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if you are not a shareholder of any FireMine shares you should probably find a more interesting discussion topic 
I dunno. This seems pretty interesting to me?
Launch IPO
Claim a few large payouts within days to attempt to get more buy-ins.
Less than 2 weeks later stop trading, blame it on the cryptostocks website and "offer" to buy-back shares at steeply discounted rates?
Da fuck?
I have looked at the info before on what it takes to be listed on Cryptostocks, and IMHO, they need to up their requirements. Too many scams have been on there. Ooooohhhhh...take the money and run....
FWIW - I just checked and mine has changed as well. Like mentioned above, the old address probably will still work, but if you try it, just try a small amount to see what happens.
The supervisor is Nobuaki Kobayashi at Nagashima Ohno & Tsunematsu in Tokyo.
If you have evidence of fraud or unauthorized transactions, I'd suggest putting it into a clearly written document, have it translated to Japanese, and sending the document, in both English and Japanese, with a suitable cover letter, to him at the firm's office in Tokyo. Their fax number is +81-3-5213-7800. That will put it into the record of the case. It's entirely appropriate to contact the bankruptcy supervisor if irregular activity is discovered.
(One way to get a semi-decent translation of your own writing is to run what you've written through Google Translate to Japanese and back to English. Rewrite your text until it's clear after double translation. Then you have some confidence that it will be understood at the receiving end. Write in English with a very formal tone, and hope that makes it through the translator.)
(You can send faxes via PDF-to-fax services if necessary.)
If you have evidence of fraud or unauthorized transactions, I'd suggest putting it into a clearly written document, have it translated to Japanese, and sending the document, in both English and Japanese, with a suitable cover letter, to him at the firm's office in Tokyo. Their fax number is +81-3-5213-7800. That will put it into the record of the case. It's entirely appropriate to contact the bankruptcy supervisor if irregular activity is discovered.
(One way to get a semi-decent translation of your own writing is to run what you've written through Google Translate to Japanese and back to English. Rewrite your text until it's clear after double translation. Then you have some confidence that it will be understood at the receiving end. Write in English with a very formal tone, and hope that makes it through the translator.)
(You can send faxes via PDF-to-fax services if necessary.)
Is that the attorney firm for GOX? Is there contact information for the actual bankruptcy "courts" in Japan for this type of information as well? If we were to submit potential evidence/information, would it not be best to submit to the bankruptcy courts instead of GOX counsel?
Another theory is that the feds allowed Mark to withdraw a part of his bitcoins, remmeber that so far this is the theory that makes most sense.
Maybe. However when they made their statement, they claimed that the DHS seizure was ~$5mil worth of assets. These are over $150million and these wallets weren't "counted" when they released their assets/liability claims.
FWIW
The wallets mentioned prior in this thread believed to be MtGox....ALL of them just transfered ALL of their bitcoin.
The wallets mentioned prior in this thread believed to be MtGox....ALL of them just transfered ALL of their bitcoin.
i clicked them for a while... why would you want to divide the money in two again and again? is it a laundry attempt?
this one
https://blockchain.info/address/1Fgwy6cQdErkpBCXvUG7tFhz3XjwH24ceB
ended up here... for now
https://blockchain.info/address/15aXrKKUEfbrXp597VDnhjZCvmtmny4HjK
https://blockchain.info/address/1HvZCdxDxBhh2qpfJreDXmwgXzUpWHTrGV
https://blockchain.info/address/1HFbqHsWAT5QSVzBSp9CipQUcAnnSMCXm4
https://blockchain.info/address/18VbFf4PiLuFEFnbL6aTkE6hFPpqexjYwA
https://blockchain.info/address/1AfP1UTbfNZvDchSk8pT5FZYWj1DszHKBF
https://blockchain.info/address/1CmNbE1oEwuQBs9a2gBEJcd3WdiafcpgGs
https://blockchain.info/address/1DY7AExSNUbY1xRUHk9yoUgKhr9QpouDe5
https://blockchain.info/address/13rmvsgWZZhxM7UpgSmo42BTY96BdBEQxK
https://blockchain.info/address/19Ur4vyB1VuVX4EQSp59LAbzxxY6Qjpqra
https://blockchain.info/address/14qQBEVeU65Ncm3CLfhJ8XuHevqCabfzoG
https://blockchain.info/address/1BczD7RwTa3c1bQDvb4aPyt6EYyvL11F4a
https://blockchain.info/address/1PHcR21z5ubejzR1x3LjDAe7JfYEh5u4i8
https://blockchain.info/address/1AQLfQ7PBhKy5HjCYG5wuAzjYuBpEsUwTQ
https://blockchain.info/address/1N5ws4P1GCCw695FpnhayHmmW288wmN3o
https://blockchain.info/address/1JM4pGoa7LWtfy6vDV3KwEBS2HDkQtV32B
https://blockchain.info/address/1BDBerhweCHuLjAeLXpR5TTia7gWmyTmHE
https://blockchain.info/address/19TyfwXyC41U2rCRdb5LNkkaZgGNyss49t
https://blockchain.info/address/1QDD2ZEnTTwuuryb2mZbABmqiANiKrCACB
https://blockchain.info/address/1EpoN8QiTLZxGwAKLnQ2RysHRZBDydjHqy
https://blockchain.info/address/1GRJycBJMQ41XkCygGKURgkqLd2qkwCQDB
https://blockchain.info/address/1NobuZ86rkMkk66nP3DfEUH7WYh4cHU4PS
https://blockchain.info/address/1Ewk1sqTMYw41aYgtQiWvuoZbGGa99wHyj
May be the thief (thieves) moving funds...
They are dividing sums and sending them to different addresses.
They are currently transferring and dividing big sums from each new address to two new addresses.
Every step makes sums twice smaller.
And it is happening NOW !
They are dividing sums and sending them to different addresses.
They are currently transferring and dividing big sums from each new address to two new addresses.
Every step makes sums twice smaller.
And it is happening NOW !
Pft. There was no "theft". That's BS. ALL of the 5 wallets in the link above were known to last be accessed by Mt.Gox in 2011. How could they (GOX) claim that those bitcoin were "stolen" when they were still sitting in those wallets the entire time and were never touched (until this morning that is). What, someone stole the keys to those wallets? I don't believe that. A thief would have transferred and started tumbling those BTC the moment they had access to it, not sit and wait for GOX to fall, have all eyes on GOX and then 2+ years later all of a sudden wake up one morning and decide to wipe the wallets out.
wow that's fucked up, over 100m dollars moved with a click of a button almost instantly!!!
with 0 fee's!
Fees 0 BTC
with 0 fee's!
Fees 0 BTC
Actually, about $150million, give or take.
I can't believe this isn't bigger news. All bitcoin/crypto bloggers still focusing on the LA Bitcoin Chase from yesterday. This should be plastered all over the place right now. It's pretty damn apparent that MtGox was the last entity to have access to those bitcoins and now all of a sudden, all of those wallets on the same day are being emptied out. Wallets that haven't been touched since 2011. All at the same time. All getting "tumbled" through different addresses.
Unless MtGox releases a statement stating that they have recovered a vast amount of their "missing" bitcoins, I'm going to assume that someone either at Gox or associated with GOX is trying to get all of these bitcoin tumbled for their own personal gain.
Unless MtGox releases a statement stating that they have recovered a vast amount of their "missing" bitcoins, I'm going to assume that someone either at Gox or associated with GOX is trying to get all of these bitcoin tumbled for their own personal gain.
See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494695.msg5450600#msg5450600
Reasonable belief that ALL of those wallets were under MtGox control the last time they were accessed. Now all of a sudden in 1 day, ALL of them are getting their bitcoin transferred out?
DA FUQ???
Reasonable belief that ALL of those wallets were under MtGox control the last time they were accessed. Now all of a sudden in 1 day, ALL of them are getting their bitcoin transferred out?
DA FUQ???
The "found" MtGox Bitcoin wallets all on the move right now???
See this thread:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494695.msg5450600#msg5450600
All of a sudden this morning, the bitcoin from ALL of those wallets are on the move. About 207,000 bitcoin. Every wallet. Thoughts?
All of a sudden this morning, the bitcoin from ALL of those wallets are on the move. About 207,000 bitcoin. Every wallet. Thoughts?
Re: REWARD - Find The Cold Storage Wallets Of MtGox Before Supposed Theft
This thread is only for a complete bulletproof theory
There in-lies the problem. The only way to get a complete bulletproof theory is to get MtGox to open up their information and records to be scrutinized, which, hah...yeah right.
With the info from the letstalkbitcoin action from 2011, it's about as solid as you can get that:
1. The two wallets being referred to were created by MtGox/Mark
2. On 2011-11-16 05:59:08, 40,000 bitcoin were transferred one wallet: (https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV)
3. Those 40,000 bitcoin were untouched and to this moment are still in that wallet.
4. On 2011-11-16 05:59:08, 50,000 bitcoin were transferred to the other wallet: (https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9)
5. Those 50,000 bitcoin were untouched and to this moment are still in that wallet.
TL;DR - Pretty substantial proof MTGOX/Mark had control of those wallets when the deposits were made and the bitcoin haven't moved since.
Re: REWARD - Find The Cold Storage Wallets Of MtGox Before Supposed Theft
Here's probably some. About 270k worth:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494695.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494695.0
Re: MtGox: Seeking Truth - Stolen or Lost? It's an important distinction.
Just because the Bitcoin can be traced to a wallet without movement doesn't mean that the Bitcoin isn't lost or stolen. Both can still be the case, unless the address can be attached to personal or corporate identification. Even then, Bitcoin can still be lost if the personal keys are lost.
What are the addresses to the 270k Bitcoin?
What are the addresses to the 270k Bitcoin?
See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494695.0
Don't forget to look at the letstalkbitcoin link too to explain the first 2 wallets that got 90,000 worth of bitcoin deposited into them in 2011.
Re: Where are the 800,000 BTC stolen from Mt Gox on the blockchain?
See this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494695.0
11 wallets uncovered so far that have solid probability they are under GOX's control. 270,000 bitcoins in them ($154.5million USD)
11 wallets uncovered so far that have solid probability they are under GOX's control. 270,000 bitcoins in them ($154.5million USD)
those 11 wallets are nothing in this case.
Transactions from 2011, and some others. Those are not any proofs.
Did you read this in conjunction with it? http://letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/#.UxJcd-NdUhN
Re: MtGox: Seeking Truth - Stolen or Lost? It's an important distinction.
Neither. Not accessible.
11 wallets uncovered so far containing 270,000 bitcoins that have pretty compelling proof that they are those of MtGox. IMHO, they f8cked up and lost access to the private keys, because all of those wallets still have BTC sitting in them and they aren't moving.
11 wallets uncovered so far containing 270,000 bitcoins that have pretty compelling proof that they are those of MtGox. IMHO, they f8cked up and lost access to the private keys, because all of those wallets still have BTC sitting in them and they aren't moving.
However, with the addresses listed above, there's no bitcoin going out of them. The bitcoin have been sitting there for quite some time, and they are still there.
If someone was going to steal the bitcoins, would they not immediately start transferring them all over the place and breaking them up?
I find it hard to believe that someone would have stolen the bitcoin and then just parked them in increments of 10k and then just let them sit there?
If someone was going to steal the bitcoins, would they not immediately start transferring them all over the place and breaking them up?
I find it hard to believe that someone would have stolen the bitcoin and then just parked them in increments of 10k and then just let them sit there?
It APPEARS ( 
) that 90,000 of the bitcoin (~$49million USD) are sitting in these 2 wallets untouched:
https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV
https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9
) that 90,000 of the bitcoin (~$49million USD) are sitting in these 2 wallets untouched: https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV
https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9
do we know gox own these?
See here:
http://letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/#.UxI-KuNdUhN
Pretty compelling.
If you add up all the wallets that are mentioned in this thread, it's ~270,000 bitcoin ($154.5million).