiments for your Physics thesis. Oh wait, that's some really specialized shit. You meant "good reasons", as in silly wastes of time with dangerous equipment. In that case you can:

1) Blind all sorts of animals by mistake
2) Burn all kinds of shit (this is also easily done with matches, they are cheaper)
3) Burn some different shit.

In other words There are no good use cases for those lasers outside some very technical and specialized stuff.

In yet more words, if you're dumb enough to ask for GOOD USE CASES for those lasers to a person who is telling you not to buy them, then you should not get close to those lasers. By the way, just in case you didn't notice, you were dumb enough to do that.

Please don't get close to those lasers (and please don't mistake this with sarcasm, it is supposed to be insulting, you dumb fuck).

Sure, see this:


Shine the laser on a white wall, damage someone else's eyes, what other reason do you need? Just for fun. It is not like there a reason for these things to be banned, they are just silly little toys (that can cause blindness) that shine in real pretty colors. So pretty. I'm pretty sure spending 200+ dollars to burn some masking tape and matches with the laser is going to be worth the risk. Specially with the super-high quality googles that surely will come with the laser.

I really don't know, it changes by the minute.

And how much exactly have you payed back? I don't visit this forum that often and I am genuinely curious about that.

Seriously? Just just realized that you've been had? Goddamn man, read his emails, you don't need no contract to figure out that it was a bunch of bullshit. Of course it is fraud, but good luck getting your money back because what you call a contract is 100% sure to be completely useless.

Next time someone asks you use a freaking wire to deposit $47k you must take into account that those are pretty much irreversible and thus are the kind of thing scammers love to use.

So what exactly do you need to do around these lands to get a scammer tag? Send a video from the Bahamas while drinking a pina colada with a little umbrella that says "Haha! I scammed you, you gullible idiots"?

I mean, seriously? Do you guys want a signed, notarized meas-culpa, written in blood?

I don't know much about the politics in this forum (as I usually just lurk the few threads that interest me) but it seems to me that, if someone asks for a scammer tag for her/himself, then s/he should get it immediately. Otherwise, people may think that it was just a ploy to gather the sympathy of other forum members (Even if this is not true in this particular case).

So, if bitcoin.me wants the tag, he should get it. At least until this whole mess is fixed and we figure out who are the real scammers, if any.

Oh, come on! Not all of them are incredible fucking idiots. Plenty are scammers.

Hey FlipPro I'll suggest investing a bitcoin and joining the SA forums so that you get rid of the word-filter. Since you seem to check that thread it will be worth it.

Look guys, there does indeed a place where loans with huge interest rates like the ones being discussed in this thread happens all the time: The loansharks business.

Now, the interest rates for you get from those upstanding individuals are all over the place. In some super-desperate situations it can even be a daily 10% but, in general, it is usually nowhere near that high. 10% Monthly (A bit above 2% weekly, which puts it very close to the BTC rates) is quite usual in some low-risk markets. That is, there is some collateral, and the shark is not lending to a (known) crack addict.

The thing about loanshark loans is that they're a very personal, almost intimate sort of loan. The loanshark knows you personally, knows where you or your grandpa live. On the other hand you know that, in the case that you cannot pay back, then you -or maybe sweet old grandpa- is going to get a visit by some dudes with lousy manners and baseball bats. Even knowing all this, people who desperately want to pay still default, because that's just how the world works. So faces are rearranged and bones get broken.

If the defaults happen when there is such a clear incentive for the borrower to avoid them at all costs, then how is it possible that the BTC borrowers can pay similar rates with such certainty as to be able to properly fund a company giving 1.5% return weekly? I mean, on one side we have an almost-anonymous, zero-collateral, electronic, distant transaction with some technical-minded guy in the internet and on the other we have a personal, with-collateral, in-real-life one with some huge dude with plenty of bats in a shady part of town. And while sharkloans have plenty of losses somehow BTC loaners are secure enough to ask for investors to come and join the good life?

Now, I am not saying that it is impossible for that to happen. I bet lots of people do pay their loans properly. But having enough people taking big enough loans, for long enough to fund a good-sized operation and having all of them properly pay back their loans? while still possible it's *extremely* unlikely. The winning the lottery 3 times in a row kind of unlikely, the one that smells fishy. Sorry dudes, but I really don't think you're better than loansharks at getting your loans paid back, yet you keep increasing your operations and asking for more capital.

What? You realize that to "come off as a trustworthy guy" is the first thing most scammers have to learn to do, right? Also, there are legions of trustworthy people that do not appear to be so and that only show their value when it is truly needed.

In other words, the only way to determine the real trustworthiness of somebody is to disregard any personal data and things that can be used to buy good will like "but he donates so much to the poor children" (Sorry starfish & wife, I am only pointing something that scammers can and tend to do) and instead pay attention to the hard and cold numbers, business models, market conditions, and results. 

Also, please realize that ponzi schemes not only benefit the scammer but also the people who manage to get in and then out at the right moment. Those people are also interested in making the ponzi run for as long as possible to maximize their own personal gain. Therefore, third party testimonials need to be disregarded too unless they come -again- with plenty of cold, hard numbers to back them up. And for the record "I invested X and got paid Y as advertized" is not good enough because that's precisely how (and why) ponzi schemes work.

Well, to address your point directly I think it is a *great* idea to allow non-property owners to be able to vote in issues that have to deal with property rights. Yes, it is your property, you "wouldn't want it to be voted away by other people" but, what if that property was gained by unjust means? would you be capable to actually do the right thing, to vote and get rid of that property and change the laws to prevent it from happening again? Maybe you would be able to but I highly doubt that most people would do so. So, if only the guys with property are allowed to vote (about property laws) the laws will gradually favor them more and more, making it harder for the guys with little property (like you) to enter the club.

Yes, sometimes injustices are done against property owners and their stuff gets quite literally stolen. But your solution would create an even bigger problem. So yup, not only do I find your idea morally repugnant, but also bad for the society in general (it would most certainly lead to an even worse distribution of wealth/property). So, as a property owner, who most certainly has waaayyyyy more property than a high school kid (this is not jab against you, it's normal for a guy with your age/background to have very little property) I welcome you to vote about this in such a way that will benefit you because I don't think that having stuff makes my opinion more important than yours.

So go vote when you get the chance. You deserve it just for being there, even if you would like to take that right away!   HOW COOL IS THAT!?.  Welcome to a modern society.