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clueclub

on 19/01/2014, 19:02:52 UTC

Quote from: muchdogecpumine on January 13, 2014, 07:57:41 PM

Quote from: smapdi on January 13, 2014, 11:45:21 AM

Quote from: muchdogecpumine on January 13, 2014, 01:57:03 AM

Two posts, no replies to reasonable requests for information. More of the same.

Agreed. I see no reason for any change of plans.

In my opinion, what we need is a John Doe civil lawsuit.

This law firm represented victims in a cryptocurrency class action before. Maybe they would be interested? http://www.gslawny.com/ They have the added advantage of being in the same state as Scryptpools' web host, Digital Ocean.

Quote from: smapdi on January 16, 2014, 04:24:37 PM

Quote from: damiano on January 16, 2014, 04:21:56 PM

I am actually in California, lost 4k Dogecoin...I duno if its worth the time and effort alone on my part for this.. I know some of you lost a lot

For me it's not about recovering any money, just exposing the scammer. As it stands if this keeps happening 1) it's going to become an easy target for scammers and 2) we're never (at least often not) going to know if we can trust the pools we mine with.

If we identify him, not only can we expose him publicly, we can file an Internet Fraud complaint with the FBI. After that I don't really care what happens and I don't expect to retrieve any DOGE.

try contacting the law firm in the link above, they are in NY, and posting your results. damiano seems to be a resident of california, and an active participant of the forums. you could try talking to him before you contact.

smapdi seems to have the attorney contact in california.

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clueclub

on 13/01/2014, 23:29:22 UTC

Quote from: muchdogecpumine on January 13, 2014, 11:14:21 PM

If you don't mind me asking, which of the two did you sell off, the ~2 mil or the ~1.85 mil?

the 2, and it did not/has not sold yet.

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clueclub

on 13/01/2014, 23:19:44 UTC

Quote from: muchdogecpumine on January 13, 2014, 11:14:21 PM

Quote from: clueclub on January 13, 2014, 09:47:20 PM

honestly, i was a little irritated you asked me to show examples. im not sure why i felt that way. i think it was more frustration frothing. i went back to retrace my steps.

I wasn't doubting you, I just wasn't able to find any transfers out with the 4 example addresses I tried. I was going to add "I don't doubt you, I just wasn't able to find one myself to my request". Sorry if my post came across as condescending, that was not my intention. I appreciate the fact that you're one of the people willing to do time consuming blockchain exploring!

no condesention, it was more frustration in the respect i couldn't see why it didn't work the same way with your experience. do you have a cryptsy account?

at any rate, its not out there in black and white, did you see the final wallet my deposits stopped at? just a mere 2 steps from my initial deposit address?

edit:
Number of outputs    2
Outputs
Index    Redeemed at input    Amount    To address
0    8bb07ac97127bed80912    0.0100409    DJfsvLuy2cjbAqZzBqZij189gXNR33wnjt
1    b548bf7f04af9c993584    10000000    DU4wp32x4kvHHqnhPXJ1LnzsS48LedJvbi

so.... me, your scryptpool thief, and poor mr. baby seal.....all use cryptsy.
its why cryptsy didnt reply to your email. half the addys you submitted to them, are theirs.

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clueclub

on 13/01/2014, 21:47:20 UTC

Quote from: muchdogecpumine on January 13, 2014, 07:44:14 PM

Quote from: clueclub on January 13, 2014, 07:18:21 PM

start with your known wallet address, then make a deposit, any amount, into your exchanges deposit address. now follow that on the blockchain. your coins will set there for a few minutes before being transferred out to a house wallet. whoops Sad

I asked a few people on my pool's IRC channel for the addresses they deposited their doge in with Cryptsy. I could see the transactions where they sent their doge to these addresses, but there were no transactions out. I assume that Cryptsy leaves them in the "personal" wallets until they sell them. I didn't see the expected move to a big exchange wallet. Do you have any examples of it working the way you describe? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just haven't been able to find any examples of that yet.

I emailed Coinedup and Cryptsy. Coinedup responded immediately and said that the addresses didn't belong to any of their addresses. Cryptsy gave me a form letter response:

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Thank you for submitting your business inquiry,
Our team will review your request and if deemed plausible we will get back to you.
Please know that we receive a thousand requests daily and only those requests that
appear to be workable will be replied to.

They haven't responded to any subsequent inquiries. Maybe they are too busy. Maybe they know that the Scryptpools doge was dumped on their exchange but they don't want to deal with the controversy. I wouldn't exactly blame them, it's not their fault and there is very little they can do to remedy the situation.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060196/
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)
"Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo." (original title)
A bounty hunting scam joins two men in an uneasy alliance against a third in a race to find a fortune in gold buried in a remote cemetery.

can i first ask, how many deposit address did you check? out of the 2 examples for one account i have, they moved in 24 and 12 hours.

honestly, i was a little irritated you asked me to show examples. im not sure why i felt that way. i think it was more frustration frothing. i went back to retrace my steps.

to start at the beginning, here is the block creation and movement into the pool wallet. http://dogechain.info/tx/84cf2fee7c8b5ec4251b8ef3c38772a9ba0a2f0ffd15ac17604bc22baa2cae50

here it moves from what i believe is the pools wallet, which is not individual but quite mingled, to my cryptsy doge deposit address. http://dogechain.info/tx/39ae2519de0161d2188ec0dd3a11c97a9216fcc2cadaa856f0f7f2cd5be429c2

here is the cryptsy doge deposit address. i posted one sell order, and left the other sit. both moved to another wallet without any action on my part. its part of their internal process apparently. http://dogechain.info/address/DPhEW1xEjQEVJrc9XoiZD8CdSmSovcLRWt

if you follow the 2 mil tx, http://dogechain.info/tx/9f60c3270ea71c69386e5fa2b470c45ab77ab209d3f844f9e94cb0b99aff06b8

it moves to one wallet and sits. http://dogechain.info/address/DDZ1qhnttyHqMhdTyyLLEJg8kndkkYWrLW

being only one other tx, i decided to check it. the 1.8 mil. it makes a move to another wallet as shown by the tx http://dogechain.info/tx/22506de77387bb4175f3fab329379ca80642c09616f1654faa829000d5317f82

from there, that wallet make deposits into a few accounts as seen here. http://dogechain.info/address/DTkRmHuy1LYeTeeZSt3otpPkdC1d1S9hEG

here, im admittedly getting a little lost. in addition to checking the wallet that my 1.8 was sent to, i checked the tx. http://dogechain.info/tx/9288d7fe694b0ada2a419d43a01cabec2084f5fe78f107b4a15926dedeeb5483 Huh

only 2 outputs. and 2 steps away from my initial deposit address.

interesting, no? i guess it makes sense why you didnt get a reply from cryptsy, and you wont without that attorney.

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clueclub

on 13/01/2014, 19:18:21 UTC

something to add for all the junior crime fighters. i wouldnt skim these articles, nor the comments.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/09/05/follow-the-bitcoins-how-we-got-busted-buying-drugs-on-silk-roads-black-market/

then, when you are done there, chew on this for a while. again, the meat is in the comments, and they do go on for quite a while.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SheepMarketplace/comments/1rvlft/i_just_chased_him_through_a_bitcoin_tumbler_and/

and just in case you didnt put it together in the hour of reading the comments, http://www.reddit.com/r/SheepMarketplace/comments/1s2upf/the_sheep_market_scam_address_does_not_actually/

ill be nice and try to summarize. early, early on in the tracking it was discovered that the "thief" was somehow manipulating a btc-e deposit address that was being used by many, many btc-e customers. a user recognized one of the wallet addresses listed by the OP as showing up in HIS chain. as it turns out, the thief dumped the coins onto an exchange and sold them off, early in the chain. so in effect, many people thought they were somehow manipulated into this "scam".

i stated earlier in the thread "thats not how exchange wallets work". i dont think i could have been more wrong. start with your known wallet address, then make a deposit, any amount, into your exchanges deposit address. now follow that on the blockchain. your coins will set there for a few minutes before being transferred out to a house wallet. whoops Sad

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clueclub

on 10/01/2014, 01:10:37 UTC

that was actually my third attempt to recreate the path at this sitting. twice i hit different wallets with parked coins and no sends.

the third time i stuck to wallet links whenever available, only using tx links when necessary.

again, the only link im suggesting is that there is a "path" that ends at a destination provided by the OP.

i suppose you could use the in-wallet message system to contact some of the active accounts.

would it be out of line to ask an advertising game dev, to explain how he spending money out of an account that was described as an investor vehicle? not soo much to prove his innocence, but more to help shed some light as to where his "ownership" ended in the chain. with all those emails and a twitter account, it shouldn't be hard to ask.

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on 10/01/2014, 00:29:48 UTC

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clueclub

on 09/01/2014, 21:02:59 UTC

Quote from: smapdi on January 09, 2014, 08:12:32 PM

Quote from: mitymouse on January 09, 2014, 08:04:02 PM

I am currently working on a spreadsheet that links the two events together through their transactions. I have also contacted one of the mods to see if he is able to help confirm whether this person might be Phonetic.

Nice - I guess I won't attempt the same so as not to do double work but let me know if I can help

you should proceed as it will be good practice. its 46 tabs from the initial wallet listed on the doge forums. follow the 30k transaction for starters. from there follow the money movements. from the git-go, the transfers dont seem normal. there is really only one fork in the road, at one wallet around the 40th tab. and by fork, i mean, there are 4-6 choices for outgoing tx's. all up to that point are mostly single option tx's. money in, money out, 0 balance.

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clueclub

on 08/01/2014, 16:46:31 UTC

Quote from: mitymouse on January 08, 2014, 02:59:06 PM

Quote from: clueclub on January 08, 2014, 02:43:54 AM

Quote from: muchdogecpumine on January 03, 2014, 10:43:23 PM

Please keep replies to this post informative. This thread is not the place for you to promote your pool or mock people who lost doge to this scampool I will update the post with any further information you guys dig up.

the following is from my earlier post.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=404112.msg4374082#msg4374082

im sure someone is chomping at the bit (pardon the pun) to debunk me.

ill try my best to explain what i think i know. i didnt have an account, and the rules restrict me to posting bla bla bla....

so i was researching ideas for a doge coin based game. i ended up at the dogecoin forums. go fig.

they have a crowd-sourcing section, dogestarter. there was one post that caught my eye. a "team" of devs with one game already published and available on the app market. i thought these might be some good guys to try and team up with, so, performing my due diligence, i checked the other posts by this id, as there were only 6. all posts were similar in nature, suggesting skills, upcoming releases, and a donation address. there were like 3 or 4 listed between the different posts. i decided to do some blocksniffing. there were a few donations coming in, mostly small, but they all were sent out almost immediately. hmmm.

i followed one of the larger moves for 30k. that went to a wallet that was empty. 2 transactions. a few hundred shaved off with the bulk transferred to another wallet. hmmm.

this went on and on and on. tx, split, tx, split. i must have went 15-20 pages following along. this was a major deal. im aware of the concept of a tumbler, but this was different. i eventually wound up at a wallet that had over 2 billion doge with few sends. finally, the dragons horde!

after a few minutes in a chat-room, i hear about the scryptpool fiasco and i was given this link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397762.0

the final wallet address is the same one i came to after following the chain, starting with the donation address for these game "devs". ill let you perform your own due diligence and track things for yourself.

start here.
http://doges.org/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=6092

follow those wallet addresses, im guessing they all end up the same place.

if you search for the business name listed by the user id it returns the company website and a linkedin profile for the company ceo. so it appears to me the user id from dogecoin forum is also in control of the 2 billion doge wallet that "stolen" payouts from scryptpool were transferred to.

so, for the ones slower than me.
dogecoin forum
forum id
wallet address match
2 billion doge balance
company website
linkedin profile

ps. i saved all relevant pages, at dogeforum and linkedin in the event they go 404.

whenever there's trouble, we're there on the double.
clueclub

I can confirm this. The trails from both scryptpools and Apsyon Inc follow a similar trend in how they are tumbling and they have both funneled money into this massive wallet address http://dogechain.info/address/D6JicVw8ntX3BW7x2bKAZM5zWuHDskkDWB. This is another address with a significant amount in it at the moment: http://dogechain.info/address/DFygnuv3bKWkL8KUSc87RxjG7xmgZFNZaH

I believe this is the LinkedIn page he is referring to: http://www.linkedin.com/company/apsyon-inc-

The two events seem to be linked or at the very least they are using the same tumbler.

Edit: I have been thinking about this, and with the way these transactions are happening, is it possible that they are both just using the same exchange to dump their currency into?

thx mitymouse! need more people to confirm the trace though.

that was one linkedin page, but not the one for the ceo. google just the business name. start at the dogecoin fourm link. that user id posted 2 donation wallet addresses that lead back to the horde wallet. the user id also posted a company name, that when googled, gives a linkedin account for the business AND an individual. dont google the escrow service, just the business. 2 separate pages. im not posting any links in the event im wrongfully torching someone.

Edit: I have been thinking about this, and with the way these transactions are happening, is it possible that they are both just using the same exchange to dump their currency into?

i dont think so. thats not how exchange wallets work. although a member of the staff could confirm if any wallets in the alleged chain belonged to them.

if you have a stake in this, do the legwork, start checking the block transactions from the links i posted. if you come to the determination that they do in fact lead to your stolen coins, start investigating the business, and the ceo listed by his own linkedin profile. you can sit on your ass and watch someone on teevee solve crimes, or, you can get busy with a spreadsheet and be your own detective. the blockchain is nothing but links, showing transactions and wallet balances. just keep following the money. you will know you are there when you see a ginormous balance and the account #'s match those posted by the OP.

is this thread the "official" complaint thread? how many people were actually victimized? kind of hard to get everyone together with the website down. is the OP still around? is HE leading the charge? if you can save and edit the name of 50-60 webpages to a flash drive, you have the entire case in your hand. thats about 30 for each side of transfers, including the pages that would link said stolen money to a real world person living in new york city. whoops : P

the connection has been confirmed by at least one person.

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clueclub

on 08/01/2014, 02:43:54 UTC

Quote from: muchdogecpumine on January 03, 2014, 10:43:23 PM

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clueclub

on 07/01/2014, 21:36:11 UTC

im sure someone is chomping at the bit (pardon the pun) to debunk me.

ill try my best to explain what i think i know. i didnt have an account, and the rules restrict me to posting bla bla bla....

so i was researching ideas for a doge coin based game. i ended up at the dogecoin forums. go fig.

they have a crowd-sourcing section, dogestarter. there was one post that caught my eye. a "team" of devs with one game already published and available on the app market. i thought these might be some good guys to try and team up with, so, performing my due diligence, i checked the other posts by this id, as there were only 6. all posts were similar in nature, suggesting skills, upcoming releases, and a donation address. there were like 3 or 4 listed between the different posts. i decided to do some blocksniffing. there were a few donations coming in, mostly small, but they all were sent out almost immediately. hmmm.

i followed one of the larger moves for 30k. that went to a wallet that was empty. 2 transactions. a few hundred shaved off with the bulk transferred to another wallet. hmmm.

this went on and on and on. tx, split, tx, split. i must have went 15-20 pages following along. this was a major deal. im aware of the concept of a tumbler, but this was different. i eventually wound up at a wallet that had over 2 billion doge with few sends. finally, the dragons horde!

after a few minutes in a chat-room, i hear about the scryptpool fiasco and i was given this link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397762.0

the final wallet address is the same one i came to after following the chain, starting with the donation address for these game "devs". ill let you perform your own due diligence and track things for yourself.

start here.
http://doges.org/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=6092

follow those wallet addresses, im guessing they all end up the same place.

if you search for the business name listed by the user id it returns the company website and a linkedin profile for the company ceo. so it appears to me the user id from dogecoin forum is also in control of the 2 billion doge wallet that "stolen" payouts from scryptpool were transferred to.

so, for the ones slower than me.
dogecoin forum
forum id
wallet address match
2 billion doge balance
company website
linkedin profile

ps. i saved all relevant pages, at dogeforum and linkedin in the event they go 404.

whenever there's trouble, we're there on the double.
clueclub