The fact that gulden already experienced a microcosmic version nearly 5 years ago of what is now happening with the entire cryptosector tells me that in key ways the entire MUNT/NLG/XFL project, despite "lack of visibility" is actually ahead of the curve in some ways because going forward, less and less people will trust exchanges as a way to acquire and hold their coins despite the continued interest in digital currencies that aren't cbdcs.

 Tether, Gemini, even Binance could eventually pop which would essentially reset the whole market, bitcoin included, providing a brand new basis for the entire industry which could really favor under the radar projects with strong fundamentals, strong tech and the ability to survive without huge amounts of liquidity, which is exactly what munt/gulden/florin represents.

 Once the liquidity does return, the investor saaviness factor will be geared towards finding these exact durable, non-hyped projects of which the entire centure group of coins could very well set the new standard for the future of adoption.

Just look at the respective supply ratios compared to other very recent, overly hyped defi/smartcontract/tokenomics projects that will all continue to collapse if more exchanges melt down. Meanwhile, None of these centure coins are exposed to these outsized risk factors with exchange meltdowns like virtually all of the currently still frothy evaluations of the top 100 in CMC.
 It is not out of the realm of possibility to see these three offerings really set a higher quality bar for digital asset investments in the next 2-5 years.

Neither coin will fail. They will grow in tandem, very gradually, then perhaps will really exponentiate more rapidly down the line.

Many exchanges with native tokens will eventually rugpull just like NCKS. Ridiculously high listing fees will hopefully be a thing of the past due to regulatory oversight and the need to onboard lasting projects with growth potential and new liquidity. Not a whole lot of people used Nocks even in its hey-day but in the event of incremental awareness amounting to new use cases for Gulden and Florin, coins that get "greenlit" on the other side of this regulation-driven bear market will act like money vacuums because of high growth potential due to undervaluation per its comparative supply to other projects that have had more pre-regulation hype.

It was the beginning of the 2022 when bitcoinmeester stopped support due to volume and price spread issues which triggered the bearish trend.

Pretty much all the sell pressure since then has been suuuper low volume bottom dumping due to the broader market crash. Lack of buyer liquidity and interest; the need for use case adoption and low market visibility are the main bearish issues specifically affecting Gulden for the past 4+ years now despite the good fundamental developments, updates and fixes that have occurred.

 NLG definitely needs some new broker services like bitcoinmeester and more general awareness to get back on track. NLG is still available on bittrex.com, abra and stex.com, you can also buy directly from blockhut.com which directly supports the ongoing development which remains uninterrupted since april 2014, over 8 years ago.

More exaggeration and hyperbole. Your figures are erroneous. The premine was spent a long long time ago.

Supply was drastically reduced right as the local top was being put in last spring.

Price action since then has acted as a reset, in a way. So, Gulden is already many months into a new cycle and the bottom is already being put in. Whereas the broader sector is about to go down the same percentage that gulden has already posted.

 Gulden in this way is actually ahead of the curve in terms of where the rest of the sector, including btc, is going.

Gulden's comparatively modest goal of gaining acceptance as a "checkmark" crypto (regulation-compatible) in the Netherlands as a means of payment and a limited issuance digital store of value and growing out from there is now a much more *realistic* and practical goal than all the dumb irrational exuberance hype we heard for over a decade about rendering banks obsolete entirely with btc and a handful of other POW/POS coins like Ether (which had, in effect nearly a 70% pre-mine with the DAO hack code makeover but it still ran up on the coat tails of the same "global alternative to everything" thesis that drove btc).
That "new global payment system" thesis is now getting obliterated. Less than 2% of people even use or hold ANY crypto. With this kind of ongoing volatility in btc, the global adoption btc-maxi narrative is getting its goose cooked right now.

 The reason why it will still take time (probably a few years still) for the Gulden philosophy of blockchain to start to really catch on is that all the ambition, equity, bloated infrastructure  and perma-bullish confidence in the fake promises of btc being a hedge against inflation and the end-all-be-all way to oust the banks is being completely negated right now so investor sentiment has been pummeled as a result.

Thus, Gulden and Florin represent a truly next generation iteration with updated advantages that blockchain and crypto still bring to the table when it comes to a new financial sector.

Again, before this next generation offering starts scaling the real adoption ladder, all the air has to still be let out of the hype-inflated balloon. Gulden (which has good blockchain fundamentals) has functioned for many years on a highly conservative budget which also gives it staying power vs these other way over-evaluated balloon projects which will giveup and fold much faster due to the quick comparative lack of liquidity.

Only the truly resilient projects that can operate at shoestring capacity will survive this phase of regulatory crackdowns. All the hype exchanges could be shutdown and that actually would not negatively effect the functioning status of gulden. Many of these coins only exist because of their wash trading exchange activity because they are just copypasta tokens of ETH, etc. and don't have their own blockchains.

The reality is that gulden needs some kind of an ambassador program that can influence the thinking surrounding legislation around blockchain in the netherlands with NLG and XFL as secure offerings that can receive the increasingly inevitable nterbank/intergovernmental nod of approval.

If Ripple gets that nod in the US, Gulden will most likely gain traction in the Netherlands in a similar way.

By all means, please sell all your gulden thinking nothing more will happen with it.

Just make sure to buy plenty of kleenex for the day when you'll only be able to buy a puny fraction of it back.

The 2.4.11 update loaded very quickly for me (sub 5 min) but I didn't download a new wallet nor did I re-seed the wallet which may have various different load times.

I think that the whole "quality mark for cryptos" notion that Rijk was pushing back in 2018 could actually to come to pass with the coming regulatory crackdowns. The increase in regulatory compliance could spell potentially legendary positioning for NLG and XFL as "check mark" cryptos, ready to receive big money that wants to invest in veteran projects that have hidden gem status but are nevertheless survived the sell-off storm as "approved" cryptos. Neither project got sucked into the defi bollocks, neither project got associated with the nft scams and both projects have only ever been tradeable on highly compliant, relatively obscure, non-leveraged, kyc-aml exchanges.  

Once the tide goes out on 90+% of crypto this go around, I think many to most of the current "top 1000 coins" will literally just dissolve as these "big name exchanges" get the brunt of the regulatory pain coming to the sector. This means the projects that have been developing in obscurity while staying compliant yet under the radar, even on thinnish budgets all along, may actually, in fact, be the strongest to rise on the "adoption" scale in the next cycle.

Are you referring to something on the Slack?

Where is the evidence of this happening? Please post all pertinent information.

Now that a fellow South African owns Twitter, surely Gulden and Florin should be able to appeal to Elon directly somehow at some point.

So the inner core of Centure's work for 8 years on NLG is irredeemably ugly says the guy who now only shills for the Florin, yet another Centure project with the same exact genetics of ugly Gulden? Way to support the parents of these kids/coins. You must have been an abysmal personal trainer with that kind of hasty defeatist attitude. Have you sold that Gulden van yet? Must be a tough thing to have just laying around since you must think driving in it makes you ugly according to your logic?

Same genetics=same disinterest, sorry to say. Unless Gulden receives a fresh face lift, some liposuction and a new dress, so to speak, xfl will also be put in the dungeon

But any new buyer with two brain cells is going to see that xfl is just a clone of gulden with less coins. If they also see that the original project, Gulden, is being treated like the ugly daughter locked away in the dungeon, very few people will take an interest in xfl. Soon they will both be neck and neck on CMC. They need to at least be complimentary, interlocking offerings like NEO/Gas, Theta/Tfuel, etc.

Good price call. Could go even lower really. Would love XFL at around $30. Just 6 months ago it was less than 5 euro so yeah, still possible. As for Gulden, there needs to be waaay more love and compatibility-minded thinking between the Florin and Gulden projects honestly. Marketed together as a complete store of value/nextgen payment/NFT platform instead of separated/disparate/competing projects would make for a much, much better potential ecosystem for more users and developers to start taking an interest.

Gulden has ongoing development and many people including Malcolm still have a stake in it. The price is low because demand isn't there yet and that demand needs to be actively created in order for the impatient dumpers to be replaced by more optimistic/committed/new hands. This process could take awhile but with time treasure and talent anything is possible in the long term.

If, as has been established they are both technically the same, then the updates and developments on one coin can be copied over to the other.  So, no issue there. 
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The issue is that the dev reward for NLG takes up 72% of every block reward ever since the supply cuts and there has not been a lot to show for it other than another coin without such a massive subsidy.

This is nonsense. Gulden needs more exchange exposure, period. 1/3 of the bitvavo funds were already spent on something other than a euro-nlg pair therefore if those remaining funds aren't used for at least some kind of decent exchange listing (xt.com is at least a decent backup after bitvavo) then it is proof positive that Centure is just stealing money from the Gulden dev rewards and using them for purposes other than improving the Gulden project.
Also, how did those gulden funds get converted to BTC for the bitvavo listing in the first place? That's right they were dumped on Bittrex by Centure via Rijk! The sheer hypocrisy of Rijk pointing to "whale dumpers" when literally the biggest dumps over the past year were from the conversion of dev rewards to an exchange listing fund that hasn't even been used accordingly is simply beyond belief.