Bem, eu saco o máximo que o sistema permite, que é o saldo menos 0.001 se eu não me engano, e mesmo assim sobra alguma coisa na conta. Se o sistema não está conseguindo contabilizar corretamente o valor da taxa, ok, mas isso poderia ser avisado. Ou poderia ter a opção de descontar do valor que eu botei da transação, não do saldo, para conseguir limpar a conta.

Até agora o FoxBit tá só me causando estresse.

Fiz minha conta no FoxFast (não preciso mais que isso), fiz minhas compras, mas não consigo fazer saque integral dos bitcoins.

Eu peço ajuda pelo "Entre em contato".

Recebo e-mail de resposta do endereço fast@foxbit.zendesk.com, nome Alexandre Puga | Atendimento (Suporte | FoXFast),  dizendo que eu estou usando o canal de comunicação da Exchange, e que eu deveria usar o canal de comunicação correto. Depois dessa "correção", vem um texto copia e cola que absolutamente nada tem a ver com o que eu falei. Isso já aconteceu duas vezes.

Basicamente eu não estou conseguindo me comunicar com eles enquanto alguns satoshis estão parados na conta.

Cash-in-hand is good for privacy, but not possible in the internet.

It is true that all bitcoins transactions are public. But if it goes mainstream, and people learn how to use it in order to protect their identities as much as possible, it would be too costly for general monitoring.

All my bitcoin addresses are traceable. I used my bank account to buy my bitcoins and haven't move them around much. But I can create a new wallet for an informal business, receive coins from all over the world and, if I do everything correctly, it would be almost impossible for the government to link my wallet to me. I can even move money from my traceable wallet to my new wallet without the government having a clue I own them both.

Unless, of course, they REALLY want to find me (Silk Road).

Remember that I'm talking about socialist governments here: charging everyone a lot of different taxes in different ways to fund social welfare. I'm not talking about following a specific person.

I have a golden coin burried. A can divide this coin to the number of satoshis that can be mined. But you guys don't know where my coin is and I am to lazy to dig it again.

If someone asks, bitcoin is backed by gold. This sole coin that no one knows where it is.

Another Libertarian Socialist here.

Socialism is not about redistribution of wealth, it's about redistribution of power. Redistribution of wealth happens in capitalism all the time. The reason is because it doesn't make the rich less powerful.

The thing about a revolution is control over production. If people don't manage and own their own place of work, then your revolution will fail (see every state-socialist revolution).

It appears to me that the most advanced large range application of socialism was the short lived anarchist revolution in Spain. And that happened because of managing reasons, not currency distribution.

And so are concentration camps and slavery, depending on the context. The problem here is ethical, not monetary.

Good text, but let me discuss the long run...


What about the next step? If we are capable of having a decentralized currency, shouldn't we thrive for a center-less economy? I don't think socialist governments (social-democratic or communist) and bitcoins can go well together in the long run. The pseudoanonimity of the system may be very bad for taxes once people - the new generation - start to learn how to become anonymous. Unless the government have NSA-tons of computer power, following the steps of every transaction to bust tax evasions would be impossible. And I don't want my government to have NSA-tons of computer power.

Without this taxes, how can any state socialism provide health care and education for its citizens? It can't.

But the citizens, organized locally, can. Centralized states, left or right, is what sustain boss power*. Free from that, people can take control of their local economies and create their own schools and health care systems (and regulation agencies, and planned their own economies, etc, etc, etc).

I'm not saying that cryptocurrency will cause socialism. I'm saying that cryptocurrency will change socialism.

*I know this is polemic. But this is not fringe socialist forum, so I'm not going to explain why a think that. I basically defend that without bail-outs, the police, war, IP and etc. economy would naturally become more horizontal.


Maybe we should care less about Marx, Lenin or Trotsky and more about Proudhom, Bakunin and Tucker. The socialist paradigm should change back to its anti-government/worker-control-of-the-means-of-production roots.

Mercado de arte tá inflado pra caramba pelo que sei (não compro quadros, só aprecio, mas foi o que eu ouvi de gente que entende).

Maioria é meio mais ou menos, mas tem uns quatro quadros ali que eu compraria.

With mind control I could have a reasonably good life doing everything I want (respecting the laws of physics).

But... Spiderman powers...

Tough....

So... what the first page of this thread is trying to say is that a civilized talk between libertarians and the rest of the world is impossible?

Glad to know this isn't true :]

There are cases of using local non-official currencies to help poor communities. Or, better saying, there are cases of poor communities helping themselves using local non-official currencies. How this currency would work depends of the reality of the community and can change from place do place.

Here is a case in Brazil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banco_Palmas

There are many other cases around the world (like Spain, because of the crisis).

The thing about free-market community based solutions is that they don't need external currencies. Maybe a new currency, not necessarily crypto, would work better.

But it is just my opinion. I hope your project works and your community gets out of poverty :]

Realmente, aqui voltou ao ar :]

Porém o erro da senha em branco permanece :[

Não entendi.

Dólar é moeda fiat. O Fed pode simplesmente imprimir e dar pra quem quiser.

Cool!

"China proíbe bitcoin"

Sensacionalismo é uma merda.

Aqui a página não entra desde ontem.

Eu comecei a investir agora e ainda to aprendendo a lidar com todas as instituições do mundo bitcoin.

Eu no momento estou usando o Mt Gox, que foi a única exchange que consegui fazer cadastro para investir fiat.

Gostaria de saber se existiria alguma vantagem em investir usando uma exchange brasileira (B2U, BTF).

Eu vi que o preço de compra é consideravelmente mais alto aqui do que fora (Mt Gox, Bitstamp, BTC-E). Pq isso?

Obrigado.

Imagino eu que o bookchain ignora esse endereço para change, não?

Eu usei esse tipo de site para aprender a usar bitcoin (wallet, transferências, etc).

Agora invisto meu dinheiro mesmo.

Não só eu não trabalho na frente do computador, mas eu ganho muito mais por hora de trabalho e não é investimento ficar clicando no meu tempo livre. Prefiro ir pro bar :]

Acho que vai de cada um mesmo, mas como investimento só vale se for a longuíssimo prazo.