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Re: [Help]Small mining farm airflow problem
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cryptostashman
on 14/08/2021, 23:56:27 UTC
The s9 fans are rated for 250CFM, not 200.

This rate is for 6000RPM fans?
Because I have experienced a lot of orders from alibaba of fake Delta/Nidec fans which can't surpass 4200RPM.

I don't know does the room size matter? I'm thinking about the air volume.

One important piece of information which you need to consider would be the difference in pressure between the two rooms, the split room design is good but it's hard to work with when it comes to air pressure, I don't know the exact setup of your farm but if I understood you correctly I believe you might have to increase the exhaust and reduce the intake.

One way to confirm this would be making a small hole in the outside wall of the hot room, and then place a piece of paper on it (from the inside), if the hole sucks the paper then you are good, if the paper is pushed to the inside (which is what I believe to be the case) then you need to balance the pressure.

The thing is I made a small piece of manhole that's being held by silicon adhesive. I opened it few days ago and tried doing a similar test like what you asked (sorry didn't see it ahead of time).

The test was, I was holding a small piece of paper and tried bringing it near to the suction fans. And they were sucking the air but the movement of the paper was being a bit strange when I bring it to the edges of the fan. It was like a mixed movement of suction and discharge. It's like the exhaust fans does need to take from an outside air a bit of air to compensate the air they need to suck (I'm not sure about it).

But I definitely notice when I opened the manhole and the hot air returned to the cold room, the miners' fans sound/noise changed. Since the fans now has enough suction.

I'm thinking now to add one more swamp cooler. But I'm afraid that it won't be enough. But based on the calculations, the 2 swamp coolers should have been enough.
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Re: [Help]Small mining farm airflow problem
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cryptostashman
on 05/08/2021, 08:52:30 UTC
You HAVE to add more air to the intake side, if you can't do that on the walls, simply use the roof, if you can't, then you have to reduce the number of miners, there is really no workaround to by-pass physics.

I thought about that too. That's why on my second farm I increased my intake air of the room. But I'm confused. The only thing about the computation that I'm not sure of, is the antminer s9 fan intake CFM. I based my calculations that an S9 14th/14.5th can intake 200CFM per unit ( I read that somewhere in the forum few months ago) but I think fans at 100% full speed draw a lot more than 200CFM.

Cuz in the second farm my intake air is around 12,000 CFM, and let's say 45pcs S9 intake at 200CFM each that's 45x200= 9000CFM there should be 3000CFM which won't be replaced in a minute (based on the equation).

If you have any idea about how much air does an S9 Fan at 100% full speed suck kindly guide me.

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[Help]Small mining farm airflow problem
by
cryptostashman
on 04/08/2021, 19:53:36 UTC
Hello dear community, I am new miner with 2 small farms now. First farm includes 45 antminer s9 (mixed) and 15 cheetah miner F1 20th.
This farm is divided into 2 parts (cool room and hot room).
Total room size is 7mx3m and a height of 2.5m. The cold and hot sides are separated by an mdf wood with the miners exhaust fan exiting to the hot side. The cool room side size is around 4x3m, has an evaporative cooler the one used in green houses with a size of 2m x 1m (this is my only suction of cool air).

This farm was my first ever built farm. With 30 Antminer s9 as starters everything was fine. When I added the rest, I faced a problem where the hot air exhausted to the hot area is going back to the cold area from the small holes where the miners exhaust fans are inserted.

I tried too many things, tried increasing my exhaust fans to a total of 13,000 cfm but no help. The other fans keeps slowing down their rpm. Tried putting the same fans to suck more air from the evaporative cooler but still some of the fans loose their speed because some of the suction is coming from the inside of the room. I somehow think that my suction opening is smaller than it should be. But I have no choice I can't increase the size of the suction wall (as of what I think).

The same thing happened to me with the second farm which has 45 antminer s9 in a total area of 5mx2.5mx2.4m height which this room was divided into 2 exact areas for the cold and hot room. With an inlet automatic coolers which can supply around 12,000 CFM of air with temperature between 28 to 35 degree Celsius With an exhaust fan of 8000 CFM and another 4200 CFM.

I really hope someone can guide me with what to do to improve these farms cuz a lot of the miners are being affected because of this returned hot air specially with the weather here reaching 45°C ambient temperature.
Or even how to calculate the correct room size /suction/exhaust/etc. For my other coming projects.

Thanks a lot.

I will include some pictures in the coming days to visualize more about the farm.
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Re: من اين نحصل على اجهزة الاسك
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on 14/02/2021, 00:57:37 UTC
السلام عليكم، ممكن اعرف من وين اقدر اشتري اخ @mikeywith??
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Re: My first mining project / mini-farm
by
cryptostashman
on 13/02/2021, 18:32:49 UTC
Do you happen to know how much is expelled by the antminer s9?

Since the dimensions of the fan are identical to 17/19 series, you 'could' assume 250cfm (500 / 2), however it's just a guestimate.
So I think assuming 270cfm would be a safe number.
Assuming I have this number, for 50 miners that would be 270 x 50 = 13,500cfm.
Assuming every miner burns 1450W, I saw an online calculator to calculate the W to BTU/hr which is 1W=3.412BTU/hr ( I don't know if this is correct.)
So 1450W x 50 x 3.412 = 247,370 btu/hr.
I don't know if this is correct or not.

But if anybody knows how to calculate to get rid of this heat please help me. In the summer the ambient temperature here reaches upto about 49 degree Celsius sometimes.
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Re: My first mining project / mini-farm
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cryptostashman
on 12/02/2021, 17:26:20 UTC
Can you share the calculation for the airflow of the room? I'm planning to do a familiar farm.
But mine will have some swamp coolers (since my area reaches outside ambient temperature of upto 48 deg Celsius in the summer).

For 17 / 19-series Bitmain, expect up to 500cfm of expelled air per miner (credit @philipma1957).

So if you're running 20 of the above, your exhaust fans need to be capable of moving 10,000cfm (20 x 500). You should consider also that the exhaust fans may lose efficiency over time (e.g. as dust builds up on the blades) so it would be sensible practice to allow a margin on top of this (so 10,000cfm + 15% = 11,500cfm for 20 miners).

Depending on the country, the fan capacity may be quoted differently e.g. meters per minute or meters per hour - but there are plenty of calculators and formulas online to convert into cfm.

Do you happen to know how much is expelled by the antminer s9?
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Re: My first mining project / mini-farm
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cryptostashman
on 05/02/2021, 21:30:27 UTC
Initially I used 4 x 400mm / 16” fans, however I later upgraded these to larger and higher quality 450mm / 18” fans due to a miscalculation of airflow.

Can you share the calculation for the airflow of the room? I'm planning to do a familiar farm.
But mine will have some swamp coolers (since my area reaches outside ambient temperature of upto 48 deg Celsius in the summer).
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Re: (WTB) USED MINERS LIKE S9/S9i/S9J, Avalon 8/ Series
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cryptostashman
on 02/02/2021, 21:55:14 UTC

Hi I'm unable to pm you, have some listings for s9 miners
You can pm me now.
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Re: Q: Most reliable SHA-256 Asic Miners
by
cryptostashman
on 31/01/2021, 13:00:47 UTC
@cryptostashman
See my reviews/guides for Avalon, they are not too hard to setup and operate.
Would definitely look into it. Thumbs up 👍.

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What I do is:
 burn a micro SD card
 change your PC LAN connection to use 192.168.0.101 or any address on the 192.168.0.xxx range EXCEPT for .100
 plug in the micro SD card and fire up the controller with it
on PC log into 192.168.0.100 and change pool and user settings to what you want
 change from static to DHCP or set a different static address (I prefer DCHP)
 Save and apply changes
 Power off controller
 remove SD card and plug back into card reader
 read card and create an image file with the new setup
 Then use that new file to burn cards for your other controllers

Plug sd cards into controllers and power up
Now being DHCP look for the controller on your router and log in to check miner operation
Thanks a lot for the details. Honestly, never had my hands on one but since being an IT guy, I would say it won't be that hard specially with your instructions.
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As for temps, the Avalons have a few ways to deal with that. In the more options field you can use --avalon8-temp <nnn> to have them throttle back to hold at any temperature you want. I've ran mine up to 42C ambient temp without using that temp limiter with the miners reaching 105C and no problems.

Just refer to Hagss setup guide for the A8's and you should have no problems.
That's great, if it runs perfectly @42 it's perfect. I won't let the room temp reach it. Will have some swamp coolers to cool down the area. According to some basic designs, it won't. Unless I'm missing something. I really don't know how much heat will be created by the miners (don't know the calculations) but I think for an area of 90m^2, 2 to 3 swamp coolers with both cold and hot rooms fully isolated will do the job to keep the room cool during the summer where outside ambient temp is around 45c.
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(WTB) USED MINERS LIKE S9/S9i/S9J, Avalon 8/ Series
by
cryptostashman
on 31/01/2021, 08:07:12 UTC
I am looking to buy old miners like the S9 series of bitmain (except the K and SE) , Avalon miners Series 8 (821, 841, 851)/ Series 9 (any model), bitmain L3/L3+/L3++, innosilicon Sha256 miners

You can also contact me thru Telegram : @cryptostashman
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Re: Q: Most reliable SHA-256 Asic Miners
by
cryptostashman
on 30/01/2021, 15:11:30 UTC
yes grab those 821's they are decent gear.  good price. they use 100 watts a th

so 11 of them is about 100th and uses 240kwatts at day

Aren't they 11.5th @ 1200W?
Or these are another marketing numbers?

Where can I get a good deal of the 821s with bulk order?


Newer gear has a second issue all the psu's are bespoke ie they must be a perfect match or they do not work.

the Avalon 821's do not have this issue. any 1600 watt or larger 12 volt psu should be good.

This is a very helpful info. I really didn't know this, since I have been reading about old gears they seem all familiar with the 6-pin connectors.

Side thoughts.
I have found that some gear is more temperature sensitive then others.
This might be a small problem for me as the temperature in summer here reaches upto 47 degrees. Celsius. Yes you read it right. But I think I can compensate it by adding an AC if the swamp coolers don't do a good job (but I think they can do a pretty job) I got a friend which has a mixture of gear like s9, L3++, and some s19s. I would be doing the same cooling setup, but the thing is according to the datasheet of the avalons, their max temp is rated @40 degC, while the bitmains are mostly 40.

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Bitmain / Whatsminer are more plug and go. Avalon which I do like better and do find more reliable does tend to require a bit more setup knowledge.

Do you mean like the array connection of the miners using the AUC3 cables, AUC3 converters, and the controller? Or are there more to it?
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Re: Q: Most reliable SHA-256 Asic Miners
by
cryptostashman
on 27/01/2021, 12:44:14 UTC
I tested a851/a852 they sucked do not get them.

a841 are very good.

and s9 is good.

if you have a deal for the a921 and have 240 volt power there is a seller of really good psu in the marketplace.

it will do 2400 watts at plat levels.

7empest is the seller.

Noted.
I Lost a deal with the 852s.
Currently I have a deal with 821s but they're too old. But price per Tera is so cheap that makes me think of taking the deal, and whatever I save from the difference of my other deal with s9js would give me the chance to purchase the latter.

Short answer:
If you are looking for reliability, durability and stability, my order would be this (from best to worst):

Canaan>Whatsminer>Innosilicon>Bitmain (with exception of S9 and maybe S19 units).


Long answer:
I've had very few of Canaan and Whatsminer units, but they were always reliable and I never RMA-ed a single one. Everyone I knew who used these had really good "luck" with reliability compared to Bitmain.

Innosilicon is a bit different story, I've had a tad bit more of units that went through my hands or that I used personally. They were all really good and with exception of one T2T's PSU giving me blue smoke after solid 2 years of working (tho it was put through hell - it was used in miner oil a few times, then it was OC-ed to maximum "Performance+" mode during summer)

Bitmain is a complicated one... S9 were really good for me and everyone I knew personally. Out of 100 units that I had and later sold locally, they are ALL still working with OC (using exactly 1.8kW or less - depending on PSU). X11 and X15 were short series not worth mentioning. And then came X17 series, pure hell of units, I've had 75% failure rate on them. S17e was only unit that didn't break even through OC during summer. S17/S17Pro/S17+ all broke even if they were used on factory settings or underclocked. I would never recommend anyone to buy that generation of miners. X19 seems to be better, but more time has to pass so we can determine exact failure rate on them.


This is a very good information. Thank you a lot for this.
I think I accept the fact that Canaan is a better choice, and the good thing is it can save wiring Lan cable because of the array style it's using.

My only problem now is to look for another offer from the suppliers since the 852s might not be the choice now. I'm thinking since I have a very cheap rate and a good supply of power I can still mix my farm between 821s 841s and s9js if I can get my hand on a very cheap 821s.

Yesterday I had a deal for 821s @85 CAD.

if I had to choose one gear in the world it would be Whatsminer M21s but since that isn't in your list I would go with the S9.

With that being said, the Avalon 841 and the Bitmain S9 are pretty similar in terms of efficiency, so between the two, it would be a matter of cost per terahash.
My list is open since what I care is reliability + cost/Tera.
I might be open to whatsminers too.
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Re: Q: Most reliable SHA-256 Asic Miners
by
cryptostashman
on 25/01/2021, 22:41:15 UTC
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So my question now is which is the better option of hardware that is reliable enough with less maintenance and problems.
Then that would be the Avalons. Over the past few years I've ran several dozen of them from A721's on up to the latest: Zero major problems and just 3 dead fans. Frankly I doubt any other make is more reliable.
Thank you for the information.

Well, if I'm to choose from A841, A851, and A852.
Which one should I get?

Specially I can't find deep information about the A852.

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Only one I would say to avoid is their A921 series and that is just because the 841's can be made to be just as efficient in power/hash rate. It also uses a larger fan that can be rather hard to find a replacement for.

But if I found some cheap ones which has less $/TH price.  Would I buy them? Let's say I found A852 for $200 that's around 13.33$ per TH, and I found A921 for $240 which will be valued @ $12/TH.
Is it worth it to save more with the A921 and deal with the maintenance or no?
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Re: Q: Most reliable SHA-256 Asic Miners
by
cryptostashman
on 25/01/2021, 18:32:32 UTC
I'm sorry I corrected my post.

It was a mistake while converting my currency to usd.

It's 2.5cents per kwh

That's more like it Smiley

For an S9:
https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/bitcoin/calculator?h=13.50&p=1350.00&pc=0.03&pf=0.00&d=20823531150112.00000000&r=6.25000000&er=1&btcer=34366.17000000&ha=TH&hc=2407.00&hs=0&hq=1

So, basically $1.8/day net profit... Take the price you'd pay for the S9 + PSU + S&H + import duty + ... and divide the sum by $1.8. You'll see the the amount of time (in days) you'd have to mine to recuperate your hardware investment. If you trust the diff to remain stable, the price not to drop and it's before the block reward halves, you might have a shot at making money...
Some people also include the resell value of their hardware in this calculation... But be carefull: these ASIC's tend to break after a while... You don't have any guarantee you'll have something to resell in 6 months...

Actually we did the calculations, and since rental is not a problem since my partner is the owner of the place.

And we are accepting the fact that bitcoin might dip in the near future. And we found out that our investment can have a 3 to 4 months roi. Since when btc dips usually the difficulty will drop. And we are planning for a long term holding btc.

So my question now is which is the better option of hardware that is reliable enough with less maintenance and problems.
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Re: Q: Most reliable SHA-256 Asic Miners
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cryptostashman
on 25/01/2021, 13:39:52 UTC
I'm sorry I corrected my post.

It was a mistake while converting my currency to usd.

It's 2.5cents per kwh
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Q: Most reliable SHA-256 Asic Miners
by
cryptostashman
on 25/01/2021, 13:28:58 UTC
Hello all.
I am totally new to Asic mining, I used to mine on a gpu rig at home 3 years ago, but never had the attention to use Asic miners because of their high prices and unavailability in my country.

Currently I received an offer from a friend to start an asic mining farm since he have an access to very cheap energy (around 25 cents per Kw)
 of upto 250KW.

So efficiency is not a problem here.

I found out that old Asic miners a lot cheaper these days than before, but I'm struggling to choose from a lot of manufacturers like bitmain, Canaan, innosilicon, Aisen, etc.

Doing some research I found out that maybe Canaan has a good review of users, but bitmain is more easier.

Anyway, my targets are old S9's, Avalon 841, 851, 852, Aisen A1, innosilicon T1, T2, etc.

Those which are cheap ASICS.

I wanna know which asic should I go with?

My target is cheaper cost with higher TH and reliable equipment.

Minimum 10TH to 40TH.


I hope I can find the help here.

If anyone has a reliable seller too I will be glad to contact them.

Thanks alot.