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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
Rebranding to DashCentral
Dashwhale has been rebranded to DashCentral, to give the plattform a more professional appeal. I know, we all love the whale. But it had to go. The whale with big cigar theme is suboptimal if we want to attract new DASH investors and is problematic when screenshots are shown at cryptocurrency events. DashCentral user and visitor amount is increasing heavily. It has become an important place for new masternode owner onboarding. At some size, things become political. But hey, didn't we all have a great time with the whale?
https://www.dashcentral.org
https://www.dashcentral.org/downloads/dc_screenshot1.png
Dashwhale has been rebranded to DashCentral, to give the plattform a more professional appeal. I know, we all love the whale. But it had to go. The whale with big cigar theme is suboptimal if we want to attract new DASH investors and is problematic when screenshots are shown at cryptocurrency events. DashCentral user and visitor amount is increasing heavily. It has become an important place for new masternode owner onboarding. At some size, things become political. But hey, didn't we all have a great time with the whale?
https://www.dashcentral.org
https://www.dashcentral.org/downloads/dc_screenshot1.png
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Get notified on new budget proposals!
We implemented a new feature to allow immediate notification (email, mobile phone or slack) in case a new budget proposal pops up.
You need a Dashwhale.org account to use this feature. You don't have to enter any masternode data to use it. Just enable the proposal notifications at the section "My Account" => "Notifications" => "Edit notification".
https://www.dashwhale.org
We implemented a new feature to allow immediate notification (email, mobile phone or slack) in case a new budget proposal pops up.
You need a Dashwhale.org account to use this feature. You don't have to enter any masternode data to use it. Just enable the proposal notifications at the section "My Account" => "Notifications" => "Edit notification".
https://www.dashwhale.org
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
DAPI allows ANY two peers on the network to communicate directly and send ANY messages they wish between themselves. Therefore all future implementation of this type of technology (payment channels, one click purchasing, etc) is actually done in the lite wallet itself (python, javascript, etc). So it's more like you telling the website "hey my username is Evan", then it sends a temporary request which allows the communication channel, after which let's say you want to buy socks, the website will ask your wallet directly, "Do you want buy socks from XYZ for $14? (along with the correct payment address to send to, etc)". Then you click OK, which sends the payment to that merchant.
If you broadcast a payment using the first tier, there will be normal fees. We don't need RBF because we can calculate a fee per kb using masternode quorums for the rest of the network. For third tier users, they'll pay for processing time they use on the network, not per transaction. Each time you do anything, the network will update your profile and say "User Evan used 123 milliseconds of processing time" via a quorum action. All users get some amount of free processing time, which will be calculated by the network to allow 90% of our users to maintain 100% free accounts.
In economic terms, our heavy users and economic inflation (e.g. creation of new coins being paid to the second tier) are going to subsidize our regular users by paying for their processing time on the network. I think the target audience should have completely free access to the network and we can shift things around to make that happen.
That's really an awesome concept, Evan!
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Here's a way to boost masternode voting. If a masternode doesn't vote on at least one proposal in a given month, it gets a demerit. If it accumulates two demerits it gets booted off the masternode payee list. The masternode will have to restart, so the 'punishment' for not voting is being pushed to the bottom of the list, at a minimum. I like this method because it discourages passive/boomer entitlement behavior.
If I know I'm going to have to break out the hot wallet every other month to restart a masternode that got kicked off for being lazy, then I might as well break out the empty wallet and vote on a few proposals instead.
Voting is a new part of being a responsible Dash Masternode Manager, and there will probably be more responsibilities down the road requiring active participation to maintain this prestigious position.
If I know I'm going to have to break out the hot wallet every other month to restart a masternode that got kicked off for being lazy, then I might as well break out the empty wallet and vote on a few proposals instead.
Voting is a new part of being a responsible Dash Masternode Manager, and there will probably be more responsibilities down the road requiring active participation to maintain this prestigious position.
the voting and all is totally fine
people are lazy and that is a general thing !
look at general elections, you never get more than 30-40% out of them and Dash Voting is in the same range !
I think a webpage as Dashwhale (Dashwhale converted to official Dash Voting/proposal page) would do the trick and 'beat' the laziness
make it easier and concentrated (1 page for Voting/Proposals only) and easy to promote and keep people updated
my 3 duff as always
there should be a DAPI for that. seems in the future evolution could be used for that. it could be like the embedded Facebook comments on various websites. dashwhale could plug into it and dashtalk etc could all plug into the voting proposal DAPI. it would update across all platforms in real time just like the facebook one but decentralized.
the voting proposal DAPI would be part of the larger DASH social network or something like that, just throwing crazy ideas out there.
Of course, DAPI could deliver proposal data. But, it would be a loss of focus and waste of limited dev time to implement proposal metadata and even comments decentralized. Focus should be and is to build the best cryptocurrency out there and increase the amount of DASH transactions per day (to me the only relevant number to determine success). If these goals have been archieved, one can spend time to decentralize some nice to have features like comments by taking advantage of DASH drive.
By the way, Dashwhale already supports the distribution of all proposal data including comments to multiple sites:
https://www.dashwhale.org/dbin
The first website that integrated this data is Crowning (check it out!):
http://178.254.18.153/~pub/Darkcoin/masternode_payments_stats.html
I contacted some more websites to implement this data. Hope, some of them will get it going soon.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
You can also use the Dashwhale android app to monitor budget proposals, including detailed proposal information as well as proposal comments:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.paregov.android.dashwhalemonitor
Comfortable voting without commandline is not yet available for the app, but only via Dashwhale.org website.
https://www.dashwhale.org/downloads/dw_screenshot15.png
P.S. You are running an app or a website and want to include enhanced proposal information (title, description, comments) with your service, check out our public budget information API: https://www.dashwhale.org/dbin
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.paregov.android.dashwhalemonitor
Comfortable voting without commandline is not yet available for the app, but only via Dashwhale.org website.
https://www.dashwhale.org/downloads/dw_screenshot15.png
P.S. You are running an app or a website and want to include enhanced proposal information (title, description, comments) with your service, check out our public budget information API: https://www.dashwhale.org/dbin
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Yes, thats absolutely correct, afreer!
But if all tiny proposals are smashed, we inhibit innovation culture. Even if a proposal seems to be junk, it's worth to spend a few DASH on it and to see what's the outcome. In many times, new ideas spin out, which might lead to serious improvements of the DASH ecosystem.
I strongly encourage all masternode owners to allow 50-100 DASH to be spent each month on 1-3 tiny junk proposals, to educate people on using the budget system and provide soil for innovation!
Yours,
Rango
But if all tiny proposals are smashed, we inhibit innovation culture. Even if a proposal seems to be junk, it's worth to spend a few DASH on it and to see what's the outcome. In many times, new ideas spin out, which might lead to serious improvements of the DASH ecosystem.
I strongly encourage all masternode owners to allow 50-100 DASH to be spent each month on 1-3 tiny junk proposals, to educate people on using the budget system and provide soil for innovation!
Yours,
Rango
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
A new budget proposal is out there, guys ... and it really smells like a daaaangerous precedent
https://www.dashwhale.org/p/christmas-lottery
https://www.dashwhale.org/p/christmas-lottery
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Hello! Where I can see how much masternode pay in month? 
Here you can see the estimated payment per masternode per day:
http://178.254.18.153/~pub/Darkcoin/masternode_payments_stats.html
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
It's all clear about variance.
The weird thing is incremented "lastpayment" entry in the list without real payment occured. I believe updated "lastpayment" (from ./dash-cli masternodelist full, I observe it from 3 of mine vps) means that consensus decided some mn must be paid - and there're no ways to avoid that since the enforcement is active. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It's not about bugs in the monitoring scripts. Looks like dashninja.pl calculates "Last Paid=1d8h37m20s" based on "masternodelist full" output and dashwhale shows "Lastpay=6 days ago" based on the real payment transactions in the blockchain.
Anyway I'll inform about next payment.
The weird thing is incremented "lastpayment" entry in the list without real payment occured. I believe updated "lastpayment" (from ./dash-cli masternodelist full, I observe it from 3 of mine vps) means that consensus decided some mn must be paid - and there're no ways to avoid that since the enforcement is active. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It's not about bugs in the monitoring scripts. Looks like dashninja.pl calculates "Last Paid=1d8h37m20s" based on "masternodelist full" output and dashwhale shows "Lastpay=6 days ago" based on the real payment transactions in the blockchain.
Anyway I'll inform about next payment.
Yes, that's correct! Dashwhale lastpay status is derived from the blockchain, nextpay is derived from dashd. So your node moved from the 10% of masternodes, which will be paid within a few hours to the bottom of the payment queue without getting paid and without having been offline, which might indicate a rare bug. Since it's so rare, i suppose it's more worth to dedicate the core team's devpower to Evolution.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Dashwhale android app update: full proposal information and comments
The dashwhale android app has been updated. It now shows full DASH budget proposal information as well as budget comments, in addition to displaying comprehensive masternode monitoring information.
Please check out the screenshots (maybe somebody can post the screenshots on my behalf; image posts are still locked for my account):
https://www.dashwhale.org/downloads/dw_screenshot12.png
https://www.dashwhale.org/downloads/dw_screenshot14.png
You can download the app here!
If you are interested to include DASH proposal information within your own website or app, please check out our public DASH proposal API: https://www.dashwhale.org/dbin
The dashwhale android app has been updated. It now shows full DASH budget proposal information as well as budget comments, in addition to displaying comprehensive masternode monitoring information.
Please check out the screenshots (maybe somebody can post the screenshots on my behalf; image posts are still locked for my account):
https://www.dashwhale.org/downloads/dw_screenshot12.png
https://www.dashwhale.org/downloads/dw_screenshot14.png
You can download the app here!
If you are interested to include DASH proposal information within your own website or app, please check out our public DASH proposal API: https://www.dashwhale.org/dbin
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
DASH budget information network (DBIN) - php and javascript dev wanted!
Dashwhale.org allows proposal owners to present and describe their proposals. Masternode owners can comment and discuss on a proposal, to form a common opinion. Multiple proposal descriptions and discussion on different websites leads to loss of information and should be avoided.
To counter this problem, we are happy to release the DBIN-API, to allow any website to integrate DASH proposal information and comments effortless. This gives a external website up-to-date, newsworthy content increasing retention of website users. Only when a user wants to post a comment, he is deeplinked to the respective Dashwhale comment section.
The API is ready to use. Check out this page for detailed description:
https://www.dashwhale.org/dbin
We want to distribute the proposal information to as many DASH related as well as unrelated websites (news sites, blogs, forums) or mobile apps as possible. This increases DASH public awareness in general and to some extend decentralizes the proposal information.
To facilitate adoption by other websites, we are looking for a php or javascript developer doing the javascript widget and php reference implementation, which other websites can use easily.
Please check out the detailed thread for more information:
https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-budget-information-network-dbin-php-and-javascript-dev-wanted.6491/
Best,
Rango
Dashwhale.org allows proposal owners to present and describe their proposals. Masternode owners can comment and discuss on a proposal, to form a common opinion. Multiple proposal descriptions and discussion on different websites leads to loss of information and should be avoided.
To counter this problem, we are happy to release the DBIN-API, to allow any website to integrate DASH proposal information and comments effortless. This gives a external website up-to-date, newsworthy content increasing retention of website users. Only when a user wants to post a comment, he is deeplinked to the respective Dashwhale comment section.
The API is ready to use. Check out this page for detailed description:
https://www.dashwhale.org/dbin
We want to distribute the proposal information to as many DASH related as well as unrelated websites (news sites, blogs, forums) or mobile apps as possible. This increases DASH public awareness in general and to some extend decentralizes the proposal information.
To facilitate adoption by other websites, we are looking for a php or javascript developer doing the javascript widget and php reference implementation, which other websites can use easily.
Please check out the detailed thread for more information:
https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-budget-information-network-dbin-php-and-javascript-dev-wanted.6491/
Best,
Rango
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Nextpay & enhanced privacy
Trying to guess, when your masternode is going to be paid is a pain. To fix this, we are happy to introduce the new "Nextpay" status. It's a simple bar allowing you to evaluate at a glance, when next payment occurs. The bar switches to green, when your masternode reached a payment queue rank within the top 10% of all masternodes, indicating that your node can now randomly be selected for a payment anytime.
Registering a Dashwhale account does not require to enter an email address anymore. Simply choose a username and a password and you are done. Existing users can delete the email address from their account settings. Password reset function is of course only possible with a set account email.
Screenshot of the Nextpay feature (maybe somebody want's to post this on my behalf):
https://www.dashwhale.org/downloads/dw_screenshot10.png
http://www.dashwhale.org
Best,
Rango
P.S. Thanks to Moocowmoo, for revealing and explaining the technical background from the DASH sourcecode.
Trying to guess, when your masternode is going to be paid is a pain. To fix this, we are happy to introduce the new "Nextpay" status. It's a simple bar allowing you to evaluate at a glance, when next payment occurs. The bar switches to green, when your masternode reached a payment queue rank within the top 10% of all masternodes, indicating that your node can now randomly be selected for a payment anytime.
Registering a Dashwhale account does not require to enter an email address anymore. Simply choose a username and a password and you are done. Existing users can delete the email address from their account settings. Password reset function is of course only possible with a set account email.
Screenshot of the Nextpay feature (maybe somebody want's to post this on my behalf):
https://www.dashwhale.org/downloads/dw_screenshot10.png
http://www.dashwhale.org
Best,
Rango
P.S. Thanks to Moocowmoo, for revealing and explaining the technical background from the DASH sourcecode.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
What can I get to alert me to:-
1/ wallet updates
2/ MN failure
?
1/ wallet updates
2/ MN failure
?
You should try https://www.dashwhale.org (convenient masternode monitoring and notifications via a website) or https://github.com/moocowmoo/dashman (requires the setup of a local script).
Best,
Rango
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
...
The whole idea behind the Virtual Corporation is that anyone can step up to the plate and work for it, if accepted by the voters.
And I must suggest strongly, that anyone wanting to do a proposal, think months in advance, start a discussion on it (preferably on Dashwhale). You need time to gain the approval of such a diverse group of voters. The community needs time to digest your proposal, make suggestions, and for you to implement those suggestions. In a very real way, the forum thread that contains your proposal is your contract with the Dash Virtual Corporation. These proposals have been coming out so loosely, mostly things that Evan says he'd like us to do, and we just do it. Eventually, proposals should come from anyone, and they should be formalized in a thread, with final specifications and a time table. The community should keep them honest and raise the red flag if something is going wrong, so the MN can vote down the proposal and stop the funding on solid grounds.
Don't get me wrong, we Know our current core team are keeping tight watch on all funds they spend, and they're a small group doing so many things, but plan on putting that ledger out for public view. But that's not how a decentralized system should work, (relying on one person to tell us what to fund and do) and we need to start setting up some rules/traditions. IMO
Look what happened to DashWhale's proposal. The implimented Evan's vision of a place where we can manage Dash voting, and a forum for proposals. However, Evan never formally Green lighted the project, I suspect because he doesn't want to be the almighty dictator and to let MN voters do the right thing. And MN voters won't support it, with many saying the reason was that Evan didn't say they should. We all (community and MN voters) need to grow up and make the decisions that are right for Dash. Will others that start projects, hoping to show they can do it prior to asking for funding, now stop because it looks very much like they can't win approval? A project that's already obviously had a TON of work put into it for the benefit of the Dash Virtual Corporation, can't even get funding boggles my mind.
Otherwise it's been going very well
The whole idea behind the Virtual Corporation is that anyone can step up to the plate and work for it, if accepted by the voters.
And I must suggest strongly, that anyone wanting to do a proposal, think months in advance, start a discussion on it (preferably on Dashwhale). You need time to gain the approval of such a diverse group of voters. The community needs time to digest your proposal, make suggestions, and for you to implement those suggestions. In a very real way, the forum thread that contains your proposal is your contract with the Dash Virtual Corporation. These proposals have been coming out so loosely, mostly things that Evan says he'd like us to do, and we just do it. Eventually, proposals should come from anyone, and they should be formalized in a thread, with final specifications and a time table. The community should keep them honest and raise the red flag if something is going wrong, so the MN can vote down the proposal and stop the funding on solid grounds.
Don't get me wrong, we Know our current core team are keeping tight watch on all funds they spend, and they're a small group doing so many things, but plan on putting that ledger out for public view. But that's not how a decentralized system should work, (relying on one person to tell us what to fund and do) and we need to start setting up some rules/traditions. IMO
Look what happened to DashWhale's proposal. The implimented Evan's vision of a place where we can manage Dash voting, and a forum for proposals. However, Evan never formally Green lighted the project, I suspect because he doesn't want to be the almighty dictator and to let MN voters do the right thing. And MN voters won't support it, with many saying the reason was that Evan didn't say they should. We all (community and MN voters) need to grow up and make the decisions that are right for Dash. Will others that start projects, hoping to show they can do it prior to asking for funding, now stop because it looks very much like they can't win approval? A project that's already obviously had a TON of work put into it for the benefit of the Dash Virtual Corporation, can't even get funding boggles my mind.
Otherwise it's been going very well
This hits the nail on the head, TanteStefana2.
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Now that Rango just added the staggered voting after you previously released with Dashman, I see you are trying to one up each other on features. Lol.
Psst....Dashwhale just added an automatic restart feature.
Psst....Dashwhale just added an automatic restart feature.
Not really. Were just attacking the same problems from two different sides. (His a service, mine a toolchain.)
That voting timestamp association had to go!
And, yes, automatic restarting using monit is something I've got on the roadmap.
Exactly, moocowmoo!
You did some awesome work with the display of the payment queue rank. Dashman is a great tool (for those who don't use Dashwhale of course
)Best,
Rango
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Automatic restart of crashed or hung masternodes
Dashwhale updater is a script, you install on the server you run your masternode. It collects the version and the blockheight of your masternode and checks, if your masternode is operating correctly. The data is pushed to the Dashwhale server, so you have comfortable access to your masternode data via the Dashwhale website and mobile apps.
All data is interpretated and in case your masternode is determined to be unfunctional for at least 10 minutes, it is automatically restarted. In addition, you are notified by email, mobile push notification or slack. Automatic restart makes sure your masternode does not drop of the payment list and you don't miss payments.
Download lastest Dashwhale updater supporting automatic restarts here:
https://www.dashwhale.org/downloads/dashwhale-updater-v4.tgz
Best,
Rango
P.S. Dashwhale updater supports multiple masternodes. Check out the example config:
Code:
our %masternodes = (
'Xuia3V5v51AFTjYNtz6tpu9YrKYoWc9Ruz' => {
'rpc_host' => 'localhost',
'rpc_port' => 9998,
'rpc_user' => 'masternode1',
'rpc_password' => '123password',
'daemon_autorestart' => 'disabled',
'daemon_binary' => '/usr/bin/dashd',
'daemon_datadir' => '/root/.dash'
},
'Xo1cwpFNHff5Nj12qWWXhCDyv5fPCdGZNR' => {
'rpc_host' => 'localhost',
'rpc_port' => 9998,
'rpc_user' => 'masternode2',
'rpc_password' => '123password',
'daemon_autorestart' => 'disabled',
'daemon_binary' => '/usr/bin/dashd',
'daemon_datadir' => '/root/.dash'
}
);
'Xuia3V5v51AFTjYNtz6tpu9YrKYoWc9Ruz' => {
'rpc_host' => 'localhost',
'rpc_port' => 9998,
'rpc_user' => 'masternode1',
'rpc_password' => '123password',
'daemon_autorestart' => 'disabled',
'daemon_binary' => '/usr/bin/dashd',
'daemon_datadir' => '/root/.dash'
},
'Xo1cwpFNHff5Nj12qWWXhCDyv5fPCdGZNR' => {
'rpc_host' => 'localhost',
'rpc_port' => 9998,
'rpc_user' => 'masternode2',
'rpc_password' => '123password',
'daemon_autorestart' => 'disabled',
'daemon_binary' => '/usr/bin/dashd',
'daemon_datadir' => '/root/.dash'
}
);
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
De-clustered voting
If you run multiple masternodes and use the manual wallet "vote-many" function on commandline, all votes for a proposal are submitted to the network within one second. So it's easy as pie to see which and how many masternodes belong to one owner.
To counter this issue, we just released "de-clustered" voting. Simply hit the "vote" button on a Dashwhale proposal page. Your proposal votes are submitted over several hours at random timepoints. Nobody is able to group your masternodes based on their votes anymore.
This feature strongly enhances your voting anonymity, compared to manual command-line wallet voting!
https://www.dashwhale.org
Best,
Rango
If you run multiple masternodes and use the manual wallet "vote-many" function on commandline, all votes for a proposal are submitted to the network within one second. So it's easy as pie to see which and how many masternodes belong to one owner.
To counter this issue, we just released "de-clustered" voting. Simply hit the "vote" button on a Dashwhale proposal page. Your proposal votes are submitted over several hours at random timepoints. Nobody is able to group your masternodes based on their votes anymore.
This feature strongly enhances your voting anonymity, compared to manual command-line wallet voting!
https://www.dashwhale.org
Best,
Rango
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
I went through all your ideas. Thank you very much for this awesome active dispute so far, guys. I condensed all concerns to one central issue:
How to allow an active and easy democratic process for budget decisions with raising amount of proposals?
The issues:
1. We will have 10-20 proposals per month in the near future
2. With high amounts of proposals it's illusional to do the discussion in multiple threads of the Dashtalk forum (untructured, unprofessional information process)
3. Information get lost. To cope with this we need one central place to be.
4. Budget review, discussion and voting has to be easy for high voting participation
5. From finance and technical perspective it's not possible to do proposal presentation & discussion on a "decentralized platform" within reasonable time and money
Possible solutions:
1. Core team puts up a +10k USD proposal to create a new "centralized" platform (compareable to Dashwhale)
2. Core team looses focus and implements a "decentralized" proposal presentation and discussion feature. To my opinion technically challenging if not impossible within reasonable time. Somebody external will charge about 50-500k USD
3. Sit and wait. Ignoring the issues outlined above decreases quality of the democratic process, leading to a) malallocation of funds b) loss of ideas c) loss of central discussion issues by time => hurting DASH investor value
4. Monetize Dashwhale like any other website. Monetizing Dashwhale a regular way hurts open access to the platform and impairs democratic process (ads, highlighted proposals)
5. Invest 2% of the total budget for 6 month to see, if Dashwhale can solve these issues relevant for every masternode owner and every DASH owner.
Best,
Rango
Voting: mnbudget vote-many 4f8b12279629b8126ba7b1a378cd3ef6e3bb88d7fb04cb6db424edf4c95f6780 yes / no
How to allow an active and easy democratic process for budget decisions with raising amount of proposals?
The issues:
1. We will have 10-20 proposals per month in the near future
2. With high amounts of proposals it's illusional to do the discussion in multiple threads of the Dashtalk forum (untructured, unprofessional information process)
3. Information get lost. To cope with this we need one central place to be.
4. Budget review, discussion and voting has to be easy for high voting participation
5. From finance and technical perspective it's not possible to do proposal presentation & discussion on a "decentralized platform" within reasonable time and money
Possible solutions:
1. Core team puts up a +10k USD proposal to create a new "centralized" platform (compareable to Dashwhale)
2. Core team looses focus and implements a "decentralized" proposal presentation and discussion feature. To my opinion technically challenging if not impossible within reasonable time. Somebody external will charge about 50-500k USD
3. Sit and wait. Ignoring the issues outlined above decreases quality of the democratic process, leading to a) malallocation of funds b) loss of ideas c) loss of central discussion issues by time => hurting DASH investor value
4. Monetize Dashwhale like any other website. Monetizing Dashwhale a regular way hurts open access to the platform and impairs democratic process (ads, highlighted proposals)
5. Invest 2% of the total budget for 6 month to see, if Dashwhale can solve these issues relevant for every masternode owner and every DASH owner.
Best,
Rango
Voting: mnbudget vote-many 4f8b12279629b8126ba7b1a378cd3ef6e3bb88d7fb04cb6db424edf4c95f6780 yes / no
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX
Jestah, i appreciate your honest words. Let me address some of your concerns:
1. 6 month is a clear timeframe, that everybody can oversee and is able to commit to. After that 6 month, we can all evaluate again and check, if this site provides enough benefit to our community to justify funding or if there there is even a business model for this site to survive without a proposal and without subscriptions.
2. The 160 DASH cover hosting (dedicated server with DDoS protection), geographical independent backup, external website monitoring service and at least 5 manhours per month, to keep this site up and running safely. You don't get >5h manpower and hosting of high quality for 150 bucks.
3. Dashwhale is 2 month old and 524 masternodes are registered. That's great progress so far. Few of the known large masternode owners use the platform, but did not register all their masternodes. So it's safe to say that masternode owners responsible for 40% of all masternodes are registered at Dashwhale.
So what's is the benefit for all masternode owners (even those which don't need voting or monitoring) now and in the future?
The amount of 2-5 proposals per month will rise steadily in the near future. We will end up with a hardly to cope amount of budget proposals. Do we want to post single proposal threads in multiple forums where all information gets lost? Or do we want to have one place, where all proposal information is displayed and we can directly discuss these proposals. All proposals nicely structured, ranked by interest to facilitate serious judgement of every proposal by every masternode owner? Also by mobile apps?
We need a solution for these issues. If you guys think, Dashwhale is the right solution for this, please cast your vote!
Best,
Rango