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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress: BTC-arbs still doing refunds
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btclemming
on 03/08/2015, 13:10:51 UTC
I don't think most of us are still "fooled" into believing that arbitrage was ever part of this scenario...most are at the very least highly skeptical of it. So you aren't telling us anything we don't know. The reason no action had been taken to this point is because they were still paying people back. Scraps, to be sure, but most felt that something was better than nothing. I think, given the lack of payments and communication recently, most of us are just sick of the game and the trickle of payments is not enough to keep the dogs at bay.

After giving fair warning here, I've contacted Malay authorities with the information I had, as well as the doxxing research that led to the discovery of at least two people who ran this scam...one of whom has known ties to other HYIP schemes. Paying me $13 or so every six to eight weeks is not enough to make me care about this bullshit anymore.

Here is a link to the forum thread that contains all of the doxxing research, for anyone who is interested:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=639298.0

Jonathan Lee and Goh Kiang Hok are both involved; when I confronted BTC-Arbs with these names, I was told that if I revealed the names of he or his associates, I would no longer receive payments. As I said above, I don't really care now and can't be bothered with this dog & pony show anymore. I recommend anyone that wants justice done to contact Malaysian authorities about these scammers...if they do some digging, I'm quite certain they will discover a lot more cybercrime than BTC-Arbs.com. Not everyone was seriously hurt by this scam, but those of us who had 20+ BTC in it definitely took a big hit, between the price decline of the coins and just not getting the coin back, period.

Contacting authorities will not result in anyone being paid back, of course...but it WILL make it a lot more difficult for these guys to hurt anyone else financially. Even if it just becomes part of a larger case against them.

http://www.ccid.my/
mcc@rmp.gov.my

As for me, I'm done with the games. I've written a full report for the Royal Malaysian Police and I suggest anyone else that was damaged by it, do the same.

Hi FreeJack,

keep us updated if any more info from Malaysia or BTC-arbs dudes...

I'm at 30BTC lost in there.

thanks for posting anyway.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress: BTC-arbs still doing refunds
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btclemming
on 19/07/2015, 07:47:57 UTC
If he goes much longer without getting payments to people, I'm going to go ahead and report he and his partner to the local authorities. This has been stretched out long enough and if nobody is getting paid, there's no reason to keep the hounds at bay anymore.
pff i doubt that they will do anything about it will they? they will say that they did not use real money thats why it was not a real crime, though its just my opinion about it

Also thats false. Bitcoin is property, one also has to pay taxes on it since it is recognized by the irs. So yeah stealing property last time i checked is a crime. Freejack i suggest you dont wait much longer.

I'll give him a chance to explain himself and get payments going in a much more timely fashion, but if he doesn't break the silence and take some substantial action soon, I'm not losing much of anything by reporting what happened. At this point, I'm just sick of the entire game he's been playing with us for the last year and don't particularly expect to be paid back what I'm owed, given the pace we've seen over the last 12+ months. So there's no point in letting them off the hook anymore. There won't really be the possibility of any kind of group action and nobody should expect to see a dime from it, as it'd just be a criminal investigation. I'm not going to throw good money after bad and lawyer up, etc... But BTC-Arbs should understand that I (and many others) have reached my limit with this.

Hi all.
I lost a lot in BTC-ARBS... until today, I received 4.8751 BTC from the 35 BTC I sent last year. (from this, I received 4.4 BTC before we started this thread)...
Last 0.02 BTC (!) transfer was made on 21 of april... Needless to say that the amounts refunded, and the rhythm of refunds is FAR from being acceptable.
 I am available to help (from europe) anyone for any kind of procedure that would help speeding up the process. FreeJack, would you think of something ? Can you guys share the info you have about the BTC-ARBS guy (in PM) ?
Thks
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress: BTC-arbs still doing refunds
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btclemming
on 20/10/2014, 14:26:38 UTC
0.02 btc received today. last payment on 1 Sept, of 0.02 btc. Of 30 BTC Remaining. This a total JOKE. at this pace, only 125 YEARS left for a full refund...
Please, man, make some REAL refunds. this is not funny.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress 17/07/2014
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btclemming
on 19/08/2014, 11:54:10 UTC
received 0.1 (!) btc.
still 30.30 to go...
waaaaaaaaay to slow...
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress 17/07/2014
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btclemming
on 07/08/2014, 15:24:11 UTC
a. Some stupid person got my refund email shut down. Probably the same person who has been sending threats and attacking the refund process. I don't know why people are fighting the refunds. There is nothing to gain. Everyone will be paid back. If this was a scam I would not be here and would not have repaid more than 100 bitcoins so far.
That means our spreadsheet is quite wrong. The good thing is, we will get fully refunded faster than expected. According to BTC-Arbs it was less than 500 BTC in total. Refunded more then 100 within 2 months. So we may all get refunded till summer next year.

yeah, would be uber-cool. But, wait... how comes that I only received 0,2 btc (!!!) out of 30,6 ?? less than 1% ?
I just hope it will really speed up quickly...
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress 03/07/2014
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btclemming
on 07/07/2014, 10:07:08 UTC
Received a first repayment of 0.2 btc. not much (less than 1% of my total), but at least something new on my wallet !
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress 26/06/2014
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btclemming
on 30/06/2014, 13:27:08 UTC
in few days, the total payment delay has slipped more than 1 year !
it's 3 years from now currently. As one of the biggest amount to be refunded, I do not see really a so slow refund happening for so long...
BTC-ARBS : scale up your process, man...

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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress
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btclemming
on 17/06/2014, 18:50:54 UTC
Although he also claims to have a LOT of requests that were sent via e-mail, outside of the forums (and presumably not represented by the spreadsheet). So it's difficult to say with any certainty.

I think he wrote that emails and PM numbers *included* duplicates.

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Currently pending

221 pending refund emails  (including duplicates/spam)
98 pending refund PMs   (including duplicates)

IMHO, After nearly 3 weeks, and with people touched where it hurts (money), I would say, that we have around 7-80% of the victims on the spreadsheet... It would make sense, statistically.
And it would confirm what BTC-ARBS saying that
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... The total value of ALL BTC-Arbs accounts is more or less 500 Bitcoins. ...There are only 7 users with balances over 20 Bitcoins. ...
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress
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btclemming
on 17/06/2014, 08:35:58 UTC
yonce, why do you actually keep posting in this thread? you did not invest in BTC-Arbs and have been mocking people who did. What's in it for you to gain information on the BTC-Arbs admin? I do not believe you care if we get our BTC back or not.

Your intentions are not clear to me and other users in this forum, along with your reputation which is questioned many times.

+1 - agreed.

Yonce : more/full transparency would be much appreciated. Apart being a bit ridiculous, & childish, any hiding looks very suspicious.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress
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btclemming
on 17/06/2014, 07:21:14 UTC
We have been able to organize a good bit of information now on the btc-arbs admin. I am looking for any more on the admin that you may have. If you do, PM me as it may be new information that I do not have. There needs to be a plan B while we wait for the admin to come through on his word.

Yonce : no offense, but there has been already too much secrecy and hidden agendas around btc-arbs... no need to keep things hidden. Please expose your plan and all info you have to all btc-arbs community. In my opinion, the only way is to have a collective/collaborative approach to have some leverage on our btc-arbs friend.

Collective patience while "Adam" make some refunds. If this takes a different path, then, a collaborative action (of any kind that exists)...

No more side hidden discussion bullshit please. Be open.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress
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btclemming
on 16/06/2014, 14:52:39 UTC
Thanks!!

I was just thinking about the full refund date (where all the users will be paid off) and I think it could be sooner. We don't know the "gap" he needs to fill using arb trading.

If for instance: He owes us all 600 BTC, 100 BTC were stolen and he still has 500BTC. He then has to gather 100 BTC.
The BTC-Arbs admin is now using the profits (11BTC till date) to pay off people but when he has gathered enough to cover the gap, he can pay-out the rest in one final batch.

I surely hope we all will receive our bitcoins in a timely matter. You are one of the top investors btclemming and that sure is a fair amount of money..

Based on the refund rate (on average 0,65 BTC / day) and the amounts we were receiving on the btc-arbs platform during march and beginning of april, I would bet our friend will say he's playing with around less than 100 btc...  looooong way to recover.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, Refund progress
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btclemming
on 16/06/2014, 14:31:09 UTC
Just added 1 formula to the spreadsheet : expected date of full refund date...
it is based on the current refunds made since 30th of May.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, admin. made tiny % of refund, still long way
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btclemming
on 13/06/2014, 21:59:21 UTC
The speculation in this forum is crazy. It seems that every time I visit I need to explain again the situations. Here we go again:

1. BTC-Arbs was hacked. Coins were stolen. Deposit addresses were changed. Some of the coins in the system weren't even received by BTC-Arbs.

2. You ask why the website isn't online. There are two reasons for this. First, the hackers completely destroyed the server and changed all the information on it. Second, there were multiple DDOS attacks that took the server offline.

3. You ask why I don't refund everyone immediately. The answer is that I do not have all of the coins in the accounts. If I did, I would. The remaining coins are being used to generate profits that are being used to pay everyone. Regular refunds are being made. A general refund plan is in place. Smaller investors are being paid their full balances. Larger investors are being paid partial payments until they are fully refunded. Investors with unreasonable demands or complaints are moved further back in the queue. Users who cooperate with the refund process are paid first.

4. Anyone who sends threats, especially those of violence, will forfeit their full balance.

5. Everyone will be refunded as soon as possible.

Today's batch of refunds will be sent in approximately one half of an hour.


Btc-arbs,
I have the biggest amount of the sheet in your hands (30.6) btc and have received nothing back yet since the shutdown... I would like to be cooperative and patient but that does not help.
Please apply what you say : "Larger investors are being paid partial payments until they are fully refunded. ".
I am not... Until now.
That being said, thanks to communicate and trying to refund.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, admin. made tiny % of refund, still long way
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btclemming
on 12/06/2014, 09:09:08 UTC
ok, it's showing updated again.

Did some fixes to the spreadsheet again. people keep messing with it. Also people are keep doing the ascending/descending. I don't really care which one we use but it's pretty annoying haha

Gise87, If I'm not wrong, as the sheet owner, you could "protect range" of cells and setting a different permission for specific cells... It would help reduce the messing up...
cheers.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12550938/protecting-range-in-anonymously-shared-doc-not-working-as-expected

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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, admin. made tiny % of refund, still long way
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btclemming
on 11/06/2014, 22:42:36 UTC
Hi all,
Cool to see some real refunds arriving... Keep up the effort, BTC-ARBS ! thanks for trying to recover from the disaster... Really hope to see some BTC arriving on my wallet soon. Even small amounts could ease the patience...

To all : Why have we been down from 8.55 refunded on the sheet to 8 now ?

cheers
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, admin. made tiny % of refund, still long way
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btclemming
on 11/06/2014, 17:24:50 UTC
There is a bozo playing with the spreadsheet... Ridiculous.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dead HYIP, admin. made tiny % of refund, still long way
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btclemming
on 09/06/2014, 19:12:28 UTC
btc-arbs admin, any reason you haven't sent out a newsletter to your userbase about refunds or even contact Paul on Money-News-Online who has many referrals to btc-arbs that you are doing a refund plan? He could easily post to his blog about your refund process. As of right now I have yet to hear anything from users outside this forum about a refund or an existence of a refund process.

I don't even think this question needs to be asked. He has his hands full just with us, right now...

It wasn't really as much of a question as it was casting doubt on his intentions. Odd he's reaching out just to this forum and not any monitors like Paul and his downline.

To me it is not so strange that he reacted just here. This is just a sign that the investigations posted here, on this forum, were aiming in the right direction... probably reaching a place very close... at least too sensitive for our friend. Let's be clear : I'm ok to stay cool for now, if we note real and significant refunds, and unless we see that this is just to buy some time.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dying HYIP, admin. claimed 2 try 2 refund our investment
by
btclemming
on 08/06/2014, 07:23:28 UTC
PM and mail sent.

here is my content

I deposited 35 BTC and received back 4,3951 BTC BEFORE shutdown. Nothing received yet afterwards.
My account was at 49 BTC when shutting down.

My address : blablabla...

04/03/2014 17:15             Bitcoin deposit for 20.0000 bitcoins completed [Ref: bitcoin_GGM1ahuw]
04/03/2014 07:44             Account updated
04/03/2014 07:40             Bitcoin deposit for 15.0000 bitcoins completed [Ref: bitcoin_ElRnvMcf]
04/03/2014 07:35             Account created

Damn...finally, someone who had more invested than I did. Welcome to the club :/

Go open up this Google Docs spreadsheet we're maintaining and input your username, the amount of principal you're currently owed (looks like 30.6) and we can keep track of it that way.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lSUi0_1bqe0sv5XI4EvXWPcWI7fwnJbFQY-kMsYxp10/edit#gid=1324696940

Hi FreeJack,

you're not the only one fool that send a lot to btc-arbs... Since the shutdown, I was just focused on my new baby child (3 weeks)... had begun to forget this disaster... then I came back and discovered happily that some investigation was done, the spreadsheet and that contact has been made by btc-arbs. Happy to see that some refunds are arriving.
To me, it seems to mean that the investigation was quite efficient and that the direction was right. Have we done enough for now ? shouldn't we investigate a bit deeper just to make sure nobody can cover the tracks ? It means also that our btc-arbs "friend" is not the pure hyip "take the money and run" type of guy. At least some BTC were really refunded.  Now, I see only 8.4 btc refunded on 349 owed... not much at this point.
The refund "plan" that was communicated today add some clarity. At this point, with so much lies, and so much BTC vaporised, I really think we deserve more. The plan should include some % related to time. X% refund in X days. How much of the remaining 340 BTC in the spreadsheet will be refunded at 30th of june ? how much at 31st of July, etc...

Have a nice day,

Btc-Arbs : Keep up with the refunds. Keep us updated.
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: dying HYIP, admin. claimed 2 try 2 refund our investment
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btclemming
on 06/06/2014, 21:27:38 UTC
PM and mail sent.

here is my content

I deposited 35 BTC and received back 4,3951 BTC BEFORE shutdown. Nothing received yet afterwards.
My account was at 49 BTC when shutting down.

My address : blablabla...

04/03/2014 17:15             Bitcoin deposit for 20.0000 bitcoins completed [Ref: bitcoin_GGM1ahuw]
04/03/2014 07:44             Account updated
04/03/2014 07:40             Bitcoin deposit for 15.0000 bitcoins completed [Ref: bitcoin_ElRnvMcf]
04/03/2014 07:35             Account created
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Re: btc-arbs.com - Update: Withdrawal problems - DO NOT DEPOSITS - 100% HYIP
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btclemming
on 12/05/2014, 18:41:40 UTC
Is there anyone that has been paid more than the 2 btc that was reported earlier?

Nearly 4 btc are back... the only problem is that it is 4 out of 35 sent initially.