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Great to see someone else spot this obvious blatant scam.
Their wonderful offering of $0.29 per token ICO price has turned into $0.014 on 3rd day of trading on hotbit.io
The team is selling their bags to idiots most probably, dumping the price down 95% from ICO price.
Who on earth would buy this worthless piece of shit of an ERC 20 token LOL
Their wonderful offering of $0.29 per token ICO price has turned into $0.014 on 3rd day of trading on hotbit.io
The team is selling their bags to idiots most probably, dumping the price down 95% from ICO price.
Who on earth would buy this worthless piece of shit of an ERC 20 token LOL
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
ZPAY price in ICO = $0.29
ZPAY price on hotbit on 3rd day of trading = $0.015
This is 95% drop in coin price from ICO.
Didn't see that one coming
Anybody from the team care to explain? Obvious dumping going on
ZPAY price on hotbit on 3rd day of trading = $0.015
This is 95% drop in coin price from ICO.
Didn't see that one coming
Anybody from the team care to explain? Obvious dumping going on
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
📣ICO has ended! Nearly 8,000 participants! Thank you for your support! Stay tuned for updates on token withdrawal procedure and listings.📣👏
Could you provide any info on how much ETH was raised via the ICO?
Because as I remember there was 3 ETH raised just before the end of the ICO.
So unless people invested peanuts or there were 7995 people investing at the last second, this statement is obviously a blatant lie.
Info please on ICO metrics.
I looked at your messages and you write only in this thread. Why are you so interested in this project? It looks as if you want a conflict.
In any case, I already wrote above that the developers can answer you all the interesting questions in the chat.
I write in ICO threads that are obvious scams
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
📣ICO has ended! Nearly 8,000 participants! Thank you for your support! Stay tuned for updates on token withdrawal procedure and listings.📣👏
Could you provide any info on how much ETH was raised via the ICO?
Because as I remember there was 3 ETH raised just before the end of the ICO.
So unless people invested peanuts or there were 7995 people investing at the last second, this statement is obviously a blatant lie.
Info please on ICO metrics.
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
📣ICO has ended! Nearly 8,000 participants! Thank you for your support! Stay tuned for updates on token withdrawal procedure and listings.📣👏
Could you provide any info on how much ETH was raised via the ICO?
Because as I remember there was 3 ETH raised just before the end of the ICO.
So unless people invested peanuts or there were 7995 people investing at the last second, this statement is obviously a blatant lie.
Info please on ICO metrics.
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
and how much more time will the sale of tokens go? what is your soft cap and hard cap? are there any bonuses?
45 days left before ICO end. our softcap - 10.000.000 ZNX, hardcap - 600.000.000 ZNX. 1 ZNX = 0.14 EURO atm
Oh okay so 10 million ZNX softcap or $2,5M in fiat equivelent. Will be hard to reach if you've only raised 1.666 eth = $1000 so far.
What if the soft cap is not reached? Will the money be returned to investors?
Could you provide also please some explanations why this soft cap of $2,5M and hard cap of $150M were chosen?
Any calculations and basis for these caps? Right now I see that you have no development done, so I can't wrap my head around you trying to raise $150M, or even $2,5M.
Seems very fishy, if a team that hasn't even managed to create a MVP or working prototype and get some initial users is trying to raise $150M or $2,5M. Dropbox for example is a multibillion dollar company and they never took any investments before having millions of users.
Have you guys thought through on what you need the money for exactly or did you just randomly throw out these numbers?
Also a small alert to whoever reads this.
600 000 000 ZNX is sold in the ICO. For a hard cap of $150M they hope.
There's a total of 2 000 000 00 ZNX. Which means that they are valuing their project right now at $500M.
Think about this. Half a billion for a project that boasts just a whitepaper and a landingpage?
What if you only sell $100k worth tokens in the ICO? What will happen to the unsold tokens out of the 600 000 000ZNX you are trying to sell? Are the unsold tokens burned or what happens to them?
Honestly, the token metrics for this project seem very retarded and not thought through at all.
Ignore the bounty trolls posting in this thread. There is no way this project can work. If you buy ZNX tokens you will lose money
Please answer my questions
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
unfortunately, your site did not open with me, so I'll ask here. as I understand, now there is a second phase of selling tokens, right? how many tokens have already been sold?
Yeah, we are at the 2nd stage and raised 1.666ETH
Is there a soft cap that in case the team doesn't reach it the money gets refunded to investors?
Can't be much money raised if you've managed to raise $1000 in a month.
Please answer my questions
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
To all the dumbusers who have bought into this ICO - I feel sorry for you. I hope you do your research next time. Your money is lost.
This Zantepay project has been pretty much exposed as a scam on the estonian cryptocurrency facebook group "Krüptoraha Eesti Grupp"
First, the whitepaper is copy paste. I have a new account here so I can't post pics, but take the Zantepay whitepaper and compare it to the KahnChat whitepaper .
Check them out - you will see that a lot of it is literally copy pasted from KahnChat (and other scammy projects have also copy pasted the same text before from other whitepapers)
KahnChat whitepaper: https://www.kahnchat.com/docs/KahnChat-Whitepaper-v2-zh-cn.pdf
Zantepay whitepaper: https://zantepay.com/storage/Zantepay_Whitepaper.pdf
Second, founder writes like he is no more than 3-4 years old. No wonder they are using an agency to take care of their bitcointalk threads, telegram etc. The founders do not only seem to be able to write, but they also seem to have not much knowledge of cryptocurrencies or blockchain tech or any token metrics for ico projects what so ever. 80% discount for pre ico, are you kidding me? Welcome to dumpland.
No wonder they haven't done a real live AMA cos this would just expose their lack of understanding of the underlying technology and token metrics + economics that a crypto project founder should really know.
I will say this, that the founders of this "crypto project" (in reality just a cashgrab for founders) seem to have somehow managed to most likely outsource a nice looking website and hire a team with some smart people, but this whole thing smells like deep shit. Looks like all they have is a landing page to sell the tokens and nothing else. Oh a mockup of a wallet they call an alfa. Wait you can create mobile app mockups in different platforms in 10 minutes.
The founders don't seem to have any experience in building successful businesses or any previous experience in cryptocurrencies. This project seems to be made by people who saw crpyto and ICOs boom in 2017 and thought it was getting easy free money from dumb people.
This is what the CEO said in one of medium posts
The whitepaper also has projections for future price of ZNX. That's the biggest red flag there can ever be. No info about how the product or tech works, but the znx coin will rise. You can tell that shit to an old lady on the street and she will even slap you with her purse.
Do you really feel confident investing into a project like this? Well there's so many positive posts here. Oh wait these are paid bounty shills from the zantepay bounty thread on bitcointalk
There's so many red flags in this project it seems like it is Victory Day in the Soviet Union.
If you want to throw away your money, go ahead and buy the ZNX!
Founders - do you want to prove that this is legit and you know what you are doing? Do a live AMA with the founders only and take questions from live chat.
If you don't do it you basically just prove this post
This Zantepay project has been pretty much exposed as a scam on the estonian cryptocurrency facebook group "Krüptoraha Eesti Grupp"
First, the whitepaper is copy paste. I have a new account here so I can't post pics, but take the Zantepay whitepaper and compare it to the KahnChat whitepaper .
Check them out - you will see that a lot of it is literally copy pasted from KahnChat (and other scammy projects have also copy pasted the same text before from other whitepapers)
KahnChat whitepaper: https://www.kahnchat.com/docs/KahnChat-Whitepaper-v2-zh-cn.pdf
Zantepay whitepaper: https://zantepay.com/storage/Zantepay_Whitepaper.pdf
Second, founder writes like he is no more than 3-4 years old. No wonder they are using an agency to take care of their bitcointalk threads, telegram etc. The founders do not only seem to be able to write, but they also seem to have not much knowledge of cryptocurrencies or blockchain tech or any token metrics for ico projects what so ever. 80% discount for pre ico, are you kidding me? Welcome to dumpland.
No wonder they haven't done a real live AMA cos this would just expose their lack of understanding of the underlying technology and token metrics + economics that a crypto project founder should really know.
I will say this, that the founders of this "crypto project" (in reality just a cashgrab for founders) seem to have somehow managed to most likely outsource a nice looking website and hire a team with some smart people, but this whole thing smells like deep shit. Looks like all they have is a landing page to sell the tokens and nothing else. Oh a mockup of a wallet they call an alfa. Wait you can create mobile app mockups in different platforms in 10 minutes.
The founders don't seem to have any experience in building successful businesses or any previous experience in cryptocurrencies. This project seems to be made by people who saw crpyto and ICOs boom in 2017 and thought it was getting easy free money from dumb people.
This is what the CEO said in one of medium posts
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Our mission is to build the project the way that this will be the last time you´ll ever see ZNX price as 0,1 eur. The biggest hype is about to begin! concluded CEO of ZANTEPAY.
Really? You talk about the mission of your company and the most important thing is the price? And you say the biggest hype is about to begin? Well no shit, because this project is only hype and no substance.The whitepaper also has projections for future price of ZNX. That's the biggest red flag there can ever be. No info about how the product or tech works, but the znx coin will rise. You can tell that shit to an old lady on the street and she will even slap you with her purse.
Do you really feel confident investing into a project like this? Well there's so many positive posts here. Oh wait these are paid bounty shills from the zantepay bounty thread on bitcointalk
There's so many red flags in this project it seems like it is Victory Day in the Soviet Union.
If you want to throw away your money, go ahead and buy the ZNX!
Founders - do you want to prove that this is legit and you know what you are doing? Do a live AMA with the founders only and take questions from live chat.
If you don't do it you basically just prove this post
Great to see someone posting who is not a paid bounty troll.
I'm glad there are people who actually understand what's going on and are able to look past all this glittery shiny hype bs.
Let's see how the team explains the whitepaper plagiarism, the other red flags and if they are actually up for a live question AMA
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
Its your last chance to buy ZANTECOIN for the lowest price it is ever going to be!
Biggest Red Flag Ever right there. I wonder what the Financial Supervision entities think of this promise. Guaranteeing future returns. I don't know about your country, but in most of the developed countries this is considered fraud and people doing this can be jailed
ZANTEPAY is going through Initial Coin Offering to fund it´s project. The ICO is progressing in stages offering ZANTEPAY tokens (ZNX) at 10 euro cents until 15th of May, then at 14 euro cents until 15th of June, and finally at 25 euro cents until the end of ICO.[/i]
I'd like to know who is actually buying these sh*tcoin tokens? Who are these people?
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
Our Telegram community is going strong and we are getting some interesting questions, mostly about card integration, which countries are eligible for the card and so on. You have also asked us to do AMA (Ask Me Anything) session and we think it ´s a great idea. So we will schedule the live stream and let you guys know when to tune in. You can post the questions to the Telegram group and we will try to answer
So the team will only take questions that have been previously asked on telegram?
The whole point of an AMA is to answer questions in live chat.
Will zantepay founders take questions during live chat and answer them? Or will you only answer previously asked questions?
If you only take questions that are posted earlier, you might as well just do a recorded video.
I hope you will make a live AMA with live questions on display.
Which is it?
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
Lol 90% of the posts here on this thread are either by the team themselves on different accounts or just shillers posting to get bounties.
Is anybody really looking into the project without pink fairy glasses full of hope?
Do you not notice the 20% cashback? Do you not see that they are saying they will ship out and give away cards for free? Do you not see that thread is moderated by an agency who is moderating around 50 different ICO projects? Can't see that founders haven't done a single post here?
Aleksandr0525 you are either blind or very very new to crypto and can't really grasp much of what's going on. EDIT: No wait i just checked your forum posts. This guy has 50 posts copy pasted about the same shit "this project will be best and i will make money".
Take all the posts on this forum with a grain of salt because they are just posting this for the bounty, nobody has even read the whitepaper or done any reserach here.
If i don't get answers to my questions on how you will pay for the 20% cashback and the free cards, then I will definitely stay away from this ICO.
Once zantecoin hits the exchanges, if they do that is, it's much safer to buy after a little bit of time of seeing price action. Right now this project is full of red flags and the founders haven't even posted 1 single line.
But you want to get bounty so you write "omg yes nice project very good i make money yes million million lets go"
Sigh
Is anybody really looking into the project without pink fairy glasses full of hope?
Do you not notice the 20% cashback? Do you not see that they are saying they will ship out and give away cards for free? Do you not see that thread is moderated by an agency who is moderating around 50 different ICO projects? Can't see that founders haven't done a single post here?
Aleksandr0525 you are either blind or very very new to crypto and can't really grasp much of what's going on. EDIT: No wait i just checked your forum posts. This guy has 50 posts copy pasted about the same shit "this project will be best and i will make money".
Take all the posts on this forum with a grain of salt because they are just posting this for the bounty, nobody has even read the whitepaper or done any reserach here.
If i don't get answers to my questions on how you will pay for the 20% cashback and the free cards, then I will definitely stay away from this ICO.
Once zantecoin hits the exchanges, if they do that is, it's much safer to buy after a little bit of time of seeing price action. Right now this project is full of red flags and the founders haven't even posted 1 single line.
But you want to get bounty so you write "omg yes nice project very good i make money yes million million lets go"
Sigh
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
Cool pictures, but pictures don't really provide any info.
Since the crypto ---> fiat payment problem seriously needs a solution I am seriously considering investing a substantial amount (100-150 ETH) into this project and possibly creating a syndicate with fellow investors in my ICO investment team to get a bigger share.
However I need answers before I am willing to take the risk.
Are the founders going to do a live video AMA any time soon?
This will help potential investors get answers to questions that aren't answered on the Zantepay website / whitepaper / social media.
Please make a live AMA with the founders so we actually get to pick their brain and get answers to some questions.
Other serious crypto projects make live video founder AMAs all the time, please make one for Zantepay.
I'm sure a lot of potential investors are on the fence and would love to get a chance to get the founders on livestream.
A good founders AMA always brings a lot of new investment in.
What are your ideas on this?
Since the crypto ---> fiat payment problem seriously needs a solution I am seriously considering investing a substantial amount (100-150 ETH) into this project and possibly creating a syndicate with fellow investors in my ICO investment team to get a bigger share.
However I need answers before I am willing to take the risk.
Are the founders going to do a live video AMA any time soon?
This will help potential investors get answers to questions that aren't answered on the Zantepay website / whitepaper / social media.
Please make a live AMA with the founders so we actually get to pick their brain and get answers to some questions.
Other serious crypto projects make live video founder AMAs all the time, please make one for Zantepay.
I'm sure a lot of potential investors are on the fence and would love to get a chance to get the founders on livestream.
A good founders AMA always brings a lot of new investment in.
What are your ideas on this?
Sure, we will do AMA - thank you for requesting that. When we have a bit more participants on our channels and more questions with a substance, we will do livestream!
Looks like you're trying to avoid giving answers about how on earth can there be 20% cashback and all those free cards. In reality this is impossible, if investors don't pay for it.
So answer me - the cashback and free cards (shipment and creation) are directly or indirectly intended to be paid by investors?
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
We need crypto debit cards in order to spend crypto more easily, since most of the cards providers asks for KYC which is against satoshi's vision.i wish you the best of luck
Best Regards
Zantepay card definitely asks you to go through KYC process, providing identification of several kind.Best Regards
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
Cool pictures, but pictures don't really provide any info.
Since the crypto ---> fiat payment problem seriously needs a solution I am seriously considering investing a substantial amount (100-150 ETH) into this project and possibly creating a syndicate with fellow investors in my ICO investment team to get a bigger share.
However I need answers before I am willing to take the risk.
Are the founders going to do a live video AMA any time soon?
This will help potential investors get answers to questions that aren't answered on the Zantepay website / whitepaper / social media.
Please make a live AMA with the founders so we actually get to pick their brain and get answers to some questions.
Other serious crypto projects make live video founder AMAs all the time, please make one for Zantepay.
I'm sure a lot of potential investors are on the fence and would love to get a chance to get the founders on livestream.
A good founders AMA always brings a lot of new investment in.
What are your ideas on this?
Since the crypto ---> fiat payment problem seriously needs a solution I am seriously considering investing a substantial amount (100-150 ETH) into this project and possibly creating a syndicate with fellow investors in my ICO investment team to get a bigger share.
However I need answers before I am willing to take the risk.
Are the founders going to do a live video AMA any time soon?
This will help potential investors get answers to questions that aren't answered on the Zantepay website / whitepaper / social media.
Please make a live AMA with the founders so we actually get to pick their brain and get answers to some questions.
Other serious crypto projects make live video founder AMAs all the time, please make one for Zantepay.
I'm sure a lot of potential investors are on the fence and would love to get a chance to get the founders on livestream.
A good founders AMA always brings a lot of new investment in.
What are your ideas on this?
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
Well am to this project, and even, already decided to invest, but not can figure out with sum game investment. The situation in the market confuses whether the owners of the project methodology to support the price of their coins?
Owners support his project favorably, because a significant portion of the coins remained in their accounts. Only those who are not going to run a project are not supported.
As for Zantepay, I think that this should be relatively stable price of the coin, as it will be a payment instrument. Of course, it should grow but not much fluctuate.
How do you think the price will be stable, if the Pre ICO had 80% Discount?
Think about this.
You bought this token for 0,05 in the pre ICO and in the last round it's 5x that. You're going to get 5x profit the moment the token hits the market.
Even 3-4x is still good.
So the price will dump for projects with high discounts in ICO, this is a guarantee.
Successful projects rarely have over 25% discount in any phase of the ICO.
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
First you need a stable payment system to have then think about cards
It seems that you have experience in this. So you know better than them what to do. Can you offer your candidacy to the team zantepay as an advisor?
The team seems to be good in making a pretty website with all the current buzzwords to sell tokens to noobs.
However, when it comes to the project, there is no technical info on how the payment system / wallet / transactions work. No info on the cashback, no info on the referral bonuses, who is paying for the shipping and creation of the cards.
They just have written "Omg everything is for free and free and everybody will get it and 1 million users in 1 year omg zantecoin make u rich!!"
Are you people who are posting those random 2 sentence positive posts here seriously blinded or you just don't understand anything about businesses? Or the third option - you are paid trolls. Right now with this information that is provided about the project I am certain that the people who have bought these tokens have lost their money.
But the team, you have a chance to change my mind and attitude. And the attitude of all the other people who are going to be looking more into the technical side of the project and past the glitter and shine on the website
Am I really the only one here who understands that this project is all "sell the hype" and 0 "build product"
Team please answer how are you going to make the payments work and who is paying for the referral bonuses, creation of the cards and shipment of the cards if it's "free" for the customer.
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
It is realy cool if this project will be successful. There are a lot of similar project, but I don't know any active. And all of them have problems with realization. I hope, that experiance of other project help Zantepay make product of a high quality. Moreover, it will be awesome if they will launce in nearest time. Competition is very high.
I agree with you, the main problem of all new projects is the realization of the idea of developers in reality. ZANTEPAY has partners who can help with this.One can not rely on partners alone. The team itself also needs to work very hard. Act according to plan. For this, there is a white paper in Zantepay. The team will have to overcome many difficulties in order to translate it into reality. I wish the team to cope with this.
Ok I went through the whitepaper
It's only very general information in my opinion. Basically only marketing info on how to sell the tokens and how to give away free cards.
No info on how the system works.
How do the payments work? None of the other companies have managed to create a crypto to fiat card that works consistently.
How will zantepay team create a working card, if various big companies haven't managed to do so?
What is your plan? There is nothing in the whitepaper about how the payments work.
So you have coins in your zante wallet. And you have a zante card. How does the merchant get the money when sale is made? What are the fees associated?
Could you please explain this payment process in a step by step format. For example:
1) Customer swipes card in a retail store
2) ...?
All the marketing info is a cool way to get hype up, but please explain how the actual product works. I want to invest in a project which brings crypto cards into everyday reality, but right now there is no explanation in the whitepaper or the website.
If the founders know how to do this, surely you have no problem explaining
Good and right questions on the case. I would also be interested in getting answers to them. I think, like most others here. More detailed information, revealing the principles of the Zantepay system will not be superfluous. If this does not disclose a trade secret.
Too bad this thread is full of zantepay sockpuppet trolls / blinded newbs who are posting their 1 sentence "Project very difficult but i hope and know Zantepay make it work" troll posts to push legitimate questions down.
Team, any update on the way the payment system works? With the data you have provided to ico investors so far this cannot work.
Re: ⭐[ICO][ANN] ZANTEPAY - Spend crypto in real life with just one card ⭐
It is realy cool if this project will be successful. There are a lot of similar project, but I don't know any active. And all of them have problems with realization. I hope, that experiance of other project help Zantepay make product of a high quality. Moreover, it will be awesome if they will launce in nearest time. Competition is very high.
I agree with you, the main problem of all new projects is the realization of the idea of developers in reality. ZANTEPAY has partners who can help with this.One can not rely on partners alone. The team itself also needs to work very hard. Act according to plan. For this, there is a white paper in Zantepay. The team will have to overcome many difficulties in order to translate it into reality. I wish the team to cope with this.
Ok I went through the whitepaper
It's only very general information in my opinion. Basically only marketing info on how to sell the tokens and how to give away free cards.
No info on how the system works.
How do the payments work? None of the other companies have managed to create a crypto to fiat card that works consistently.
How will zantepay team create a working card, if various big companies haven't managed to do so?
What is your plan? There is nothing in the whitepaper about how the payments work.
So you have coins in your zante wallet. And you have a zante card. How does the merchant get the money when sale is made? What are the fees associated?
Could you please explain this payment process in a step by step format. For example:
1) Customer swipes card in a retail store
2) ...?
All the marketing info is a cool way to get hype up, but please explain how the actual product works. I want to invest in a project which brings crypto cards into everyday reality, but right now there is no explanation in the whitepaper or the website.
If the founders know how to do this, surely you have no problem explaining