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I've been doing ratings for the past two rounds, and I wanted to draw attention to the ratings system for writers who may not be familiar with it (I haven't been keeping up with the thread for the past few weeks, so if a similar post was made-- well, I guess I wouldn't be sorry because it's an important subject). This influences whether you are actually getting paid one share per thousand words, or less. This is the standard devtome rating rubric (http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devtome_rater#rating_method). It has just CHANGED, and weights links and references for non-fiction article at 30/99 instead of 10/99. While we use an article as an example, the AUTHOR is also being rated.
I've noticed that even when I'm finding really neat articles, I end up docking them a lot of points because of the lack of links and references, and pictures. No links, references, or pictures? Bam, minus 39 points (used to be minus 19 points), right there. It takes a little extra time, but going through and putting in some links to resources, or articles that corroborate or contrast your opinion, and giving sources for your facts is really useful and important. How do we know where all your figures are coming from, otherwise? This is a hypertextual medium, and I'd encourage writers to take advantage of it. Adding a couple of pictures (you can find CC-BY-SA pictures at commons.wikimedia.org or via the search feature at creativecommons.org) also gives you up to 9 more points. Do yourself a favor.
On the other hand, don't rely on sprinkling in a few links and pictures to raise your rating. If I'm assigned an article that's a typo-laden, short-hand outline (which happens fairly often), I'm going to rate accordingly.
I just want to put this out there so people who are writing good stuff can maximize their earnings.
I've noticed that even when I'm finding really neat articles, I end up docking them a lot of points because of the lack of links and references, and pictures. No links, references, or pictures? Bam, minus 39 points (used to be minus 19 points), right there. It takes a little extra time, but going through and putting in some links to resources, or articles that corroborate or contrast your opinion, and giving sources for your facts is really useful and important. How do we know where all your figures are coming from, otherwise? This is a hypertextual medium, and I'd encourage writers to take advantage of it. Adding a couple of pictures (you can find CC-BY-SA pictures at commons.wikimedia.org or via the search feature at creativecommons.org) also gives you up to 9 more points. Do yourself a favor.
On the other hand, don't rely on sprinkling in a few links and pictures to raise your rating. If I'm assigned an article that's a typo-laden, short-hand outline (which happens fairly often), I'm going to rate accordingly.
I just want to put this out there so people who are writing good stuff can maximize their earnings.
I'm only following the rating system loosely when rating articles. My scoring has been based on page and article formatting, grammar, sentence and paragraph structuring, along with the number and frequency of bullet points. Items noticed or looked for include a proper opening or introduction to the main body of text, a clear coherent flow of information, and the depth of the information upon the page.
If the page being scored is currently being worked on, my rating will tend to be based off of two other articles picked at random. My rating score is not affected that much by links or references as this skews the scoring away from original creative work that are stand alone web pages IMO. Scoring based on references at the suggested 30% of total score heavily skews the results/rewards/future content from non fiction to fiction. However the use of references and links are noted and do lean me towards a higher score, but not at the 30% level.
Where as non fiction delivers information, as long as it isn't opinion, fiction mainly is to entertain or just an exercise that a writer does. The scoring on my rating pages reward those who have put out hard earned information, comprehensive pages on a topic, or fiction that has kept me reading.
My rating does not reflect other articles by the writer, that is not to say that their other work wasn't looked at, but that a writers score was based upon the random page provided by the script. The point for writers, or anyone in any field to remember, is that any one is only as good as their worst piece of work.
The goal on Devtome (for writers) is to provide an opportunity for people to earn currency in exchange for their creative efforts, yet they must be graded against other writers so as to provide incentive for good writers, and for writers who have specialized knowledge, and also to ensure that writers who aren't meeting the standards do not skew the share distribution within devcoin between developers and writers. Writers are needed for the devcoin project to maintain momentum and interest, but to maintain that velocity and integrity, rating is essential to ensure that writers raise their standards and look at their work critically.
I agree with Notabot. I am following it loosely, images don't work with some things (like fiction stories unless you draw them yourself) I don't want to penalize someone for that. I do look for grammar, spelling, etc and plagiarism of course. If it is a non-fiction, I look for backing information and links, but I don't pay much attention to how I feel about the article so much as if it is a good article or story. I don't think I should penalize the author just because it was something that didn't catch my fancy or that I wasn't interested in.
Please add Devcoin (DVC)
+1
Would love to see Devcoin on there!
Hi Melodiem.
I don't know if you are unaware that I follow both threads or that I run the coinzen.org server but you've got to be kidding about some of this stuff.
Yes, being unable to explain "What is this?" and "What does this do?" while simultaneously saying "but we will be accepting your coins" does make it look like a blatant scam.
Which moderator - because it wasn't me that you asked. Right now I'm the only one until boards are divided up - other than the giveaway forum and what folks set up for themselves. Second, huge image huh? You mean the one bittzy posted? http://coinzen.org/index.php?topic=70.0. Is your monitor from the 80s?
But you should probably know that we did this project where we made it so you can moderate and set people up to be moderators in your own threads. There is nothing stopping you from making yourself a moderator and deleting that post. Heck, you could even edit it and put in any picture you want! Hell, if you wanted to you could even ban me from the thread. It's ok, you can't work a forum, but you can plan out a giant fund to manage ~$100,000 a month. There's nothing suspect about that at all. Why would anyone want to ask you questions! Clearly you've got a keen sense of awareness and uncanny control over your surroundings.
Second, there most definitely was not a conversation happening. I was trying to engage you so you could explain what you scribblings and ramblings meant in an attempt to add clarity to a murky and convoluted topic. You took it as an attack despite my best efforts to massage your bruised ego (Because questions are hard, right?). Honestly, i don't care if your project takes an hour or lifetime. If it doesn't deliver it doesn't deliver. Your effort did not translate in to value in the form it was/is in. Don't take your frustration out on me for asking questions about the giant holes in your "plan". If it came across my desk in a professional or academic sense you'd be sent away to do it again, asked why we are paying you, or be moved to a new position with less responsibility.
When you have an idea you absolutely do have to defend yourself. You have to show you aren't a scammer by answering questions. Who cares if it makes perfect sense to you. It everyone else you have to convince. But goddamn I wish you could understand how difficult it is to trust the person who thinks "converting dvc to btc is complex" with an entire organization, process and project that revolves around creating a parallel system. I truly know the irony is lost on you. I wish you could experience it.
Never once were you accused of being a scammer. It wasn't until you responded to questions with hostility that it began to look that way, honestly put a tampon on it. Stop exporting your insecurities on other people and Get off the cross.
I don't know if you are unaware that I follow both threads or that I run the coinzen.org server but you've got to be kidding about some of this stuff.
I abandoned the discussion because anyone following it, would get the immediate impression the moderator thought it a waste of time and possibly even some dodgy scam.
Yes, being unable to explain "What is this?" and "What does this do?" while simultaneously saying "but we will be accepting your coins" does make it look like a blatant scam.
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I also asked the moderator to take the HUGE image in the middle of the discussion down (or at least make it smaller) as I felt it distracted from the conversation for anyone following. I suspect the reason it is still there, is that it supports the moderators comments, not your joke. (which by the way, I would have found funny if I wasn't already feeling like I had to defend my honour as NOT a scammer hitting people up for money, over a discussion I tried to start)
Which moderator - because it wasn't me that you asked. Right now I'm the only one until boards are divided up - other than the giveaway forum and what folks set up for themselves. Second, huge image huh? You mean the one bittzy posted? http://coinzen.org/index.php?topic=70.0. Is your monitor from the 80s?
But you should probably know that we did this project where we made it so you can moderate and set people up to be moderators in your own threads. There is nothing stopping you from making yourself a moderator and deleting that post. Heck, you could even edit it and put in any picture you want! Hell, if you wanted to you could even ban me from the thread. It's ok, you can't work a forum, but you can plan out a giant fund to manage ~$100,000 a month. There's nothing suspect about that at all. Why would anyone want to ask you questions! Clearly you've got a keen sense of awareness and uncanny control over your surroundings.
Second, there most definitely was not a conversation happening. I was trying to engage you so you could explain what you scribblings and ramblings meant in an attempt to add clarity to a murky and convoluted topic. You took it as an attack despite my best efforts to massage your bruised ego (Because questions are hard, right?). Honestly, i don't care if your project takes an hour or lifetime. If it doesn't deliver it doesn't deliver. Your effort did not translate in to value in the form it was/is in. Don't take your frustration out on me for asking questions about the giant holes in your "plan". If it came across my desk in a professional or academic sense you'd be sent away to do it again, asked why we are paying you, or be moved to a new position with less responsibility.
When you have an idea you absolutely do have to defend yourself. You have to show you aren't a scammer by answering questions. Who cares if it makes perfect sense to you. It everyone else you have to convince. But goddamn I wish you could understand how difficult it is to trust the person who thinks "converting dvc to btc is complex" with an entire organization, process and project that revolves around creating a parallel system. I truly know the irony is lost on you. I wish you could experience it.
Never once were you accused of being a scammer. It wasn't until you responded to questions with hostility that it began to look that way, honestly put a tampon on it. Stop exporting your insecurities on other people and Get off the cross.
I think you took her posts the wrong way there bubba
Bots are generally closely guarded secrets because they're so powerful. They take away the emotions of trading, so you can set a strategy and just let it go
I am seriously uncomfortable with the entire thing, to write for Devtome forces me to become a currency trader, something I wouldn't do in any other environment to get paid for my work. I suspect a lot of newcomers are going to be challenged by it as well so a bot would be awesome and might make this just a little less traumatic for some of us
If you are able to make one for commercial sale, would it ever be affordable for a writer or developer being paid in DVC?
I may be able to write up a quick PHP implementation of the EMT volatility bot, and people could deposit their devtome DVC and the bot could trade their DVC online. Shares of the trading profit could be sold as well, which would give Hunterbunter another six shares too!
I would rather have a python version myself so I can watch it in a console rather then having to rely on a web server and connection to it through a browser or what not to run it.
the fees on this exchange (crypto-trade) are 0.2%, so if the trading range for the bot is 1%, the bot still makes 0.6% per cycle( 0.2% up+ 0.2% down would account for the other 0.4%)
oh I know I do it by hand, Mark got me started on it, I haven't taken the time to do a bot yet and really recently it's been kinda level for DVC though it is getting closer to my buy limits Would be nice to see a good bot script open sourced, that wasn't just a shotgun bot. The earlier algo posted looked interesting too, would be nice to see that transformed into Python... So much to do, so little time! bots may make the trading game interesting for the most part.... the example of what i think may be a bot trading pattern, didn't change the average price, or the overall trend. what i would worry about with a bot, is if somebody comes up with a bot that consistently moves the price up or down on a certain coin, and uses it to gain leverage.... if that were to happen with regular stocks and bonds. it would be illegal....
what it looked like to me on the graph i posted, was a bot doing trades within a very narrow trading range at low volumes, but enough to skim a small percentage off of each trade, which, accordint to the volume graph is probably "small potatoes", but probably a significant margin for the person running the bot.... turning a few hundredths of a DGC into a few tenths of a DGC in the space of two hours. it also may only work on a small scale because of the effects of volume.
what it looked like to me on the graph i posted, was a bot doing trades within a very narrow trading range at low volumes, but enough to skim a small percentage off of each trade, which, accordint to the volume graph is probably "small potatoes", but probably a significant margin for the person running the bot.... turning a few hundredths of a DGC into a few tenths of a DGC in the space of two hours. it also may only work on a small scale because of the effects of volume.
Also don't forget the fees
I am working on something, but I am not sure it is what you all want since every time I bring it up there are 5 different ideas about what it should be. it is at http://dev-co.in/bounties.php. It isn't anywhere near done yet and I don't have time tonight to work on it more, maybe tomorrow!
it is at http://dev-co.in/bounties.php. It isn't anywhere near done yet and I don't have time tonight to work on it more, maybe tomorrow! Ok, so I lied I worked on it a little tonight. You still have to log in with your devtome id if you want to see anything, but tomorrow I will work a little more on the back end and the flow a little more.
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now has been updated with the armory wallet and some changes have been made to claimed bounties. As more and more bounties are being added, the page gets a bit cluttered. Is anybody working on a bounty engine, and should there be a bounty for the bounty engine?
Yes
Thank you!
The block explorer shows that I have the coins, but they are not in my spendable balance according to the -qt.
Would exporting the privkey, deleting the wallet.dat, and then importing the privkey work?
Would exporting the privkey, deleting the wallet.dat, and then importing the privkey work?
Yes
Thank you!
I am working on something, but I am not sure it is what you all want since every time I bring it up there are 5 different ideas about what it should be.
it is at http://dev-co.in/bounties.php. It isn't anywhere near done yet and I don't have time tonight to work on it more, maybe tomorrow! Is anyone else having a vircurex glitch?
Thanks,
-AM
Thanks,
-AM
LOL if you mean 1 million BTC / DVC yes I am
LOLThe bottom line is, if no one else wants to do the work and once it drrops to $3...
Last thought before putting a gag on for a while.
It appears to me that if a project has been sitting around for a long time that the bounty should be raised to attract the talent it obviously required to have been sitting around for so long anyway. Lowering it is only catering to those requesting the bounty not those bringing it to reality.
- Nova
Agreed
Saw it...
I think bounties should be in coins not shares since it is another indirection away from how much you will be paid. If we do a jobboard and we post in coins everyone knows how much they are getting if it is accepted by someone..
Also it makes sense for people posting services or work to be done via devcoins to have to transfer in those coins to the site so that it can be transfered as a trusted third party to the developer once product is delivered and accepted. The site offers all of this and it is a way for workers amd service providers to work together without worrying about people not getting paid or work not done properly etc.
Anyways when I put it up you can see better no point to talk about it yet....
Id probably work with you once I get it hosted.
I think bounties should be in coins not shares since it is another indirection away from how much you will be paid. If we do a jobboard and we post in coins everyone knows how much they are getting if it is accepted by someone..
Also it makes sense for people posting services or work to be done via devcoins to have to transfer in those coins to the site so that it can be transfered as a trusted third party to the developer once product is delivered and accepted. The site offers all of this and it is a way for workers amd service providers to work together without worrying about people not getting paid or work not done properly etc.
Anyways when I put it up you can see better no point to talk about it yet....
Id probably work with you once I get it hosted.
Nice site Dalamar. clean and simple and easy for new visitors. I found the bounties link and I agree with Sidhujag about DVC vs shares for offering bounties, but understand why shares is the method. Hunterbunters data set shows a running DVC value of shares in the new rounds so maybe this could be useful? http://dvccountdown.blisteringdevelopers.com/
and I found this really useful too: http://dvccountdown.blisteringdevelopers.com/devtome
It will be great when we get all the good work people are doing into one easy to access place.
Yeah, I have the DVC value of shares right now on the site, I also have it so it shows you your shares as it stands for the day if you log in. I want to add the devtome stats to the graphs area below for those who are logged in. At any rate, I will be adding more over time
Thanx and you didn't see the bounties button on the menu? interesting....
Saw it...
I think bounties should be in coins not shares since it is another indirection away from how much you will be paid. If we do a jobboard and we post in coins everyone knows how much they are getting if it is accepted by someone..
Also it makes sense for people posting services or work to be done via devcoins to have to transfer in those coins to the site so that it can be transfered as a trusted third party to the developer once product is delivered and accepted. The site offers all of this and it is a way for workers amd service providers to work together without worrying about people not getting paid or work not done properly etc.
Anyways when I put it up you can see better no point to talk about it yet....
Id probably work with you once I get it hosted.
As I said before, this is based on what I know of bounties now. Bounties are paid in shares at this time. If we do a job board or bounties from other people outside of the devcoin community then we can do it in coins or shares. This is why I quit working on it last time, people can't come to a consensus and just throw ideas out there all over the place. Stick to what we have now, and make something that will help the community work better as it is, then as we get things going make the changes as we see they should be made to make things better.
Edit: As it is I am done working on it today, i have other things I need to be doing.
Would a task board make sense as a way to organise bounties aswell as allow people to bid on those?
Users will be able to post tasks they can do, and others can purchase those services. Also users can post their requests, and other users can bid on the requests. Essentially you can have your a site where people can buy and sell services or jobs or tasks. Ofcourse devcoin would be posting requests and people would bid to do work, this would help find optimal share allocation for projects!
Other people can start asking for work in devcoins then too using this thing since once it grows there would be a network of developers / writers etc who would be watching requests and as a poster I want my work done as cheap as possible without sacrificing quality.
Users will be able to post tasks they can do, and others can purchase those services. Also users can post their requests, and other users can bid on the requests. Essentially you can have your a site where people can buy and sell services or jobs or tasks. Ofcourse devcoin would be posting requests and people would bid to do work, this would help find optimal share allocation for projects!
Other people can start asking for work in devcoins then too using this thing since once it grows there would be a network of developers / writers etc who would be watching requests and as a poster I want my work done as cheap as possible without sacrificing quality.
I am going to move forward how I planned and then we can discuss changes to it once it is seen, I am not going to speculate any longer before starting as too many people have too many different ideas and nothing is getting done. I like the idea of a task tracker and may incorporate that, but for now I'm just going to move forward with my vision and see what comments come. You can see progress by following the prototype link in my sig.
Reason I say that is I purchased the wordpress templates and I have full source distributable under gpl.. One is a task board and it looks pretty nice with all the features I described. The link is here:
http://sitemile.com/products/taskerdev-errand-task-marketplace/
We have the source so we can change it
but since its wordpress its really simple for a non developer to make changes its all cms based and with a nice backend interface.. ootb seems to do everything we need? Check it out.. I will get it
hosted if someone can give me permission to host it on their server along with the penny auction one I want to show..
The ease of use is really something with wordpress.
Go for it, WP is great, I use it all the time for blogs, not for other things though, I like more control over my other projects. See how it turns out and we will see what comes of it. Again, I am continuing on with the bounties portion of my prototype site
I am interested to see your WP implementation though!Would a task board make sense as a way to organise bounties aswell as allow people to bid on those?
Users will be able to post tasks they can do, and others can purchase those services. Also users can post their requests, and other users can bid on the requests. Essentially you can have your a site where people can buy and sell services or jobs or tasks. Ofcourse devcoin would be posting requests and people would bid to do work, this would help find optimal share allocation for projects!
Other people can start asking for work in devcoins then too using this thing since once it grows there would be a network of developers / writers etc who would be watching requests and as a poster I want my work done as cheap as possible without sacrificing quality.
Users will be able to post tasks they can do, and others can purchase those services. Also users can post their requests, and other users can bid on the requests. Essentially you can have your a site where people can buy and sell services or jobs or tasks. Ofcourse devcoin would be posting requests and people would bid to do work, this would help find optimal share allocation for projects!
Other people can start asking for work in devcoins then too using this thing since once it grows there would be a network of developers / writers etc who would be watching requests and as a poster I want my work done as cheap as possible without sacrificing quality.
I am going to move forward how I planned and then we can discuss changes to it once it is seen, I am not going to speculate any longer before starting as too many people have too many different ideas and nothing is getting done. I like the idea of a task tracker and may incorporate that, but for now I'm just going to move forward with my vision and see what comments come. You can see progress by following the prototype link in my sig.
dalamar: I must have missed that. Personally think a site would be good to keep track and for open interest, esp when people regularly say they don't get how bounties work.
I agree, but I think the group once again is having trouble coming to a consensus
Chad
chicken or the egg, have to start somewhere...
Edit:
Ok, you can see the progress (as it is developed) in the link to the prototype below. Bounties is a menu item up top, you don't have to be logged in to see it or anything. And I will be figuring out accounts and what not later, right now you can login with your devtome username, other then that (if you don't have a devtome user account) you are out of luck for the next few days. I will add local accounts sooner or later!
dalamar: I must have missed that. Personally think a site would be good to keep track and for open interest, esp when people regularly say they don't get how bounties work.
I agree, but I think the group once again is having trouble coming to a consensus
Chad
dalamar96: you mean for official bounties or private ones? I know you've outlined what you're doing before but I've lost track with so many posts since then. I also posted some thoughts, and in steps is a good move to build towards something that makes the process and visibility clearer.
If it gets used for official bounties, great! That is what I was doing originally, though it was shot down pretty well about 2 weeks ago. I just write and code, if people use it they use it, if not, no sweat. Some people like the prototype I did, but it didn't take traction, so I have moved on to other things and just doing minor updates to the prototype so far. Not sure if I will do the bounty site or not, it was just something to look into at the moment. Now I am looking into the Armory I guess.
From an investment perspective this is a great idea but for many of the writers being paid shares each month, its about an income to live on, not invest. (edit) and I suspect that if developers are paid in DVC this would be the case for many as well.
Speaking only for myself, this is not the case. Nor would it be my wish to bring any crypto currencies out of my wallets at this time. Things have been comfortable for me financially before coming to this community, though my lifestyle is not lavish.
My interest is the philosophy behind devcoins and watching it growing and evolve. It is great that if some folks need the extra cash to get by, that it is there for them to do so. It is hard for me to believe that the crash of DVC each share split truly reflects the need of the many but more the large degree of non-believers it is currently carrying. If one believes then dumping one's coins is selling oneself short. Unless we are talking about selling and buying with day trades. That helps to put stability in the market.
It's not my wish to point fingers. Most likely, things will sort themselves out over time. It just feels good, for me, to have finally become a junior contributor of this community. Perhaps other programmers get the same buzz as me, just having people using their software, regardless of the monetary payout. My guess is that real writers feel the same when someone reads their work or real graphic artist/painters see their work hanging on someone else's walls.
- Nova
I'm with ya Nova
Ride em till the buck ya or don't ride at all