Was umgerechnet über 1200 EURO für die geringe Wahrscheinlichkeit jemals auch nur einen einzigen Penny wiederzusehen? Oh Mann verlorenem Geld sollte man vielleicht nicht noch welches hinterherwerfen..

Eigentlich sollten Sammelklagen ja billiger für die einzelnen Kläger sein. Was würde denn dann wohl erst eine Einzelklage kosten?

Hallo,

weiss jemand ob sich auch ein deutscher Anwalt bereits der Sache angenommen hat? Ich bin fuer die Sammelklage bei diesem Selachi wohl etwas zu spät und denke ausserdem es wäre besser wenn man einen deutschen Anwalt hat.

Does anybody know how exactly MtGox was robbed?
If some MtGox users were indeed able to claim their withdrawals multiple times from their accounts due to the transaction mallebility issue, then MtGox should know which accounts that was, right?
If theses were verified accounts we also should know the real names and adresses of the thiefs?
Even if not, if MtGox would make their history data public (internal withdrawal adresses, time and amount of withdrawn btc, one could find out using the blockchain which transaction were manipulated).

Did you also tried mine? You can click the link in my signature.

I have the Bitcoin Widget from Andreas Schildbach installed on my Smartphone and Prices on MtGox still seem to change from time to time. From two days ago 130.6 to 132.5 today. Strangely enough, a different app, the Bitcoin Checker is showing 135$ What does that mean? Is their Engine still running and they shut down only the website?

vielleicht bin ich ja nur zu doof um das system zu begreifen, aber wer kauft dann am ende die mtgox coins und gibt dafuer richtige bitcoins her??? Die sind bald absolut nichts mehr wert..

Begreife ich nicht. Wie willst du die Bitcoins aus MtGox rausbekommen?

Sunny King's PeerCoin (PPC) is what you are looking for. It uses proof of stake instead of proof of work (Latter is what is called mining).

In simple terms the more money you have, the more money is newly generated for you. The downside is that over time everybody loses a small percentage of money to prevent unlimited money in current.

If someone puts a manipulated client on bitcoin.org with his own source, that is without checking in anything?

If done from a computer of a bitcoin developer, the executable could also be signed valid, so no one will notice the difference.

It would be great some kind of multi key signing would be used, that is, multiple persons have to sign with their private keys to make the signature valid.

Could it happen that an attacker injects malicious code into the satoshi client? For example that all money of the user's wallet is transferred to the attacker (If the wallet is encrypted, as soon as user enters the password). Then the infected client would have to made available for download on official site bitcoin.org.
Even if the problem is noticed within a few hours, the attacker could have gained lots of money, so such an attack would be very attractive for a criminal hacker.
Additional to the damage done to the users, this could do much damage to bitcoin itself, if not even destroying it.

I can think of a lot possible access points for the attacker:

- An attacker could break directly into the source control where the source code is stored and unnoticed injects his code which is then automatically include in the next version.
  But since bitcoin is open source, the attacker should hide its code in a file where people rarely look into or file which at first glance does not look important but are indeed source files

- An attacker could hack a computer of one of the bitcoin client developers (Either through direct physical access or through some trojan)

- The attacker could threaten one of the bitcoin developers and such force his to do what he wants

- An attacker could break into the website bitcoin.org and place his malicious client for download, or redirect bitcoin.org via some dns attack to his own (same looking) website
  With this attack, the checksum of the client won't be ok but how many users will (or even know how to) check that?

This are my greatest fears. Please tell me that these scenarios are almost impossible to happen. So the question is, could this be possible?

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dammit I subscribed a week ago..

But at the end if you think a bit about it.. Why should any producer of ASIC actually sell their products as long as they can use it to mine and gain in one week much more money than the mining device actually costs? They all will all wait until time to ROI > 1 Month, and only after that sell the device. I think this is the reason why orders take so long.

In other words:

Nobody would sell a gold pooping donkey until it gets too old and is about to die...

The table says, butterfly will deliver in september.

Hi folks,

there are lots of sites out there listing mining ASICs, often with wrong/outdated data and it is hard so find out what is actually available.
This is what I've found:

Name                         Price         GH/s  $/GH/s  Notes
5 GH/s Bitcoin Miner    $274           5   18,25      BitForce 5 GH/s SC          Butterfly
25 GH/s Bitcoin Miner   $1249   25   20,02      BitForce 25 GH/s SC          Butterfly
50 GH/s Bitcoin Miner   $2499   50   20,01      BitForce 50 GH/s Miner       Butterfly   
500 GH/s Bitcoin Miner   $22484   500   22,24      BitForce 500 GH/s Mini Rig SC    Butterfly      
Avalon #1                   $1299   65   50,04            
Avalon #2                   75 BTC   65   8,67      Orders Opened On: Feb 2nd, 2013    65 Gh/s    620w@120v AC
Avalon #3                   75 BTC   65   8,67      Orders Opened On: March 25th, 2013       

I have found only Butterfly and Avalon. Are there other Companies already delivering?
It seems that Avalon is getting more and more expensive although GH/s stays the same??? Their website is somewhat unclear, can I still order Batch #1???

Or use mine:

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Does your service still cost 2.5 BTC per month as in the original post stated or did the prices change? I won't scroll through all pages of this thread to find out the newest information..

Aber Bitcoins sind keine Wertpapiere? Ich glaube nicht, das der Typ in dem Finanzratgeber Unfug erzählt.

Das mit Ripple.com verstehe ich nicht, das ist doch nichts schlechtes für Bitcoin.
Im Gegenteil so wie ich es verstehe, kann man damit Währungen schnell und kostenlos ineinander umtauschen, v.a. Bitcoin wird explizit unterstützt, das steht auch ganz groß auf der Website.