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Re: powered pci-e extenders are largely unnecessary
by
chaosgs
on 09/05/2013, 07:18:42 UTC
Time to clear up the many wrong statements that people are making in this thread. I am the person who made the first powered PCIe extender and who documented why this is necessary: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=44

Firstly, the current drawn through the PCIe slot vary a lot depending on the card. Dual-GPU cards usually draw more than single-GPU ones (contrary to what someone said). Here are some of my own measurements with a clamp meter around the 12V lines of a PCIe extender, while Bitcoin mining:

HD 6990: 4.2 A
HD 5970: 4.1 A
HD 5870: 3.2 A
HD 6950: 2.5 A
HD 7970: 0.9 A

So for example the 7970 (and probably most other 7xxx series cards, but I have not tested them) draws so little power that they pretty much don't need powered extenders.

Also, eroxors, most of your cards are pretty low-end/mid-end. They likely all draw less than 3 Amp or so because your most power-consuming one seems to be the HD 5870 (3.2 A through the slot). Even if you had 4 of these cards, that's only 12.8 Amp total, so only 6.4 Amp per 12V wire of your 24-pin ATX adapter.

But most importantly, whether the 24-pin ATX connector overheats or not depends a lot on whether the Molex Mini-Fit Jr. pins in the PSU 24-pin plug have a single or double spring. You can tell by removing the pin from the plastic housing and seeing if it has one or two pairs of "dots" at the end. This one has two: http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/Small/70090646.jpg The single spring pins (typically used by inexpensive PSUs) have a higher resistance and are more prone to causing the connector to burn out over time.

For example, in my farm of 4x5970 and 3x6990 machines from the old days, I noticed that upgrading from single-spring pins to double-spring pins pretty much made powered extenders unnecessary.

Finally, eroxors, you are right that the memory subsystem of Radeon cards (at least the 5xxx I tested years ago) is powered through the slot, not through the 6-pin or 8-pin power extenders. So Litecoin miners need powered extenders more than Bitcoin miners (at least for 5xxx and 6xxx cards, again the 7xxx series seems to draw so little from the slot, that powered extenders may not be necessary).


This makes sense as to why so many cards burnt up back in 2010/2011 and you see so few (so far none in 2013) now a days (on Bitcointalk). How many amps is safe to pull through the MOBO? Since you seem to be the only person able to acquire these numbers would be cool if there was a sticky with yearly updated information Cheesy.

Im wondering if its safe to have 6 7950's on 1 board no powered extender.
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Where to buy bulk video cards? Or OEM cards
by
chaosgs
on 09/05/2013, 03:06:32 UTC
Im wanting 20-50 video cards to boost my farm. Newegg business doesnt have any bulk offers on video cards and Google doesn't net any results. Surely someone here has bought bulk.

Or where do you get OEM cards at?
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Re: BTC accepted for Solar + Mining?
by
chaosgs
on 09/05/2013, 02:03:40 UTC
Solar is a lot like Satellite TV. When DIRECTV first came out, it was the cool, high-end thing to have. "Get rid of cable" was part of the pitch, but it was no cheaper, and was about $1000.00 just for installation (plus the equipment, which was quite expensive at first). People got it cause they wanted it, not really because of any savings. But then, it started getting cheaper. Eventually, it became a commodity that they install for free, and basically give away the equipment.

Solar energy, to me, is in that early phase. There are a bunch of companies that will install systems, but it is pretty new still, and they can charge a premium. Plus, the equipment is still pretty expensive too. I just had an estimate done for a Solar Hot Water system--JUST the hot water system, and it was 13k. I laughed. But I know that in the not to distant future, there will be huge breakthroughs in the panels, and eventually there will be a DIY Solar Home Conversion kit at Home Depot.

Ronald Regan destroyed Solar's potential when he cut the tax credit instantly in his era, putting huge firms out of business. So its not new, it is not getting much cheaper as it should be. Im not putting the idea down. Im just very pissed off about we are not investing in it more than we should.
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Re: Get an XFX Radeon HD 7850 graphics card and three games for $144.59
by
chaosgs
on 07/05/2013, 06:23:30 UTC
2x 7850 (2048 stream processors)  = 1x 7970 (2048 stream processors)

same but a hell of a lot cheaper!  Wink

Density my friend, density. When you take into account the platform costs [storage space, mobo, psu, cpu ram], costs will be similar.

I disagree sub 850 watt psus are less than $100 while 1000-1200 watts are over $250 that right there covers the mobo psu and ram. Plus the 7850's have better M/hash per $.
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Re: which is the most value for money video card to buy now to mine?
by
chaosgs
on 30/04/2013, 05:11:46 UTC
7950s, hands down.

At what price and model?

7770s' cost $80 with the sale of the crap game = 170ish M/hash  2.125 M/Hash per $1
7950s' cost $270 with the sale of game = 580ish M/hash  2.148 M/hash per $1

BUT PSUs' have dramatic price jumps over 1000 watts. So I believe mixing the 2 cards is best. Also mixing them allows for more rebates to be valid. Also in theory selling them is easier since its targets multiple markets
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Re: How do you guys get GPU's to fit into these X1 slots?
by
chaosgs
on 24/04/2013, 14:41:49 UTC
you not after the extension cables your after whats called a pci-e x1 to pci-e x16 its a full x16slot connecting to a little x1 slot
https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/16581-pci-express-x1-to-pci-express-x16-adapter-new-free-shipping

1x cables are perfectly fine, you just have to cut off the plastic at the back end. A 16x > 1x cable is nothing else than 1x cable with a 16 connector rather than 1x one of the female side, no extra lanes or anything is actually connected. Like someone else said tho, you will probably need to short the detection pins as well.

Thats what I needed to know. But I havent seen it written any where. Thank You.
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Re: Group buy powered PCI-E risers?
by
chaosgs
on 24/04/2013, 14:37:45 UTC
So you got an order for 20 coming? I'll pay you for the extra ones.
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Re: Group buy powered PCI-E risers?
by
chaosgs
on 24/04/2013, 00:34:28 UTC
Careful with the way the supplier wants payment, dont wire anything or money order.
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How do you guys get GPU's to fit into these X1 slots?
by
chaosgs
on 23/04/2013, 16:14:12 UTC
Im not sure how its done but I have read on here that some can get an X16 card to fit into a X1 slot. I also have an X1 extender cable to help. I searched for a guide but cant find one.
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Re: Cheapest and probably best open case rig setup possible
by
chaosgs
on 23/04/2013, 11:36:59 UTC
1550-1750 Watts (depending on room temperature) with 3600 M/hash. When I get more extenders for better air circulation I can start OCING more video cards and will easily get 4000 out of it.


Each rig is actually even on power consumption about 550 watts each.
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Re: Building a mining farm; a few electricity logistics questions
by
chaosgs
on 23/04/2013, 08:35:17 UTC
Dont pull more than 1600 watts per outlet, find 4 outlets lets per breaker. Each breaker at 60 amps can supply 7200 watts, but shouldnt go over 6000 for safety.

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Re: Group buy powered PCI-E risers?
by
chaosgs
on 23/04/2013, 08:30:52 UTC
Im willing to chip in up to half an minimum order.
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Cheapest and probably best open case rig setup possible
by
chaosgs
on 23/04/2013, 08:22:25 UTC
Just throwing this out there because I see a lot of people spending to much on open air rigs.

Cost $40 at Target, cant find it online because their website is shit. Holds 4 rigs with risers and a non riser board on top OR 2 surge protectors. Easy to install, sturdy, and great cable management POTENTIAL (im not wasting my time on that lol).


If your not lazy like myself you can further install a divider on each shelf to hold 2 rigs per shelf. Lots of room for creativity. Im going to decorate mine when I feel like it lol.

http://imageshack.us/a/img189/192/cam00135g.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img267/9219/cam00134.jpg
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Re: What hash rate can I expect from 3 x 7850s?
by
chaosgs
on 18/04/2013, 11:24:42 UTC
I cant get my cards to stay stable at 1100 core clock, so I keep them at 1050. Sucks because they dont go over 70C, tend to stay around 60C.
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Re: Which Ati cards should I buy ?
by
chaosgs
on 15/04/2013, 11:32:23 UTC
I recommend 7850's. Only cost $100 each (I craigslist/ebay the games).

Im going to leave my math here, and head in shame. I just fucked myself out of free money.

2 7850's = $200 = 640 (+/- 20) M/hash
1 7950 = $250 = 540 (+/- 20) M/hash

That is $250 you save per rig. Which ends up covering the cost of another rig to make up M/hash

My 2, TWO, rigs = $1500 with 8 7850's = 2300 M/hash

When I get my riser cables I can add 1 more gpu per board. Which = $1700 at 3,000 M/hash

4 x 7950 = 2200 M/hash = $1350 on same hardware. Or 5 x 7950 = 2750 M/hash at $1600

Please note im calculating the games combo being sold for $50, into the price of both GPU'S.

Its 5 O'clock somewhere.....Errr 5 AM here. Im going to be pissed in the morning when I double check these figures to find out I cheated myself.

ALSO THE 7950'S ONLY REQUIRE 30 MORE WATTS AT DOUBLE THE M/HASH FFS.
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Re: Can someone review this rig?
by
chaosgs
on 15/04/2013, 11:15:06 UTC
Holy hell, I'd be willing to to build you the same rig and get it ready to mine with instructions for $1500.

You got chipped my friend.

But.......Hmm this is a good idea. I should compete with this guy. I can build a much better rig cheaper.
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Re: What hash rate can I expect from 3 x 7850s?
by
chaosgs
on 12/04/2013, 07:01:16 UTC
Oh I forgot the best part. Im pulling 580 watts out of the wall with those 4 gpus. I bought a watt meter to keep tabs on my power. Doing math X3 would prob consume 450 watts.
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Re: What hash rate can I expect from 3 x 7850s?
by
chaosgs
on 12/04/2013, 06:59:26 UTC
Running 2 rigs (soon to be 4 rigs) with 4 7850s each.

Each GPU gets 320 M/hash at 1095 OC. For a 24/7 operation I cant get them to go higher. Also its open air non cased, in front of a window AC unit.....

7850's are the best bang for buck, unless you can get 7950's on sale.
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Re: FREE BITCOIN Sites *and* Free Newbie Lotto
by
chaosgs
on 11/04/2013, 03:57:56 UTC
Crap I missed the lotto
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Re: I need a good place to store my BTC
by
chaosgs
on 10/04/2013, 10:25:40 UTC
Put Linux on another partition and only use it for the Bitcoin client.
*writing windows virus that reads ext filesystems*

the partition could be on a USB memory stick so you could remove it and lock it in a fire proof safe Tongue

even if you got the wallet.dat file you need to decrypt it.

people get hacked by downloading another program (like mining software) that key logs their password.

I like this idea a lot. I'll split it all up among a few wallets and store the bulk of it on an USB. Or is it best to sell while the cost is so high.