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Re: The Legend of Satoshi Nakamato, FINAL STEP PUBLISHED.... 4.87 BTC GRAND PRIZE!
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captainnoob
on 30/01/2018, 15:45:32 UTC
It was very funny how different people are eager to know the answer using the picture that has been sent by an anonymous user that was not sure if it was even satoshi or not. Why not just focus on working hard on bounty campaigns to earn more profit and become wealthy someday rather than solving this puzzle.

Puzzles are fun.
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on 30/01/2018, 01:05:17 UTC
Hello everyone! I am just becoming aware of this thread and had actually been studying this all week! I think its amazing that within the last month or so the link with the Pheonix and the Turtle came to light as it was one of the first links I made. I did have a question for everyone because its going to take me quite some time to read through the entire group chain....

1. Is everyone aware there are 3 files included in this image?
2. No one references this image in a 3D perspective.... only 2D. Has anyone beside me started down this route? If so what did you find?

Thank you and good luck everyone!!!!

I've dug around in all 3 versions of the image file Coin Artist posted and did not see any abnormal or extra file headers. What did you find?
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Re: The Legend of Satoshi Nakamato, FINAL STEP PUBLISHED.... 4.87 BTC GRAND PRIZE!
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on 28/01/2018, 14:09:44 UTC
Here is what captainoob asked for, she explicitly said under the twitter post with high resolution image that nothing from the previous steps is needed for the solution, only the painting:
https://twitter.com/coin_artist/status/945728698518593538

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One more thing, notice she calls it "1FLAMEN6 Puzzzle". AFAIK this is the first time we have a conformation that "N6" is not a random product of vanity generator but something intentionally put there. Does it mean "in six" is open to discussion.

Thank you.

I think what she said could have been taken a couple of ways... Either the image has all information contained within it, or the image is a trailhead for a new puzzle that doesn't require knowledge of the previous puzzles. I am leaning towards the latter.
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on 28/01/2018, 03:28:57 UTC
Do you happen to have a link to that or know where I could search to find where she said that? I have read a few comments where people state that she said that, but I haven't read it personally. I have not been digging into this for very long, but I do not believe it is probable that this image has enough on its own to meaningfully interpret the data without random guesses and brute forcing.
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on 28/01/2018, 00:11:18 UTC
Thank you for sharing, Steganography is the most important element in this puzzle (more than cryptography and complicated calculations), the problem with those characters and symbols is that they are highly subjective which means that you can see something that the others can't see or see it in a different way and vise versa.

I agree that there has to be something visual to find. Reflecting on the old MAD Magazine folding images and the many references to mirrors and perspective I have read by people who may or may not be privy to the true solution, I made a few attempts at manipulating the image to see if anything popped out.

I put together an album. I included some descriptions in the captions. Please take a look and see if anything jumps out at you.

https://imgur.com/a/aJgyj

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on 27/01/2018, 04:35:40 UTC
30 is the number of characters for a mini private key, which YES, can be used to generate vanity address, see my post here with proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=766000.msg27801341#msg27801341

sorry, i just have to say.  we are still hung up on this?  jeez you guys.  you link to some random comment i made that a minikey SEEMS LESS LIKELY, and that I was unaware of a vanitygen that comes STOCK with a minikey mining mode.  for a bunch of pedantic nerds you are absolutely terrible at being pedantic.  SEEMS LESS LIKELY is not even remotely the same as saying "impossible."  obviously.  clearly.  self-evidently.  and asking if there is anything that comes STOCK with such functionality is, again obviously, clearly, self-evidently a way of saying YES IT IS CLEARLY POSSIBLE.  that is to say, put in a different way, CLEARLY I WAS NOT SAYING IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.  put yet another way, if you were buying a car and you asked if it comes stock with a fat sound system, you would not be asking "do fat sound systems exist" or "is it possible for fat sound systems to exist anywhere in time and space," you would clearly be asking simply if it typically comes with it as-is.  for even yet further clarification, i in fact am writing my own vanitygen as a fun little programming exercise, including minikey mining because why not.  allow me to demonstrate how to do pedantry better:

ped·ant·ry /ˈped(ə)ntrē/   excessive concern with minor details
seem /sēm/   used to make a statement or description of one's thoughts, feelings, or actions less assertive or forceful.
like·ly /ˈlīklē/   such as well might happen or be true; probable.
stock /stäk/   of the common or ordinary type; in common use

and to top it off you then even link to you demonstrating a "PROOF" that it is possible... lol.  i now await a full peer-reviewed mathematical proof on the matter.  when can we expect it?  which journal will it appear in?

You seem disproportionately annoyed with what crax0r said there. He was just explaining to another person that we have been exploring many different avenues and your response seems to indicate that you have taken something personally.
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on 24/01/2018, 19:13:32 UTC
dude, you forgot to factor in "blob" which is the fatness of inside of the flame and comes in two varieties (fat and thin). It makes for another bit for each flame and makes the problem you are posting intractable.

Also, the rule (at least for the previous puzzle) was: no brute forcing. But of course, I am desperate too and some little brute forcing never hurt anybody Smiley

I did think that there might be something to the thickness, which led me to consider a possible code 128 mini-key barcode being embedded in some way. After failing to generate any functional barcode from this, I gave in to the notion that the brush strokes look like they were applied pretty quickly (or hastily for lack of a better term). When I watch my wife paint, she gets pretty into it sometimes and can get going pretty fast. It creates quite a bit of irregularity and similar looking brush strokes. So to me it seems more reasonable to chock some details, like this one, up to artistic flow.

I am probably wrong about why I am wrong. I have not come up with anything that I have solid confidence in.

In regards to the brute forcing, I agree after giving it more thought. If there was a significantly smaller number of possibilities and I had more confidence in the idea, though, I would not consider it brute forcing.
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on 24/01/2018, 18:06:34 UTC
your output is going to be astronomical..., so what I'm saying is, unless you can think of some ways to narrow this down, I don't think it's worth the effort.

Yeah, I started doing more of the math last night and it just seems unreasonable to decipher or decode any information in this way. I wanted to lean towards finding some Morse code after looking at the ribbons (.--./.-. stood out as WR). But that could have easily been coincidental.

I think I am grasping at straws as a result over-thinking. I read through a description of a previous puzzle and it pushed me in the direction of looking for pure data or a bitstream somewhere. Now I am leaning towards the "finding pictures in clouds" approach.

I am very entertained by this puzzle, but I am pretty sure I am spinning my wheels. I would really love to brainstorm in real-time if anyone has a discord or anything set up.
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on 24/01/2018, 02:09:12 UTC
There are 8 unique combination of border/fill/height for each of the flames on the border (10 if you count the orange ones, but they look like noise to me).

  • Red,Green,Tall
  • Red,Green,Short
  • Red,Purple,Tall
  • Red,Purple,Short
  • Yellow,Green,Tall
  • Yellow,Green,Short
  • Yellow,Purple,Tall
  • Yellow,Purple,Short

I think there is a real possibility that this a representation of octal, but not direct octal > text. I think it might be encoded a couple of levels... Something like octal > hex -or- binary > Morse > etc.

There are 40,320 possible ways to assign 0-8 to each of the color/height combinations. Also, not knowing the direction to read the information makes it more of a shot in the dark. So manually checking this might be unreasonable, and even scripting this is going to produce quite a bit of information to sift through. It would be nice if there were some clues available that might narrow the possibilities. I will try to script this out when I have some time. I think it might be best to grab a small sample rather than the whole thing.

If anyone has the ability to get this scripted out faster than me, I would really appreciate it if you would share your code with me.
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on 22/01/2018, 02:45:49 UTC

I am not nay-saying your hypothesis, but want to provide another perspective... When I draw a spiral, I tend to start in the middle and work my way out, so maybe the direction could be reversed. Also, if these are Ulam spirals, they would be starting in the middle working their way outwards.

I do agree that they seem to indicate a direction to follow for the order the information in the flames (if it exists). Following this reasoning, out of the 4 spirals, there are 2 directions of travel. I instinctively tend to lean towards one direction for the inner set and the opposite direction for the outer set.

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on 22/01/2018, 02:38:26 UTC
I have been working on another (feeble) attempt at interpreting this image. As much as I would like to hold my cards close to my chest and come out as the one who solved it, I hate unknowingly retracing steps even more.

I have been looking at applying a code 128 barcode to the flames in case a mini-key is what we are looking for. I have been looking at the thickness and re-arranging the top/bottom/left/right segments in an order that might create a barcode that might actually be readable.

I have also considered incorporating the color combinations to determine which flames should/shouldn't be included. Or, perhaps the short flames are one barcode (or section) and the tall flames are another. I am doing my barcode creation manually via image editors, but I am wondering if there is a programmatic way to do this.
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captainnoob
on 15/01/2018, 23:38:20 UTC
@Itod, so in your opinion the "The_____iskeyfile" message is the intended message?

Well, I have a theory didn't want to mention before while trying to find the proof. The message "THEfm_aurISKEYFILE" can hardly be a collision, and the bold scrambled part is intentionally left there to be de-scrambled in the same way other bit-streams should be de-scrambled to get a key. If you come across the stream of bytes from private key you may not notice something is scrambled, but if you find something like plaintext quoted above it's pretty obvious something is wrong. So to answer you: yes I think it's intentionally left there scrambled/corrupted to show the way.

Anything can be the way to de-scramble it in a coherent message. The current path I'm working are the chessboard fields affected by Phoenix fire. It looks to me that those chessboard fields that should be dark are somehow lighter with this bright blue Phoenix color then the white ones, so some bits associated with those chessboard fields should be inverted in raw bit-streams. I believe if we invert some bits from the "THEfm_aurISKEYFILE" bit-stream, in this way I've described, we will get coherent message from this bit-stream, and then we should apply this same transformation to colors bit-streams to get the private key.

AUR makes me think of Arch User Repository. Maybe there is a package in there that has some information?

Was there more than just this string in the output?
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on 15/01/2018, 19:51:02 UTC
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welcome Smiley but don't be too much excited as you'll see that sooner than later you'll be disappointed and stuck, and it could takes another 300 years before we solve it Grin

I am not excited. I am just interested and curious. I will think about it until it isn't fun anymore.

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No comment! what a great start! Grin Grin Grin

Making a comment to say no comment... Condescending and passive-aggressive at the same time. Great way to set the tone.

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if you look at the ribbons height (long+short) then it makes no sense to exclude the length.

I have not disregarded the ribbon lengths, nor do I assume to have ruled anything out. I am exploring other avenues.

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and why do you think that the red flames are the message? you didn't mention any reason for that!

I mentioned that they stick out to me. It is intrinsic with no logic, I give you that. I think the artist wanted attention drawn to them. To elaborate, if the color was only a stylistic choice, I think a less chaotic pattern would be apparent and there would be more balance in the color scheme. There wouldn't be so many groups of consecutive flames of that color.

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and the big question is: So What? what's the next step? how you'll use them?!

I think prime numbers are significant. And while I do not know how to interpret them as a clue (or if they even are clues), any observations are worth exploration. Maybe it can inspire others to follow different paths to interpreting the image.

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Here i completely disagree with you as you can't divide the board to 4 equal quadrants as you did (its 9*7 board not 8*8 )

In all probability, you are right. However, allowing for overlap it could be divided into quadrants, as I attempted to illustrate in the images I uploaded. I also think it might be the direction to read the bit-streams in the flames.... E.g. the outer rim reads one direction, the inner reads another. I don't know, it was just an idea. I never claimed it was a good one.

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i don't think she used only brushes in this painting, there is also a digital work or modification, the painting has two layers, there is another layer (mostly in black colour) under the flames and the board.

I see multiple layers as well, but looking at the high-quality *tif, it looks like the layers are physical medium (paint over paint).

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Thank you for your post, but i don't see any of your ideas of much help, no one of your ideas could be a start point to something useful.

Thank you for your reply, but I don't see any of your comments of much help, no one of your condescending remarks ruled out any idea I presented.

Maybe you are right. Maybe you know all of the secrets to this image and for some reason decided not to move the BTC to another address. I doubt it, though. I get the impression that you are nay-saying anything that is outside of the path you think might be correct out of hubris. Either that or you want to demoralize others, throw red herrings, troll, or some combination.
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on 15/01/2018, 16:58:15 UTC
I only recently found this puzzle and thought I might spend a little time thinking about it. I went through every page of this (painful) thread to see if my own thoughts on the puzzle had been stated by anyone else, and it seems I might have some original ideas. As much as I would like to have the "Eureka!" moment and sweep the private key for myself, I thought it would be better to share.

My thoughts/findings are not listed in any particular order of priority:

  • I do not see a rabbit. There may be hidden imagery, but I do not believe that the rabbit so many people are talking about is of any substance.
  • I have read a lot of people looking at the "flame" border as a potential binary message. Rather than the height or width of each flame, it makes more sense to me that the color would indicate each bit. What sticks out to me the most is the red-bordered flames. Each of these red bordered flames is filled with either green or purple(blue/violet depending on the color depth of your screen). My thought was that maybe it could be that green=1 and purple=0 or vice-versa.
  • Following my original thought that the red flames are the message, I have also considered that the inner and outer rows of flames in the border might each represent 0 an 1, respectively (or vice-versa). I have also seen a reference to http://yewknee.com/blog/peter-saville-colour-code/ which seemed like it might be something worth exploring.
  • The glyphs in each of the corners look like Ulam spirals to me. Ulam spirals are used to represent prime numbers. If these are Ulam spirals, then they would each have a value of 17. This caught my attention as it matches the 17 leaves in the painting.
  • Whether or not the glyphs are Ulam spirals, I agree that they might also indicate a direction to read the information in the image. Not just the border, however. I think they might indicate how to read the symbols/objects in the middle of the painting as well. One way that I approached this was to examine the chess board in 5x5 "quadrants"
     at each corner, then trace the path of the glyphs through squares contained within each quadrant. If these are all drawn on the board at the same time there is overlap, but I am not sure if that matters. Hell, I am not sure of anything. Example here: https://imgur.com/a/v1EoS
  • I looked at the *.tif in a hex editor and I found the string "bitcoin mystery 076".
  • I have seen a number of posts where people "zoom and enhance" sections to find characters or hidden imagery. It is obvious that this was done with paint, perhaps acrylic. There may have been other mediums incorporated as well, or other tools besides paint brushes. There are portions that do look like she used the back of her brush handle or another hard instrument. In my experience with paint, especially when applied as liberal this appears to have been, intentionally adding in the tiny details would be more obvious. I think a lot of the details and hidden images people are seeing can be chalked up to artifacts created by brush strokes and color blending/bleeding.
  • Do we know how large the painting is in physical dimensions? Knowing the physical dimensions might give us a better idea of the level of detail to look for. The *.tif is 24"x18".
  • Maybe this whole thing is much more simple than we expect. I am entertaining the possibility that each of the objects might represent a character or series of characters. For example, the black knight/horse could be BK, bk, Bk, bK, k, K, or any of those with "h" instead of "k". Following that logic, maybe the number of flames of certain color might be something worth examining (example, if there are 16 red flames with purple fill, it might be 16rp or something like that).
  • Maybe rather than looking for a private key in its entirety, we should be looking for the variables required to calculate the private private key (base point, prime modulo,
     etc.). I am not as well-versed in the math as I would like to be, so perhaps someone who is could chime in.

Anyway, I just wanted to list out my own thoughts and see if this might light a fuse of inspiration for anyone.