You shouldn't invest into altcoins.

Now, crypto 2.0 technologies is a different matter.

Altcoin is just a coin like Bitcoin; crypto 2.0 are platforms to leverage decentralization with many use cases.

I see you're in the mood of twisting words like lawyers.

Dude, the license here is the stake you purchase, that is your capital investment. The license gives you a right (what do you mean legal, I thought crypto currencies don't require a legal permission to operate?) to take part in the staking process, the stake is your mining rig except it's 'virtual' not physical, these PoS tokens you purchase is now your uninflatable intellectual property that secures the blockchain. Come on, that's easy enough to understand, don't pretend you don't get it

Since you consider licenses (intellectual property, not just physical property) an example of capital, think of the stake as a license that you invest into.

They do have capital requirements (stake needs to be purchased first just like ASICs need to be purchased), just not as wasteful as PoW systems (ASICs life is 6 months and then you need to upgrade to new ASICs, not to mention electricity fees, datacenter rent fees, etc. and all that at an increasingly wasteful rate to compete with other miners).

Inflatable PoS is wrong, no doubt about it. Any inflatable PoS crypto should be avoided. Luckily, there are uninflatable PoS crypto 2.0 technologies, which are not wasteful as PoW.

As the guy in this Bitcoin video said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlydjg1tiso
To succeed in life it's not enough to be stupid, you also need to have good manners
I guess good manners aren't common around these parts.

What are your predictions for Christmas? Would miners dump bitcoins to buy gifts for their loved ones and thus would Bitcoin re-test the $300-275 level (which still has an over 50% chance to hold) this December? Price action and order books look like selling pressure is gradually mounting.

Yes, but we discuss what the price depends upon, not what the cost to produce depends upon.

Only miners would be interested in the latter, whereas investors and users are interested to learn what drives the price.

Cost to produce depends on the price, that's correct.

But price depends on supply (supply (increase rate) is predictably stable in cryptos) and demand only.

Price doesn't depend on the cost to produce.

There is no connection between the cost to produce a crypto coin and the price, hence your conclusion is a fantasy.

Price is a function of supply and demand only.

If supply of a PoS is fixed or inflates at a predictable rate comparable to a PoW coin inflation rate, there is no reason for the market cap (and price too if total caps are the same) of a PoS coin to be below the market cap (price) of a PoW coin (Bitcoin has a first mover advantage vs all others, PoW and PoS coins, it shouldn't really be compared here for the purity of this experiment as it clearly wins now just based on the adoption numbers).

The bear market in crypto currencies will last thru October 2015, if repaying your loan can wait till then, you have a good chance to win.

Defeating fiat is like a whack-a-mole game. Fiat has lost many times in various countries over centuries, but it's still here. When fiat finally caves under the burden of its own issues, overdebtedness of the economy, etc., there will be a reset to another form of fiat, crypto currencies can gain a bigger market share as people lose confidence in fiat, but defeating it completely is unlikely, even if Bitcoin didn't have the flaws it has, it's still unlikely.


The Chinese tried unbacked paper currency = fiat many centuries ago, long before Europeans did. They pretty much invented this concept. It could be just a thousand years, not thousands, still it's a widely known concept to them.

Watching South Park since 90s here, love it.

Alright then, is the miner distribution possible? I'd like to compare who is more decentralized. Otherwise, how do we know if these coins aren't all owned by one large mining farm?

Does anybody know what's the hash rate of Monero vs Boolberry, as well as how many miners in both (miner distribution graph?)?

Of course, whatever functions longer has more credibility: PoW ~6 years, PoS -1 year, PoI - 0 (still in testing). However, dismissing flaws and vulnerabilities in systems that have run for a long enough time is not constructive. "Good enough" may be not enough for some rare case situations, which can happen under certain conditions, those rare case situations should be foreseen and measures should be applied prior to such events, it's only common sense in engineering.

How does this generate a profit for investors?

Trusting anything centralized is asking for trouble. NXT and SuperNet is all about decentralization. Withdraw from exchanges, don't wait for the SHTF.

Their investments in Bitcoin, obviously.

If you say so, there are no other options but to comply

I put the idiotic assumption in bold.
I guess you never heard about the concept of competition and how it helps any industry stay honest and innovating.