Having a fast emission does not constitute a scam Adam.

A scam is where there is financial loss - like the users of Mintpal, something i know a bit about.

Dash is just the biggest target for all the people who got scammed in alts with developers who dumped and left or hang around but don't deliver anything and just try to milk their communities - reason: invariably, scam devs like to gang up and attack the Dash dev - why? - because he's hurting them by showing how a decent & honest project is developed and run.

Anyone with a brain measures a dev on 1) are they working hard long term proving commitment to do what they promised  2) what is their ability to innovate better than other devs in the market and how consistent are they at doing that.

Looking at your history, pretty much every coin you invested in, the dev was a *real* scammer - they either left or didn't deliver anything over what they cloned.

Dash dev quit his job and put his whole life into Dash, and if you had invested or mined early, you would now be in profit, and be looking at the most active and committed team in crypto, taking your investment forward.

I guess, the fact that you are attacking a coin where no one has had any financial loss due to misdeads of the developer (and you never even invested in), instead of the dozens of actual scams you invested in, says a lot here:  you are being paid by (i can't guess) to troll here every day

mmmkay?

I think Adam's job is just to keep referencing the first 2 days of the public Dash launch, and insert the word "scam" as many times as possible, and to do this daily, possibly for money at this point.

I think there's a reason all the trolls stick to the first 2 days too - day 3 to now is not that easy to troll, with "EvanTheInstaminer" still here, quitting his job and working full time on Dash for 18 months and building it into (IMHO) the best solution to fix Bitcoin's problems and go a lot further - even though I think most people don't get this yet, even though the key Bitcoin problems Dash solves are now becoming the hot topic in the Bitcoin world.  

Anyhow, don't expect much creativity, he's practically a "Troll bot" paid to spam this thread at this stage
 

"If you ignore the paid nodes and consider just the volunteer nodes"

It's kind of ridiculous to do so.  A node is a node....pretending they aren't there is like pretending incentivized miners aren't there.   I am guessing it might suit your purposes to do so, but in reality, Dash of course has the second strongest full node network, trying to spin it otherwise and say Dash only has in effect 200 nodes, is false.

makes sense, I hope Dash does go in that direction. 

Thanks for the link I will have a listen (https://soundcloud.com/epicenterbitcoin/eb-095)

Not sure personally if it's possible to scale a currency to 10,000's transactions per second like you would need for everyday use, without users having to use high spec hardware / connections, although if you keep ~7 transactions per second then I guess it's not an issue.

"It’s the amount of economic interest that is relying on full-nodes and has direct trust and control of those full-nodes"

With this statement I interpret it that Adam is saying you need to tie-in the economic interest of the full node operators to ensure the security.  Using your own full node is one way to achieve that, but operating a masternode for other users is another way because the operator doesn't get rewarded if they don't provide a secure service in the interests of the end users.

About not renting nodes in data centers, if Bitcoin increased to 20MB blocks, on current broadband etc, I don't see how 20x the throughput can work in the foreseeable future on consumer hardware so there is no choice but to scale-up the node's hardware and use datacentres.  

It's how you keep a datacenter-based full node network decentralized is the big question, and Bitcoin full node network is already becoming centralized - again I think Dash is showing the solution because virtually all full nodes are on server hardware and decentralized across a lot of hosting companies around the world, because a user anywhere in the world can get paid to operate a decent node.  

the trust comes from the number of nodes and how decentralized they are though, running one node yourself won't make your transactions more secure I think.  My point is, you don't get a high number of decentralized nodes with a busy network like Bitcoin, unless you incentivize them, Dash is an example solution to this in action.

but it's ok to agree to disagree on this

OK then, I think I will just sit on the sideline and chew oranges then. gg

But size of the full node network is a bottleneck in the amount of transactions per second the currency can handle as full nodes process the transactions, Bitcoin it's only ~7 per second and hit capacity several times already with their fullnode network.  

Adam back talked recently about how the number of nodes as a measure of security / decentralization:

“If you boil it down going down from the requirements about what Bitcoin is and why decentralization and permissionless innovation [are important], you can translate that into what are the mechanisms that make bitcoin secure, and the full node auditors — it’s not just running a full-node, you have to actually use it for transactions. It’s the amount of economic interest that is relying on full-nodes and has direct trust and control of those full-nodes. This is what holds the system to a higher level.”

...and how nodes are key in the blocksize debate: http://coinjournal.net/adam-back-on-the-overlooked-importance-of-full-nodes-in-bitcoin/

And there are groups trying to incentivize Bitcoin full nodes e.g. Bitnodes https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/incentive/ and http://www.coindesk.com/adopt-node-project-aims-bolster-bitcoin-network-security/

If we take Dash's working incentivized full-node network and transpose it to Bitcoin as a rough example, at 100x the market size, Bitcoin could have 300,000 servers for it's full node network instead of 5,000, or 30,000 at 10x the spec depending on how it was incentivized - wouldn't it be a different debate on block size in Bitcoin for example if that was the case?

thanks.  In that case I vote for 3. d4

Is it ok if I change to team Boolberry after though?

Sorry, just trying to help

it's a real opening, made famous by a 16th century Spanish priest, and one of Kasparov's favorites:

http://exeterchessclub.org.uk/content/spanish-torture-ruy-lopez

I think "Volunteer nodes" are part of the problem not the solution.

Bitcoin incentivizes miners, but not full nodes - the result is a declining and centralizing full node network that can't scale as usage grows.

You need to incentivize all the users or you end up with infrastructure not strong enough to support large transaction size / frequency / storage requirements, for example Bitcoin's block size debate, and node incentivization problems e.g. http://www.coindesk.com/adopt-node-project-aims-bolster-bitcoin-network-security/.

Dash solved the problem with the protocol paying full nodes a % of the block reward same as miners, resulting in a very strong infrastructure, ~3,000 nodes running on servers, compared to ~5,000 in Bitcoin, at < 1% of it's market cap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY1mciGGhO4

Monero can play Bb5, the infamous Ruy Lopez.  And Boolberry can't play the Morphy defense with c5/d6 they're in check.  

Another name for the Ruy Lopez is "The Spanish Torture"

Smooth... maybe a bit ironic?

secretly you love Dash Adam

I don't think we're on the same page.  But good luck with your investments

Google innovated a lot of cool tech, but they never innovated a purely decentralized autonomous corporation - Dash just did.

All these alt coins pushing websites bolted on to their coins and saying it gives them value - decentralization is the key to value in crypto currencies, the most decentralized currency in the world is now - Dash.

Selling Dash now would be like selling your angel shares in Google back in 1998...but go ahead...some of us are buying

Dash just successfully innovated and launched the first pure-decentralized way to manage the currency's future and fund development and the other tasks that need to be done.   That means Dash network is now an autonomous entity that runs itself, the first of it's kind anywhere in the world.  Some people think this is history in the making...I guess if the FUD-driven price on a few exchanges in the backstreets of the Alt coin grotto puts you off, maybe you should sell your Dash and provide some liquidity, i'm sure the smart people are looking ahead a bit

"Monero: Building the coin"

No mention of Bytecoin?  That's weird, because looking at your code, it's mostly Bytecoin with the copyright messages stripped out...

Bytecoin 2014: https://github.com/fanye398/bytecoin/blob/master/src/wallet/wallet2.cpp

http://i.imgur.com/JLlt68q.png

Monero 2015:

https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/src/wallet/wallet2.cpp

http://i.imgur.com/k0ogP8T.png

Let's look at some key functions:

Monero wallet handling new block:

http://i.imgur.com/OQRGNGA.png

Bytecoin wallet handling new block:

http://i.imgur.com/SJfP6qY.png

The main difference is you cut and paste the Bytecoin copyright message out of the file lol

Processing new transactions:

Monero:

http://i.imgur.com/0XZfm1v.png

Bytecoin:

http://i.imgur.com/ri91ew9.png

So copyright violation is the first problem, but bigger question, why the smoke and mirrors show to hide that it's Bytecoin code, does this make it easier to pump something to noobs that's 'written from scratch'?

This also explains why the one of the first jobs Monero dev's are trying to outsource 1 year later, is documenting the Bytecoin source code to help them understand it better  https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/2373/documentation-and-cleanup-of-source-code

"Monero: Fair launch"

Weird that you forgot to mention Monero's scam miner that let the developers mine faster than everyone else:

http://da-data.blogspot.de/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199685.msg11222015#msg11222015

You're not the only one who things it's fair to do that, Smooth also feels lauching deliberately crippled miners means Monero launch was fair


So, back to the topic...Dash, a coin with real original features and code, not stolen and passed off as their own...and just made the first DAC in human history...no wonder it makes so many of the Monero E-Gangsters mad