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Re: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service
Was checking out the website and read Ico would be in the middle of August.
Reading some pages of posts people are not really happy.
Anybody kind enough to summarize so I don't have to go through 30 pages? Would be hugely appreciated
Reading some pages of posts people are not really happy.
Anybody kind enough to summarize so I don't have to go through 30 pages? Would be hugely appreciated
Pre-sale got interrupted by white hat hackers who returned all funds, but led to the pre-sale being closed. SEC ruling then came out so the team have hired lawyers but there's no news since late July.
We're not sure if pre-sale with bonuses will restart or if it will move direct to ICO (that was to have bonuses also I believe, but not sure on that atm either).
Few people are getting in or out of the pre-sale through private trades on Telegram which are facilitated by the Mass team.
If you want in, you can probably buy from one of the sellers on Telegram but be sure to do it through the Mass team. There has been some haggling recently over the value of Mass since Eth is up so much since pre-sale ended, so you might be able to buy at a cheaper rate if you haggle.
No news on the product other than is stated in FAQs, but the team have said they are working on it.
Re: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service
First of all, you don't know this is a security because it differs from the DAO, there's alot of variables that come into play here. Stuff like that the MASS token will be needed to use the service kind of makes it more difficult to name it (my memory is failing, too many projects reviewed so correct me if im wrong here but that's how I see it).
Second, they have no obligation to reset the ICO since it was stopped, however resuming it will be harder without council. If enough people feel that they missed the refund offering, they ought to announce another one properly. The reason they haven't done this I reckon is because there's 2 guys that want this.
IF there's more people in here that wants refund, you better speak up, and we'll see what they decide.
Second, they have no obligation to reset the ICO since it was stopped, however resuming it will be harder without council. If enough people feel that they missed the refund offering, they ought to announce another one properly. The reason they haven't done this I reckon is because there's 2 guys that want this.
IF there's more people in here that wants refund, you better speak up, and we'll see what they decide.
I'd take a refund if this was anonymous (triggered through wallet as before)
Re: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service
We have got to put an end to this debate.
Legal councils take time. You think they have nothing else to do but advice MASS team?
There's alot to go over and when this is done, they have to view over the available options AFTER they have all the information. MASS cannot just simply state what they are planning to do before they get to this decision.
Be respectful and ask when they might have an official statement rather than calling out how they haven't yet.
This is FUD we don't need, get a grip and calm yourselves.
Legal councils take time. You think they have nothing else to do but advice MASS team?
There's alot to go over and when this is done, they have to view over the available options AFTER they have all the information. MASS cannot just simply state what they are planning to do before they get to this decision.
Be respectful and ask when they might have an official statement rather than calling out how they haven't yet.
This is FUD we don't need, get a grip and calm yourselves.
This is not FUD. I don't work for a competitor and it isn't in my interest at all to see the project fail. It is healthy and necessary discussion around a project that I've invested money in and am now concerned/have regrets about.
If everything was moving approximately to plan I would be happy to suffer some minor delays, but the delays we're seeing aren't justified in my eyes.
Pending legal advice, put a frickin statement on the site saying U.S. citizens are not able to participate and get on with it. Should have had that statement there from the start. Why the hell do you think EOS hasn't had to shut down operations..... I think EOS is a bit more in the limelight, and to Bob's earlier point, forethought would have meant nothing would be interrupted as it has been.
Anyway, I respect other people's opinion and right to use this thread, so have at it and I'll leave everyone to talk about it going to the moon and all the great things we hope it will do.
Anyone know how we're going to stake our MASS yet? I know a dapp was mentioned in the white paper, but not sure how this will look or what specs it will need to run?
Re: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service
LOLOL all this for 3 ethers. You don't need to worry then
This is a healthy and appropriate debate. Not all of us can throw away $900 and it matters to those with doubts/concerns as much as it does to supporters with no doubts or concerns.
Marketing should have commenced if this is to be a successful project. It's not easy to gain popularity or momentum. The same questions being asked here are only going to be asked a 1000 times more once the project gains more market exposure.
Twitter, Facebook and this Steemit are all free and strong means of communication and marketing.
The trolling going on between individuals is boring, but analysing points such as Bob and myself have previously made should be of value to everyone invested, including the MASS team.
No one invested without thinking this was going to be a flyer. We all want it to be the success it can be, but there are some fairly big issues to date. Namely that although there has been fair disruption outside of the control of the Mass team, what are we roughly looking at with regards to the funds invested.
Time frames always slip on projects. Even more so given the white hat hacker and SEC issues, but you can still start to communicate plan B, C or the other options under consideration. You can also explain what the impact of various plans are.
Re: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service
Hello,
Which contract?
Rushing things sounds like a bad plan.
You mean the team being available 24/7, how about you try asking a question about MASS in the telegram and see how fast you get a response as well. By a question about MASS I mean an actual question about MASS itself, and not anything redundant such as "WHATS THE NEWS???" Try sending an email asking something see how fast of a response you get as well.
What timeline, and what deadline? We wish we could be sorry about trying to be as careful as we can to protect the projects future, no amount of whining will change that. Certain things are out of our hands, you can understand that, right? If there are things that are out of our hands, any 'timeline' you reference or any non existent deadline you speak of gets changed. Right?
By having a week long full no questions asked refund period. Which I have never seen before in any ICO ever.
If you are unhappy about the project, try offering to sell your pre-sale MASS in telegram.
Im sure more people wouldve requested a refund during that one werk period had you been honest and said: "we will not be resuming pre ico for another month, actual ico will not resume until mid to late september, project will not roll around until early october, and we will be spending a bunch of time preparing for this project from a legal perspective after we started the preico, which we shouldve done before preico. "doesnt follow contract protocol
Which contract?
project hasnt even gotten off the ground yet.
Rushing things sounds like a bad plan.
Want a sneak peak at how this project will go, spend 12 hours in their telegram
You mean the team being available 24/7, how about you try asking a question about MASS in the telegram and see how fast you get a response as well. By a question about MASS I mean an actual question about MASS itself, and not anything redundant such as "WHATS THE NEWS???" Try sending an email asking something see how fast of a response you get as well.
time lines, or how they are unaware of deadlines
What timeline, and what deadline? We wish we could be sorry about trying to be as careful as we can to protect the projects future, no amount of whining will change that. Certain things are out of our hands, you can understand that, right? If there are things that are out of our hands, any 'timeline' you reference or any non existent deadline you speak of gets changed. Right?
holding peoples money hostage.
By having a week long full no questions asked refund period. Which I have never seen before in any ICO ever.
If you are unhappy about the project, try offering to sell your pre-sale MASS in telegram.
If all this is a preview of how actual product will go im glad i only tossed a few dimes your way.
Yeah, I'm with Bob on this one. I was attacked and patronised for asking what was going on a few days back. Got better things to do with my time than get into it with emotionally charged leadership of MASS, so just sitting back and hoping that I might see my ETH returned at the same once we get the chance to offload MASS on the exchange.
Not interested in linking up with potential buyers but would take an anonymous refund similar to what was offered before. Don't think I'd be alone either.
fin...
Re: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service
Forgive all the questions, but it's now mid-August and updates/communications are reducing instead of the expected opposite. With other channels of communication, marketing and transparency being closed down (twitter and slack chat) perhaps we could get some clarity on the MASS project here?
In the FAQ there was talk of getting the product ready before the ICO, which was aimed to start mid-August. Is there any update on the project (aside from legal or white hat hacker), ICO or any images of the web dapp or other products you can share please?
It seems like a step back and push back of original deadlines to restart pre-sales when we should be roughly a month out from the ICO ending (and thus people getting access to their currency).
As the MASS team have decided to restart pre-sales instead of moving to ICO as planned, are you going to offer further refund opportunities? It could be fair to say that although the FAQs on the website have changed recently, they did once say that this was not going to be a project that would suffer from unnecessary delays and go on indefinitely like others.
Perhaps some explanation as to why the legal issues are holding up the ICO but not pre-sales and why no marketing has taken place if more sales are needed to get the project off the ground?
In the FAQ there was talk of getting the product ready before the ICO, which was aimed to start mid-August. Is there any update on the project (aside from legal or white hat hacker), ICO or any images of the web dapp or other products you can share please?
It seems like a step back and push back of original deadlines to restart pre-sales when we should be roughly a month out from the ICO ending (and thus people getting access to their currency).
As the MASS team have decided to restart pre-sales instead of moving to ICO as planned, are you going to offer further refund opportunities? It could be fair to say that although the FAQs on the website have changed recently, they did once say that this was not going to be a project that would suffer from unnecessary delays and go on indefinitely like others.
Perhaps some explanation as to why the legal issues are holding up the ICO but not pre-sales and why no marketing has taken place if more sales are needed to get the project off the ground?
You should subscribe to the mailing list where any updates will take place.
When there are updates they will be posted to that mailing list, as well as to the Telegram announce channel, and here. Until then that is the 'update'.
We are waiting on updates, and while waiting on that we continue to work on the project.
We can't communicate 'no news', so don't expect it. When there is, we will.
If you update here, why would I need to subscribe to email or Telegram?
I thought there was something like $1.9mln of ETH raised through the pre-sale so far? I could be confused, but when you hold that much money after asking a community to contribute, it's not really ok to just say, there "no news" or "sit tight".
That wouldn't wash in any normal course of business or project, so I don't see why it should just because this is a token sale and ICO.
How has development of the product been going? Most other projects in this space provide regular developer updates or updates about what the team have been busy doing. I don't think there is any respectable project in crypto that doesn't have proper communications setup for it's community.
Although there is "no news", perhaps you could share some thoughts on why you would reel back on marketing and visibility rather than increasing it closer to the ICO? Why have twitter and slack chat been shut down? It doesn't make sense? Surely you would want more people to hype up the ICO?
Again, it is very much not cool to start crowd funding then decide that you don't really feel like communicating with contributors to the fund. Not unless you don't really care about the community funding the project.
Buck up your ideas and come back with some updates please!
Subscribing to the email newsletter and or telegram announce channel means you don't have to check here asking 'is there an update?', it will come to you.
Development has been going fine, backend is still on schedule to be done before the ICO, but depending on legals advice there may be some tweaks, same with the smart contracts, again this is rather beside the point since the ICO won't happen until everything is complete.
We aren't marketing right now because we don't have any dates set, so it is rather pointless and a huge waste of money, since all of that money is coming directly from our pockets, we would rather spend it wisely, which means spending it when we have firm dates and everything is ready.
If anyone in 'the community' feels we aren't communicating properly, they clearly aren't paying attention. Feel free to come and talk to us in Telegram, while you are at it see what the rest of 'the community' thinks.
Again, there will be no updates, until we have updates to give. We aren't going to just make up things.
https://t.me/MASSToken
^telegram for basic talk, questions, general chat (extremely chatty chat)
https://t.me/MASSTokenAnnounce
^updates
Thank you. It wasn't that hard to say the backend is on schedule.
Your opinion that it's pointless to market now doesn't make sense, but fine. A suggestion I might make is that you could have twitter active embellishing the finer details of the white paper and potentially showing off some wireframes or linking to GitHub (which appears to be fairly empty). If you built a following for the product and some excitement about the ICO, you might find that it doesn't pass most investors by and leave you wondering why no one is queuing at the door to buy on the first day of the ICO. Unikoingold and EOS might be good examples to follow!
Love that it's my fault for not paying attention...I check my emails, the website, this forum, previously twitter and reddit nearly everyday. I visited Telegram a few days ago, but it was full of speculative chatter about investment theories.....I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in details and money. Money that has so far sat in this project doing nothing and looks to be doing nothing until early October at a minimum.
You don't have to make things up to provide updates. That much is fair comment. There is however a large amount of information that no one knows so far so I think it's a bit incorrect to say there is nothing to update on.
What does the web app look like, what coins are currently in the running for purchase, who from the team has been where doing what for the project? What is legal counsel saying? I hear it's just language changes? When will that be confirmed? When will you be closer to confirming product readiness and potential ICO start/end dates? What exchanges have you had contact you about listing MASS?
What is the story with GitHub? It was only setup on the 6th of June and shows the last update 2 days ago. Is it redundant now? I notice Neos coin and bittrex get a mention in there. Will we be picking up the app from GitHub?
That's quite a bit to not know!
Re: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service
Forgive all the questions, but it's now mid-August and updates/communications are reducing instead of the expected opposite. With other channels of communication, marketing and transparency being closed down (twitter and slack chat) perhaps we could get some clarity on the MASS project here?
In the FAQ there was talk of getting the product ready before the ICO, which was aimed to start mid-August. Is there any update on the project (aside from legal or white hat hacker), ICO or any images of the web dapp or other products you can share please?
It seems like a step back and push back of original deadlines to restart pre-sales when we should be roughly a month out from the ICO ending (and thus people getting access to their currency).
As the MASS team have decided to restart pre-sales instead of moving to ICO as planned, are you going to offer further refund opportunities? It could be fair to say that although the FAQs on the website have changed recently, they did once say that this was not going to be a project that would suffer from unnecessary delays and go on indefinitely like others.
Perhaps some explanation as to why the legal issues are holding up the ICO but not pre-sales and why no marketing has taken place if more sales are needed to get the project off the ground?
In the FAQ there was talk of getting the product ready before the ICO, which was aimed to start mid-August. Is there any update on the project (aside from legal or white hat hacker), ICO or any images of the web dapp or other products you can share please?
It seems like a step back and push back of original deadlines to restart pre-sales when we should be roughly a month out from the ICO ending (and thus people getting access to their currency).
As the MASS team have decided to restart pre-sales instead of moving to ICO as planned, are you going to offer further refund opportunities? It could be fair to say that although the FAQs on the website have changed recently, they did once say that this was not going to be a project that would suffer from unnecessary delays and go on indefinitely like others.
Perhaps some explanation as to why the legal issues are holding up the ICO but not pre-sales and why no marketing has taken place if more sales are needed to get the project off the ground?
You should subscribe to the mailing list where any updates will take place.
When there are updates they will be posted to that mailing list, as well as to the Telegram announce channel, and here. Until then that is the 'update'.
We are waiting on updates, and while waiting on that we continue to work on the project.
We can't communicate 'no news', so don't expect it. When there is, we will.
If you update here, why would I need to subscribe to email or Telegram?
I thought there was something like $1.9mln of ETH raised through the pre-sale so far? I could be confused, but when you hold that much money after asking a community to contribute, it's not really ok to just say, there "no news" or "sit tight".
That wouldn't wash in any normal course of business or project, so I don't see why it should just because this is a token sale and ICO.
How has development of the product been going? Most other projects in this space provide regular developer updates or updates about what the team have been busy doing. I don't think there is any respectable project in crypto that doesn't have proper communications setup for it's community.
Although there is "no news", perhaps you could share some thoughts on why you would reel back on marketing and visibility rather than increasing it closer to the ICO? Why have twitter and slack chat been shut down? It doesn't make sense? Surely you would want more people to hype up the ICO?
Again, it is very much not cool to start crowd funding then decide that you don't really feel like communicating with contributors to the fund. Not unless you don't really care about the community funding the project.
Buck up your ideas and come back with some updates please!
Re: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service
Forgive all the questions, but it's now mid-August and updates/communications are reducing instead of the expected opposite. With other channels of communication, marketing and transparency being closed down (twitter and slack chat) perhaps we could get some clarity on the MASS project here?
In the FAQ there was talk of getting the product ready before the ICO, which was aimed to start mid-August. Is there any update on the project (aside from legal or white hat hacker), ICO or any images of the web dapp or other products you can share please?
It seems like a step back and push back of original deadlines to restart pre-sales when we should be roughly a month out from the ICO ending (and thus people getting access to their currency).
As the MASS team have decided to restart pre-sales instead of moving to ICO as planned, are you going to offer further refund opportunities? It could be fair to say that although the FAQs on the website have changed recently, they did once say that this was not going to be a project that would suffer from unnecessary delays and go on indefinitely like others.
Perhaps some explanation as to why the legal issues are holding up the ICO but not pre-sales and why no marketing has taken place if more sales are needed to get the project off the ground?
In the FAQ there was talk of getting the product ready before the ICO, which was aimed to start mid-August. Is there any update on the project (aside from legal or white hat hacker), ICO or any images of the web dapp or other products you can share please?
It seems like a step back and push back of original deadlines to restart pre-sales when we should be roughly a month out from the ICO ending (and thus people getting access to their currency).
As the MASS team have decided to restart pre-sales instead of moving to ICO as planned, are you going to offer further refund opportunities? It could be fair to say that although the FAQs on the website have changed recently, they did once say that this was not going to be a project that would suffer from unnecessary delays and go on indefinitely like others.
Perhaps some explanation as to why the legal issues are holding up the ICO but not pre-sales and why no marketing has taken place if more sales are needed to get the project off the ground?