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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 13/05/2014, 04:56:05 UTC
Whoops, what a beautiful colour wheel we have at the stats page! Are we trying something new with the diversity of coins? Maybe a higher risk - higher reward tactic, which I do like.

Yes I saw that to yesterday and it looked wonderful and now profit is 0.00430901 BTC/1Mh  Grin
But looks like we are back mining ~50% LTC again this morning, well well I'm sticking with Waffle for the time.
Otherwise I had plans to move my rigs to Coinshift.com.

You're not going to get any better profit margins.
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Re: [ANN][AUTO-SWITCH] Profit-switch auto-exchange pool: CleverMining.com
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cloudrck
on 24/03/2014, 01:43:25 UTC
In my opinion it varies too greatly to be malware. Various OS's, software and routers. It's possible that if they use similar software for it to be exploited, but I'm unaware of whether they use custom or off-the shelf solutions. But MITM attacks have been very popular lately.
DNS hijacking seems unlikely, as that's a pretty massive thing to implement, and if you have that ability you're probably going after bigger fish.
As far as I know, CM and WP are the two largest profit switching pools. So who are bigger fish that I'm unaware of?

But since it can be any network connected device that was infected and remotely controlled the mining machines, there could be a common OS between all infected networks.  I agree that it seems unlikely, but occam's razor here.  The rest of the options seem more unlikely.

In regards to DNS hijacking - if you can do that, you're probably going to go after email systems, banking or credit card, or actual websites including hosted wallets.  It's like being given a space based laser and using it to open your can of tuna :-)
Right, but going after banks would be much harder with higher chances and consequences for being caught. Hijacking mining services are unique, they are very new and a lot less tried and tested than banking systems. With mining services, they can reap large monetary gain with little chance of federal law enforcement. BTW, you also assume the ones responsible aren't also attacking the other services.

As far as the common factor in all the scenarios would be the routers, as all of them out of the box suck security wise. Usually running an old outdated Linux kernel. But how would the attacker pick random IP addresses for such an attack?

BTW this quoting system sucks
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Re: [ANN][AUTO-SWITCH] Profit-switch auto-exchange pool: CleverMining.com
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cloudrck
on 24/03/2014, 01:21:08 UTC
CleverMining has not been hacked. Redirection to 190.xxx doesn't come from the pool - rather something is hijacking your miners and redirects them to a malicious pool. We still have thousands users mining at the pool and we just hit our highest hashrate ever yesterday with 22.5 GH/s average hashrate during the day.

If it was a pool issue, it would affect thousands of users and the pool hashrate would significantly drop instead of rising. The problem affects only small number of users and affects users of several coin-switching pool - it is not limited/related to CleverMining. I am trying to help investigate this issue but at this point there is nothing suggesting that any of the pools were hacked.

Not trying to insinuate anything, but just suggesting...  I apologize if any of these ideas have already been covered, just trying to help.


Is it possible that clevermining was hacked, or at least one of the servers was, but the hack is smart enough to only siphon off a small amount of hash?  Otherwise it would be immediately noticeable when it was implemented.

Granted it appears that other pools were affected as well.  Is it possible that they're using similar backend software that may have been compromised?

Otherwise we appear to have a paradoxical situation.

- it isn't the pool because multiple pools are affected
- it isn't cgwatcher because those without it are affected
- it isn't the miner because people's miners that haven't been touched in weeks or longer are affected (unless it's a virus on the network)
- DNS hijacking seems unlikely, as that's a pretty massive thing to implement, and if you have that ability you're probably going after bigger fish.

I think malware does seem most likely, as if cgminer is open to remote control there is no authentication.  Any computer or device anywhere on the network could scan for and redirect miners.  This way even miners that haven't been touched in a year could still be affected.

Do we have a thread with full details on everyone who has been affected?  All software installed and versions, OS, patches, windows updates on/off, last time any configuration was modified, router, ISP, location, etc?

Do we have any way to reproduce this?  Does anyone with logging enabled have a record of the request?  Is it happening frequently enough to run a network monitor?  Do we know what coin is being maliciously mined?
In my opinion it varies too greatly to be malware. Various OS's, software and routers. It's possible that if they use similar software for it to be exploited, but I'm unaware of whether they use custom or off-the shelf solutions. But MITM attacks have been very popular lately.
DNS hijacking seems unlikely, as that's a pretty massive thing to implement, and if you have that ability you're probably going after bigger fish.
As far as I know, CM and WP are the two largest profit switching pools. So who are bigger fish that I'm unaware of?
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Re: [ANN][AUTO-SWITCH] Profit-switch auto-exchange pool: CleverMining.com
by
cloudrck
on 24/03/2014, 01:03:17 UTC
cloudrck,

You only cherry picked my post and then called me stupid.  I guess, the hackers are doing man in the middle attacks on the entire interwebs..lol...fukkin idiot. Lot of the pools use same codebase and that lovely PHP crap.

This was a hack plain an simple. Quit trying to cover it up.  The pools affected were popped and no ones routers were compromised or other stupidity that this thread is trying to divert attention to.
You seem to see and believe what you want, because no one called you stupid. So it's no reason to argue with you. You're right man, you figured it out detective.
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Re: [ANN][AUTO-SWITCH] Profit-switch auto-exchange pool: CleverMining.com
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cloudrck
on 24/03/2014, 00:45:06 UTC
For safety, everyone should consider doing this on any windows rig:

route -p add 190.97.165.179 {your computer ip}


Also we should flood that IP address with invalid responses and DDoS him  Cheesy
That doesn't help. People who have been affected needs to contact the owner and host of the IP with the evidence.

Why wouldn't that help?

Doesn't help to determine why it's happening or who's doing it, but it will prevent it from happening.
No it would not. You serious don't know how this type of stuff works. You're assuming this IP address isn't a breach server. You're assuming he can't simply change IP addresses and/or server location.

DDoS this guy's servers is childish, aside from being illegal,, Looking up the IP address, it appears to be hosted by an ISP, you're liable to get your IP filtered, then blocked and/or reported.

Report the IP to the ISP it routes to. I would also report it to ARIN. ARIN does not like their IP space being use for malicious activity, especially with the shortage of IPv4 blocks.

clevermining's servers have been hacked.

The peeps running cleverminings servers apparently are not that tech savvy.  All my miners were being routed to 190.xxx and this is from 5 different subnets from 3 different ISP providers.

You don't know what you are talking about, you should read the posts by Kalroth over at the Wafflepool thread
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Re: [ANN][AUTO-SWITCH] Profit-switch auto-exchange pool: CleverMining.com
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cloudrck
on 24/03/2014, 00:30:17 UTC
For safety, everyone should consider doing this on any windows rig:

route -p add 190.97.165.179 {your computer ip}


Also we should flood that IP address with invalid responses and DDoS him  Cheesy
That doesn't help. People who have been affected needs to contact the owner and host of the IP with the evidence.
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 22/03/2014, 14:54:50 UTC

Did something new happend? Why are we seeing this kind of value crash?

Nothing is crashing, the value is going down, then it goes back up. Please, do some research on what a crash is, and then look at how [un]stable cryptocoins have been. People sell in mass quantities, which affect the value, people mine in mass quantities, etc..

I am pretty sure most miners realized alt coin pool profitability would be a flash in the pan as markets have a tendency to eliminate these types of conditions. Going forward i doubt alt coin pools will soundly beat just mining litecoin/dogecoin combo.
I think a lot of miners have no clue what they are doing. The posts in this thread and other forums prove my point. Some have no clue have economics play out, others have no clue technical wise.

Every other post is someone looking at a chart, "OMG" and thinking coin XY is crashing.
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 22/03/2014, 14:47:02 UTC

Did something new happend? Why are we seeing this kind of value crash?

Nothing is crashing, the value is going down, then it goes back up. Please, do some research on what a crash is, and then look at how [un]stable cryptocoins have been. People sell in mass quantities, which affect the value, people mine in mass quantities, etc..

Now is the time to buy bitcoins since it's low.
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Re: KNC ASIC SCRYPT MINER... WHAT???
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cloudrck
on 20/03/2014, 03:51:58 UTC
And they told us Scrypt is ASIC resistant?
Who's "they"? Were any of these developers or just people randomly saying stuff online?
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 12/03/2014, 04:48:10 UTC
Wil, your graphs are not loading on the stats page Sad

sometimes happens but try refreshing...it will be ok

You honestly thought I had not tried refreshing the page?
Or that I had not tried waiting a while and trying again?
Well you didn't try reading and researching why this happens, so it's not safe to assume too much.

The amount of repeat questions by people who don't know what's involved with mining is too damn high.
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 09/03/2014, 00:46:10 UTC
When/if these are ever readily available, we all have to reinvest in new hardware.
Speak for yourself, assuming that these have any impact (I would argue these ASIC's won't be the death of anything), I would just move to mining something more ASIC resistant.
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Re: 80MH/s scrypt farm
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cloudrck
on 08/03/2014, 04:03:11 UTC
It's farms like this that kill us little guys. Thanks for not sharing.
How do you figure?
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 06/03/2014, 03:31:03 UTC
wtf is happening in crypto market???
profit rate falling to ltc maybe below
 Huh Huh
any ideas?

People are starting to realize a crap clone coin made by a kid in his mom's basement might not have any long term value or following... That is the problem in a nutshell. Too many coins and bids are spread too thin combined with a lot of selling. Constant selling.

I will not be surprised if the time of multipools has passed and end up just mining 2-3 coins max. At that point i will just pick the coin i want to mine myself...

LTC, DOGE and some others aren't going anywhere.  Most people know there are crap coins but they also know there are really good coins that are built responsibly and stand to serve a meaningful interest as viable currency.  

The market of constant buying and selling affected by various external influences is what will eventually sink or boost any of the coins.  No sudden epiphany of a few hipsters will ever end crypto currency.  The only thing to fear is action and inaction of the fearful.  Or, more specifically, the massively hysterical.  
Exactly, the market isn't stable because of the floods of copy/paste/sed coins artificially inflating the market value. So when the price "goes down" people panic.
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 05/03/2014, 22:42:11 UTC
@Poolwaffle, nice politically correct answer. Smiley I will not provide you "any meaningful suggestions" as, to be honest, I want you to fail because (and I didn't know when I started mining but I am sure of it now) these 1.0 auto-profit switching pools are pure evil, wrecking the coin markets by operating the way they do.

I hope these pools like yours (and even the 2.0 ones) become even more useless soon when more coins start to implement custom/different protocols requiring modified mining software. We've already seen this with Keccak SHA-3 and Scrypt Jane and the different CPU only coins. I'm only hoping someone won't develop auto-protocol/algorithm-switching mining software then! Wink
But we're taking out the trash by killing copy/paste shitcoins
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 05/03/2014, 15:15:34 UTC
Problem with profitability become apparent when the pool gets too large Sad
Profitability has been the same for me, not sure why people misunderstand how things work

It is the god damn coin market you idiots. not the hash power......does that make any sense!? Oh we have a shit ton of hash but make less.
I'm not sure who you are talking, or even what you are talking about because your post is incoherent, but I know it has little to do with the hash rate.

Incoherent? English not your native language? How is that incoherent?

And there is an obvious QUOTE on who I am talking to.
You were replying to two different posts, one post saying hash power affects profit, the other saying it doesn't. But you only seemed to be making one viewpoint. The first sentence you used you said it was not hash power but the market. Then in your second [incomplete] sentence, you said we have a high hash rate but make less. I'm unsure as to what point you were trying to make.
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 05/03/2014, 15:11:07 UTC
Problem with profitability become apparent when the pool gets too large Sad
Profitability has been the same for me, not sure why people misunderstand how things work

It is the god damn coin market you idiots. not the hash power......does that make any sense!? Oh we have a shit ton of hash but make less.
I'm not sure who you are talking, or even what you are talking about because your post is incoherent, but I know it has little to do with the hash rate.
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Re: Am I right in saying DOGE mining is stupid due to random block reward...??
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cloudrck
on 05/03/2014, 15:07:16 UTC
How about a scam where the DOGE makers mess around with the random number generator, and generate the maximum for all the blocks that they happen to be mining?

These coins are open source, sure, but I wonder if they can screw around with the code pre-compiling?

So basically what you're saying is, you don't understand how mining works at all?
I'm not even sure what he means by the code pre-compiling
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 05/03/2014, 14:59:09 UTC
Problem with profitability become apparent when the pool gets too large Sad
Profitability has been the same for me, not sure why people misunderstand how things work
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 05/03/2014, 14:47:05 UTC
Well done Waffle, you've raped and killed Auroracoin yesterday and the few days before. It's dead for now...and I'm sure you'll blame it entirely on the coin. Undecided
If a coin that is made to be mined, is destroyed by said mining, then that coin was poorly written and didn't deserve to be around. There are enough shitcoins floating around without any innovation and are no more than copy/paste's of other coins that suffered the same fate.
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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cloudrck
on 05/03/2014, 03:29:19 UTC
Hello,

   I have made a terrible mistake by setting the username as incomplete bitcoin address. I have been mining 8 hours with wrong address. The wrong address had 2 letters missing from the end. Now I have fixed this error but what happens to the bitcoins I have already mined?

Wafflepool is not responding to my email, so maybe they can anwer here Smiley

He said he would be out of town until Thursday, so I'm guessing replies will be a touch delayed.  Does the stats page pull data for the incorrect address you used?

no stats, only says "Invalid BTC Address!", but when i was mining everything worked good so the coins must be somewhere out there.
Copy and paste is your friend. Your profits went to expenses for running the pool since you decided to give an invalid address.