Same here, although only slightly negative. As I mentioned before on here I'm treating this as an investment so I'm not too terribly concerned about it as long as it doesn't go too negative.

However, there is anothing thing with the big network difficulty increase and the dropping BTC price on the exchanges to consider. it is at the point where I would get the same amount of BTC if I shut down my miners and spent the money I would have spent on electricity to just buy BTC on an exchange. My electricity costs are on the high end of what is practical so others probably have more room still. For now, I'm still mining and counting on the BTC price to start rising again soon.

Very nice work. I'm working on something similar, but I never thought about using an old fridge. What size is the air inlet and outlet for your box? I think that's what I'm struggling the most with right now. I can't get more than 3 841's and 1 741 running in mine without things overheating.

We all have to make the decisions that we think is best for our particular situation. Not everyone got into mining to build a business around it. There are plenty of people who have been happy just being a small home miner or hobby miner. Up until the last year or so that was still feasible. With the rapid increase in the network difficulty over the last year it doesn't make sense now for most people and it's going to make less and less sense as the difficulty continues it's upward climb.

I faced this same decision myself early this year. Been mining here since I started in Feb 2017 with 3 Bitmain R4's. As the price of BTC dropped and the network difficulty rose these things are less and less profitable. I was looking at probably going negative returns by summer on them. I decided that I enjoy doing this and being a small part of the mining community, so I'm staying. I bought 3 841's in April which I absolutely love. The quality of these things compared to the Bitmain machines is huge. I don't understand why they aren't more popular. I just sold my 3 R4's on eBay for about $1,000 each and used the proceeds of that to buy 3 more 841's which will be here on Monday.  That at least should keep me above water for a good while.  I'm a bit shocked that I could sell those R4's for as much as someone can buy 3 841's.

For me, I treat mining as an investment that also gives me enjoyment and satisfaction and expect a payoff in the future. But it is a very risky investment for sure so it isn't going to fit into everyone's portfolio.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this also mean that each one of our miners is expected to generate only 1/7.7 = 12% the amount of BTC it was expected to generate a year ago? With the diff increasing this fast it can't be much longer before the current generation of miners are no longer profitable without a serious jump in BTC value.

I've been mining on here since Feb 2017 (a little over a year) with 3 R4's that I bought off of ebay. I have been very happy here between the mostly friendly community and Kano's openness and willingness to so patiently answer the same questions over and over again. I can't imagine mining anywhere else.

I finally bit the bullet and decided to expand my little mine. I added 2 Avalon 741's about a week and a half ago and just got in 3 brand new Avalon 841's from Blockforge today and got those up and running and pointed here. After seeing my hash rate around 25TH for the last year it is really exciting to see about 80TH on the front page. Still one of the little guys but enjoying every minute of it. Let's get some blocks!!

As a miner in a pool that shares transaction fees, is anyone else missing the days (not that long ago) of the 14+ BTC block rewards? Although as a user of BTC the low fees are great and probably better for the currency in the long run.

I can only speak from my experience, but I've had 3 R4's running here in the basement for about a year with no problems. I chose them for my situation because they are not too noisy. Been mining here on kano with them the whole time and have about 2.5BTC to show for it. Not a huge sum, but I think at least as much as one would expect from 25TH. I have been quite happy with them.

Learn from my mistake and just do what I did not long ago. Just click on the "ignore" under his name and this will become a much nicer place for you. There are some people on every forum you just have to ignore.

Thanks. That's pretty incredible. That's 10 out of about 2063 or 1 in 206.3. According to the tables Kano has posted before the CDF tells us that we should expect 1 in 148 over 500%. So at least going back to the pool's 141st block we are quite a bit better than that.

You don't think the "pretty easy to do" comment was being a smart ass?

Huh? How does that answer my question smart ass?

Out of curiosity what is the actual number of blocks over 542% since the beginning of the pool? Including the block we're on now we have 4 out of the last 88 listed on the blocks page (or 1 in 22).

well, since I paid <$1500 each for them a good price in my eyes would simply at least recoup that cost. For the time being the 3 of them are netting me >$1,000 per month, so I'm just keeping a close eye on things. I'm not looking for a $3k price point. I was merely responding to the original poster and agreeing that the days of the home miner are numbered and probably coming to an end in 2018.

I have been thinking about this same thing for the last couple of months as well. I'm in an even worse place that you with my 27TH hashpower and really not able to add more without a decent investment. With the difficulty increasing as fast as it is and the BTC value leveling off a bit I'll be done mining in the next few months. The question I'm wrestling with now is whether to stop now and sell my miners at a good price on eBay or wait until later this spring to do it and take a chance that I can't get as much for the miners. Either way, I'm a bit sad about it since I've only been mining for about a year and have enjoyed it a lot. I just don't see this being profitable for a small time miner for much longer. I'm wonder what others in our situation are thinking.

Yes, thank you for saying it better than I was. Adding the year will fix the issue.

The biggest problem is the lack of a year. I stretch my browser out to full screen width and still no year. It's a minor thing and your time is better spent on more important things. I'll figure out how to work around it.

Quick question for you Kano. On the rewards page the date format is strange (e.g. 31/Dec 04:29). It didn't used to be like that. The last time I copy and pasted, back in August I think, it was like 8/25/2017 8:22:00. The new format is difficult to get into a spreadsheet. Is it something on my end doing that or was it changed in the last few months in one of your updates? Would it be possible to go back to a more standard format?

Also, is the rewards data available through the API?

We found that block 59 hours ago. CKPool app is always way behind and reporting blocks found days after they were found. I stopped using it for that reason.

I've been mining here since February with about 25TH. Per block payout right now is ranging from about 0.0045 to 0.0055 depending on the size of the block. It's not a ton but a nice little supplement that doesn't really require any work.

Aha! Thank you. I missed that detail. That makes perfect sense then.