Today I attempted to integrate Ponzi sites into this page by asking people to provide feedback on whether they saw a return or non-payment. It would have been a neutral and unbiased way to ensure such sites remained honest.

Then I noticed a moderator had unpinned the page, not any reason given.

Clearly the way to go instead of being rational and calm, and providing people with reliable information is to just flood the Gambling forum with 'scam' accusations, give negative trust ratings and continue to make the entire forum a playground.

I tried... and on that note, since the mods want to be assholes I'm done. Obviously one of the crybabies that floods Ponzi posts was upset that they lost their control and ability to make unfounded accusations against these sites. Clearly having a neutral and fair party intervene was not the way to go.

So fuck this site... I'm closing my account and done here.

It just seems odd that out of ALL the topics on here (investing, mining, bitcoin politics, legal aspects) you would rush right to this one thread and claim it's legit. Out of all the Ponzi threads too.

I strongly believe there are at least 3 sock puppet accounts on here pretending to be depositers of this site. And they say I'm pro-Ponzi sheesh.

Do you have the blockchain info?

You are missing the point.

I acquired my first negative feedback because of nothing to do with trading or scamming people. It was because someone didn't like that I 'defended' Ponzi site operators. In actual fact I have a very long and lengthy article pinned to the Gambling page to caution people about scams. At the same time, I'm open to the idea that some Ponzi sites can exist that reward everyone as long as the players are all aware how the game works. If all donators know how the money pays out, and agree that it is okay, it's not a scam. A scam is when the new money is unaware of the idea they are paying the old money.

So because I chose to allow people to read the facts and decide on their own, I must be pro-Ponzi and must be a scammer.

Then we have the same moron threatening to leave negative trust because of people who are spamming the same content.

It's disturbing when someone takes it upon themselves to target your trust based on the fact you don't agree with them and then because you are spamming (which wasn't me by the way). What if tomorrow I decided I wanted to target people who were pro-casinos and said they encouraged scamming. Then I went and flooded every casino thread with large big red 'SCAM' letters.

OF course logic like this falls on deaf ears. Because I am not a sheeple and because I believe investors can make their own decisions I must be labeled as untrustable.

So I disagree... feedback DOES matter to me, in the sense that it's being misused as a weapon.

I could care less if one negative feedback means an hour of gay sex with a transsexual midget. It's an internet forum and you guys are getting all butthurt over who runs what sort of Ponzi or casino site. If that's your biggest worry in life, it's time to leave mom's basement.

It's now being abused by people particularly those who threaten to leave negative trust because (not because of a bad trade, not because of a scam) but because they spammed something. I'm quite sure that it wasn't created for spam, that's what a report to moderator function is for. Maybe tomorrow someone will decide I'll leave a negative trust because I don't like this guy's grammar and punctuation.

This is why I think the majority of these anti-gambling campaigners are morons. They cry, spam, cry some more and spam some more and then when they can't get their own way they leave bad trust feedback.

Fucking morons.

^ you just registered here today

So either you're the website operator or you're one of the anti-Ponzi butt buddies trying to make it look that way.

We need a moderator to start checking the IP's used and banning for multiple account use.

I see -6 which means others have realized he's a loser with too much time on his hands. Countless hours arguing over casinos and Ponzi's... must look good on a resume. Yay!!!!

Hurrrrrr Durrrrrrr.

Thread started by a guy with -6 trust seems legit.

Payeer's fees are too high. They also have a pathetic interface (numerous transactions billed to my card but not gone through). In the end they suspended my account because their bank wanted my bank to give them my real contact info to confirm with my account info. My bank said no way...

I don't trust them one bit.

p.s. it's "you're"

In other words, those cry babies who are opposed to ponzis will downvote my trust rating based on nothing to do with any trades I've conducted or any potential scams I've attempted. They will lower my trust rating simply because I choose to allow people to make their own minds up based on actual facts.

Doesn't seem quite fair does it? However I've also mentioned I do not conduct trades of any sort on here so the trust rating means very little. In fact I could easily address it in my FAQ and I'm sure most people would understand that some people are on a vendetta and some choose to attack the messenger.

I would hope people would be more sensible about things, but common sense is lacking around here.

And to remedy that, I will just rely on accounts older than 90 days with an established post history beyond the Gambling forum. I may also use them myself and post the results - which would rule out the site operators and their fakes.

I'm sure most people with a credible history on here don't use these sort of sites but I believe in being fair, and quite honestly people are growing tired of all these 'scam' posts made without any basis. I could easily target casino sites and flood each and every post and make unfounded claims as well. Wouldn't that deter people from using these sites?

In this case I'm trying to be part of the solution not part of the problem.

I suspect this has already occurred - but if there is a limit set on when the account was registered, it may help.

Worse case, my idea fails miserably and I remove the ratings with a mention that there is a severe risk of being scammed due to dishonest site owners. Currently I'm willing to give them benefit of the doubt.

I've removed the one site from my list already since the member was new with a limited history and posting only about Ponzi sites.

I'm beginning to suspect we have sock puppets on this thread.

Rather than listen to people cry scam, when they've never played it... please see my post here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=531399.0

If you are willing to put in the disclaimer, we can have a quiet place for people to post results with PROOF. That way if you are honest, you'll gain users. If you're dishonest, you'll be avoided.

Hi there

As you are aware, the forums have been growing full of sewage lately with complaints of Ponzi's being scams and members being targeted with negative trust just for having a difference of opinion. To me the issue of supporting a Ponzi or not supporting one, has nothing to do with trust. Trust is based on the transactions that you conduct with other members as well as your overall conduct on the forums. One could very well begin to target casino supporters, claiming that they are in fact scams and those who support them are not to be trusted. However I remain hopeful there are some signs of maturity left on these forums.  Mem and RiverboatBTC are doing a remarkable job of derailing threads and attacking anyone who opposes them.

Having said this, I happen to have a thread pinned to the very top of the Gambling forum. This high exposure post is pinned to various Facebook HYIP sites. The post details what a person needs to be cautious of when choosing to invest in online ventures. I try to keep the information neither pro or anti, but rather allow the READER to make their own DECISION.

Since a Ponzi is an online venture, I would like to begin to include Ponzi's in this list.

This will allow a chart of Ponzi sites to be found all in one post rather than having to scroll through pages of posts that fall off the first page. This locked thread will allow operators of such sites to advertise their service to others. The sites will be listed along with their payout rate and a general positive/negative feedback rating. There would be no 'scam' accusation responses or derailed replies.

Currently it is difficult to determine if a website is operating in an honest fashion or not - and it would be helpful to receive feedback from those who use these sites. I might also randomly try using them, and report the results. This would keep the operators honest.

(**) The only condition for being included in the list is that you carry a disclaimer message on your site. The message would be something like "Participating in any ponzi carries a risk that your investment may not be returned. Invest only what you are prepared to lose". This should satisfy the whiners that are opposed to such websites while offering a safe haven to list the websites and whether they can be trusted or not.

Sure, my trust rating might take a hit but since I only use this site for non-trading purposes, I think people are mature enough to see through the negativity and understand some people just can't handle free speech.

So if you are a ponzi site operator, please:

a) add a message similar to the one mentioned above (**)
b) respond with your website URL, payout rate, round limitations (eg. 4 days then reset cycle)
c) username operating the site

If you have used a Ponzi site please:
a) leave your feedback as to whether it's been a positive experience (payout received) or a negative one (loss)
along with a transaction ID.

You need to be a registered member for more than 90 days with a demonstrated post history other than Ponzi site posts.

Transaction ID is necessary for both + and - replies, to avoid manipulating the results.

This will further contribute to my "So you want to invest in a HYIP/Ponzi" article and allow readers to decide if these ventures are to be avoided or if there is some benefit to them.

Edit: since I forgot to enable self-moderation, the topic is locked. Please send all info by PM.

scam

Cryptsy has had many many many months to fix their trading engine. I gave it another try last week. Traded BTC/LTC.

Despite my trades clearing, they still showed at the top as pending (the red circle indicator) and the account balances were unchanged from before the trade.

I don't get how these guys can be so incompetent. They'll take your money if you want to vote for new coins, and they'll add every shitcoin they can, but they won't fix their lagging engine that results in funds being withheld for hours. And this isn't new news, these issues have been going on way too long.

BTC-E you never looked so good.

As long as there are fools willing to part with their money we will have Ponzi's.

Just as you can walk to the local store and purchase lottery tickets, win nothing or win $2.00 [which will go back into lotto tickets and you'll still leave with nothing].

It's not a dressed up scam, it's a gamble which is why it goes in the gambling forum.

Do you picket stores with signs that read, "Cigarettes are a scam. They cause cancer and are addictive." Probably not, because we all know that they do.

Everyone knows what a Ponzi is, and the associated risks.

I think if you continue to treat people as mindless and without intellect, your little Santa naughty list is going to grow immensely. In actual fact people can, and do, make their own informed choices - such as to smoke, or to gamble - even a Ponzi. The difference between us is that I give people credit for being intelligent whereas you generally assume we're all idiots and need to be coddled.

Good thing they have your Santa list to decide.

If a troll is defined as someone who has a difference of opinion that you are incapable of understanding, then I am a troll. Colour me such.


What is there to argue? Ponzi's are labeled as Ponzi's, people know what they are and how they work. You scream and shout 'scam' like a child throwing a tantrum in the grocery store because his mommy won't buy him a chocolate bar. You add people to a Santa naughty list in a fit of rage, accuse them of being troll yet you want to argue LOGICALLY?

Incidentally, I don't need people to trust me because I'm not proposing, offering or selling anything. People need not trust me, they can read what I have posted about ponzis and HYIP's and draw their own conclusions. I'm not going to make a Santa list for everyone who disagrees with me or flood their threads with 'SCAM'. I think people are generally more intelligent than you are.

Am I not trustworthy because I allow people to decide for themselves what to invest in? Evidentally in your small mind. Fortunately I think people are intelligent enough to base decisions on the facts. And I provide them the facts.

Read my post. I don't condone Ponzi's, I don't make HYIP's out to be glamorous. If anything I am very anti-HYIP/anti-Ponzi but in some cases I don't see an issue - and that is when all the players are aware they are playing into a scam. It's a logical consequence in life, or 'gambling' as the forum is called. So please go back to your lists, message floods, trying to take down sites, labeling people, blah blah blah and continue to feel you're being LOGICAL about it while I am not.  

Please keep me on the list, don't ever take me off. The public awareness is > any negativity you hope to achieve.

(edit: added to ignore list)