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How to improve pool's luck
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dualminer_3
on 03/06/2014, 04:31:50 UTC
Dear All,

I have installed a LTC pool and tested it for a month. It seems the share percentage is higher then expected (bad luck). The average share percentage of All Time is 117.33%. Last seven days is 134.73%.
Is this normal? Is there some works I can do to improve this number? Do I need a special wallet software for mining pool? Or may I need fine tune .conf file of litecoind?

Looking forward to any feedback. Thanks in advance!

dualminer
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
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dualminer_3
on 11/03/2014, 23:09:53 UTC
I would remove the -pll 850 parameter. I am getting appropriate hashrate without using the -dualminer-pll parameter, and I have noticed instability when using this parameter on previous versions of cgminer. Regarding your invalid nonce error, I get those too occasionally, though you should see less once you drop your pll parameter.  Are you mining over a wifi connection? This would be the next thing I investigate if removing the non-necessary parameters doesn't help and you are using 9 DMs per p10-u2.

My rig is on a direct Ethernet connection, not Wifi. I'll take the parameter out and keep any eye on the logs.

Thanks CruzCoins!


The HW error is expected, especially, when DM works above 850Mhz.
The HW error means a returned nonce result does NOT meet the mining target requirement (if you know some mining theory) . This could happen in some cases:
1. The chip could do a wrong calculation. If it is overclocked, the chip could generate more error. That's why 850MHz will give more errors than 800Mhz.
2. Some errors could happen in the communication between DM device and cgminer. Something like uart buffer overflow.

Since higher clock frequency could introduce instability of the electronic signal, most of HW error is caused by the first reason.

HW error is different to the reject error. Reject error is caused by mining pool. If a new block had been generated and DM was still working on previous job, some nonces of previous job maybe still queued in a buffer of cgminer. If cgminer submit these old result to pool, the pool will reject them.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
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dualminer_3
on 25/02/2014, 04:04:31 UTC
@mineryyyyy

Find a right //./COMxx name for LTC only is a pain, so that is why we developed a GUI for that. GUI uses a script to detect miners and ports, than use the right port automatically.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 24/02/2014, 15:17:00 UTC
Does anyone know if the dualminer version of cgminer will work with the 5 chip units?

It doesn't support 5 chip units
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 22/02/2014, 22:12:20 UTC
scrypt only mining, just use the version on github. Have a look the readme file to know how to build it for Linux. The dip switch is very important. It changes the voltage of electricity. To get higher scrypt mining performance, switch it to L. When the switch is on L. You can mine at 850Mhz. Otherwise, only 600Mhz or below be used.

From the above example I am using

cgminer.exe --scrypt --lo -o stratum+tcp://ltc.give-me-coins.com:3333 -u TomInVa57 -p 12 -S //./COM3 --dualminer-pll 850

the only thing that happens is the cgminer command window opens and immediately shuts down.. Switch is in LTC mode only.

NOTE: Pay attention to the device name in command line. There are two serial port devices appear if the VCP driver installed successfully. One for BTC nonce report, another for LTC nonce report.  

For example, if you see COM3 and COM4, usually COM3 is BTC port, COM4 is LTC. In some rare case, COM4 is for BTC, COM3 is for LTC.

To do a LTC only mode mining(--lo is given), please give the BTC port as the device name. In this mode, the chip is configured to report LTC nonce to BTC port.
In dual mode, make sure BTC mining process uses BTC port, LTC mining process uses LTC port.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 22/02/2014, 04:09:13 UTC
scrypt only mining, just use the version on github. Have a look the readme file to know how to build it for Linux. The dip switch is very important. It changes the voltage of electricity. To get higher scrypt mining performance, switch it to L. When the switch is on L. You can mine at 850Mhz. Otherwise, only 600Mhz or below be used.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 22/02/2014, 02:56:50 UTC
You're not going to make much money dual mining. Put it into LTC mode and mine alts. Much more profitable.

I was not asking about profitabilty.
I am just curious about the dual mining capability as this is the first miner with a gridseed chip available to most of us, isn't it?
There are more devices to be released in the near future and I haven't seen any information regarding the pool configuratiion in dual mining mode.

More important right now: At the moment, I see that cpuminer seems to be doing his job in the shell, but I don't see any confirmation from the scrypt pools about that either.
Did anyone have success with it so far?

Cheers


Previous version software supports dual mode. If you use previous software on Windows, you can do dual mode with following commands.
We have to start two cgminers. One is for BTC mining. Another is for LTC mining. This two process use same exe file.

Start BTC mining with command:
cgminer.exe --dualminer-pll 500 --dualminer-btc 64 -o stratum+tcp://btc.give-me-coins.com:3335 -u xxxxx -p xxxx -S //./COMxxx


COMxx is the device name on Windows. --dualminer-pll is for clock freq. --dualminer-btc is for how many units you want to open
Start LTC mining with command:
cgminer.exe --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://ltc.give-me-coins.com:3333 -u xxxx -p xxxx -S //./COMxx
--scrypt is for scrypt mining.

If you just want to mine LTC, you can use:
cgminer.exe --scrypt --lo -o stratum+tcp://ltc.give-me-coins.com:3333 -u xxx -p xxx -S //./COMxx --dualminer-pll 850

The --lo param forces cgminer only mine LTC. In LTC only mode, only one cgminer is needed

The version on github doesn't support this dual mode. We will add dual mode support by next Wednesday. After this work done, you can do a dual mine with just only one cgminer.

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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 21/02/2014, 13:26:47 UTC
you should look in to why these miners die after x amount of hours

Power's instability will cause this problem. The more stable of the power supply, the more stable of the mining. A better USB 2.0 hub helps lots here.
NOTE: some hubs have a surge protector. The surge protector will limit the current that drew by mining device. It will kick off the device when there is a surge. These kind of hub is NOT good for mining. A self powered hub with surplus power is the best.

We will keep fine tuning our software to improve the stability. A planing software feature is periodically check device status. If find a device stop mining, the software will try to stop/restart mining thread. Hope this method will improve stability lot.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 21/02/2014, 12:26:33 UTC
Dear scrypt coin fans,

After two weeks hard working, we have ported dualminer to cgminer version 3.5.0. It's NOT version 3.7 that we said in previous post. After previous post, our development team thought jump to version 3.7 is a little risky. So we just ported dualminer to 3.5, then merged most functions of last version into it. Start from this version, we will put our work to github. Please go to https://github.com/dualminer get cgminer source code.

The major improvements in this version are:
1. Use libusb communicate with miner device
2. multiple devices support on beaglebone black, dozens devices on BBB can mine overnight.
3. dual mode mining function hasn't finish yet, it's NOT recommended now.

At this moment, we haven't formally released new version Windows bundle installer. We will do a full test on it for next couple days. Planing to release the installer next Wednesday.

By the way, we created a forum for our dualminer discussion. Have a look http://forum.dualminer.com

DualMiner Team
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 16/02/2014, 06:00:05 UTC
Are you also opening it up a bit so other mining software like BFGMiner and MultiMiner can run these?
I am really liking my DualMiner it is just a pain to run separate mining software programs for them.

The firmware on the device is not upgradable. We don't need upgrade it actually. The firmware just convert USB to serial. Start from next version, our Windows GUI app will be upgradable. About PC Linux or ARM linux, since we will open the source code, users can upgrade to new version source code. To do a Linux upgrade, the user need have some experience on Linux.

Yes, BFGMiner and MultiMiner can run dualminer devices if the code merged into them.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 16/02/2014, 04:31:04 UTC
The firmware on the device is not upgradable. We don't need upgrade it actually. The firmware just convert USB to serial. Start from next version, our Windows GUI app will be upgradable. About PC Linux or ARM linux, since we will open the source code, users can upgrade to new version source code. To do a Linux upgrade, the user need have some experience on Linux.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 16/02/2014, 03:48:50 UTC
Hi dualminer_3 is there going to be any firmware update for these to get a bit more performance out of them??
They run great but there seems to be room for improvement in the firmware.


@minorminer,
We will create a open source project on github for our software. Pi should work. We haven't test pi board yet. As long as we have solid result on beaglebone black. We will start work on pi if there are issues on it.

Change the command line param --dualminer-pll will give you little more hash. In ltc only mode, the default value is 800M. Change it to 850 or 900 will increase the performance. However, only some chips can work on 900Mhz. This variety is mainly because the manufacturing process.

NOTE: change this parameter to higher value may cause high temp and damage the device. This kind of damage is NOT cover by warranty
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 16/02/2014, 00:48:52 UTC
@minorminer,
We will create a open source project on github for our software. Pi should work. We haven't test pi board yet. As long as we have solid result on beaglebone black. We will start work on pi if there are issues on it.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 14/02/2014, 08:22:20 UTC
When can we anticipate the Linux version?

We are working hard on Linux version software. And hope to release it some time in next week.
We have a Linux version software now actually. It works in most case when do a single device mining. It has some issues on multiple device mining, especially on beaglebone black board. Because a issue in USB to serial driver, Only 5 devices can mine together on beaglebone black board. The good news is we have resolved this issue yesterday. We changed the communication API from COM to pure USB api. This change requires a cgminer upgrade and code merge. It takes time. The latest development progress: Today, we have confirmed that on beaglebone, more than 64 devices can mine overnight stably.

In summary, we will release a cgminer in next week. It is based on cgminer 3.7. Please stay in tune!
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 28/01/2014, 06:17:55 UTC
So here is my 2cents on if this is worth it.

There was mention earlier of the prices for mining LTC with these USB sticks vs with GPUs. And noted that
after the power costs the average card would cost about 100 bucks cheaper a year.


Let's convert this number to kiloWatts by dividing by 1000, to get 0.28 kiloWatts.

These devices, that have been on for 24 hours, have consumed

0.28 Watts × 24 hours = 6.72 kWh (kiloWatt-hour) of energy.
Finally, since energy costs you $0.15/kiloWatt-hour, these devices have costed you:

6.72 kWh × $0.15f/kWh = $1.01 a day * 365 days = $368.65 to run a GPU for a year

Which gives you 700Kh?


Now instead you buy 10 of the USBs and run them LTC only and you have spent $980

Let's say they use 20 watts a day ($0.07 a day) or $25 a year to run

$980 + 25 = $1005 for 700Kh is total operating for a year for these.

A GPU of the 7970 type is $440 plus the $368 for electricity is $808 cost to operate for a year.


Both the GPU and the USB Dual miners require a computer so we wont add those in and we wont add in the $80 for a good USB hub to run 10 of them.



I am not going to argue that its cheaper or roughly the same price to build a rig with USBs then GPUs. But
there are two other points to consider.

They are:
1. The cost of cooling.

2. The scalability of the setup.

So I live in Texas and A/C is almost worshiped more then the Good Lord. I have 9 cards. They push out a
decent amount of BTU. In fact a 5000 BTU window unit would have a hard to keeping up. So I got a 12,000 BTU
standing unit. So it runs roughly 1/10th (or a little less) the total time in a 24 hour period. These little
USB guys do get hot but the total BTU will probably be much less then there GPU equivalent. Thus there is
some power saved by cooling.

Of course the amount of power saved probably isn't $100 a year. Well depending on the size. Which brings me
to the second point. Scalability.(I should try to caculated my average cooling costs and post
them in another forum as here probably wouldn't be a good place for that)

So I mentioned I have 9 cards. I currently have 40 amps. Or two 12Gauge cables connecting two 20AMP breakers
to two 15 AMP wall sockets. So actually I only have 30 AMPs. Its a iffy buisness when you start pushing
more then 15 AMPs. And the moment you want a rig or rigs that have more then say 4/5 cards and you don't
live in a DataCenter you are going to run into problems. My 9 cards (and a case fan and an butterfly 60Gh miner)
is pushing nearly 20 total amps! Then there is my standing 12,000 BTU AC. The setup has space for 7 more cards
but not enough power. The amount of work/money involved needs to be caculated as well. 12Gauge wire isn't cheap.

All this to say. If I want to expand my rig without buying office space (with 4 other mining hobbiest in my
area, yeah we are currently looking into that) I am going to have to spend a lot more money and time putting
new sockets in my walls. But with this I can expand to much faster hashing rates.

Side Note: With the operating costs much lower my investiment can operate longer before it losses is
profitablity. What I mean to say is with ASICs around the corner in the next year for scypt my 9 cards are
going to become obsolete sooner then those USB sticks.  


And sorry for the long post. *sigh*

P.S: I paid for 3 of these today. I will post back here again with more info like how fast I get tracking info and when I actually get the products And how fast 3 mine together not just one.

Hi orcephrye,

Thanks for your long post! You just said what I want to say. Power supply is always the limitation of mining operation. "Green" ASIC chip helps a lot to reduce operation cost, especially to serious miner like you.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 26/01/2014, 11:41:51 UTC
Anyone tried to use them on linux or/and Raspberry PI? cgminer? bfgminer? tnx!

About Linux on BBB or PI, we are working on issues on BBB and Linux. Because Chinese New Year, we may release it about mid of Feb.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 24/01/2014, 10:32:31 UTC
We developed a special version cgminer for dualminer. The customization is mainly because cgminer on github doesn't support dual mine mode. The latest version of cgminer even removed scrypt support, :-(. Also we are keeping a eye on bfgminer. We may release a bfgminer for dualminer. Currently only a customized cgminer is developed. As long as we start mass shipping, we will release cgminer that works on Linux. At that time, Beaglebone or PI can be used to control/manage dualminer usb.

Where can we download this special version of cgminer?

Cheers

Please go to http://support.dualminer.com for the software on Windows PC.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 23/01/2014, 08:41:10 UTC
Can these (and other, similar, dual-use devices) mine both BTC and LTC simultaneously? Or is the user (or perhaps mining software) supposed to pick one at a time to mine?

Quote from first page and from the website:

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Hash Rate: Dual Mode: 40KH/s LTC, 500MH/s BTC, or LTC Mode: 70KH/s LTC, BTC Off
Thanks, I missed that on their Web site.  But on the first page of this thread, there's no performance info from the OP.  I reviewed all posts by the OP, in fact, and he doesn't mention the specs in any of them.

Another poster posted the theoretical stats of the chip they're using:

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 BTC mode up to 2.25G/s BTC Hash Rate, with 2.4W/GHash
 LTC mode up to 60K/s LTC Hash Rate
 Due-Coin mode up to 1.75G/s BTC Hash Rate + 60K/s LTC Hash Rate, or up to 2.25G/s BTC Hash
Rate + 38K LTC Hash Rate

So two things jump out at me:

First, why is there such a difference between the theoretical stats and the quoted performance, particularly on BTC? And why is the BTC-only mode eliminated?

Second, what software would be able to use this gizmo to dual-mine simultaneously? On their site, they say "Customized Windows software with GUI" but they also mention Linux; and their screenshots are of a command-line miner. Depending on how the software is implemented, it may not be able to run on unusual hardware like a Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone.  Custom-developed miners are sometimes less efficient than dedicated software like cgminer or bfgminer, so we could be giving up precious hashes. Definitely need more info on this front.

We developed a special version cgminer for dualminer. The customization is mainly because cgminer on github doesn't support dual mine mode. The latest version of cgminer even removed scrypt support, :-(. Also we are keeping a eye on bfgminer. We may release a bfgminer for dualminer. Currently only a customized cgminer is developed. As long as we start mass shipping, we will release cgminer that works on Linux. At that time, Beaglebone or PI can be used to control/manage dualminer usb.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
by
dualminer_3
on 23/01/2014, 08:32:56 UTC
Wait, can't you just buy an R9 270X at 425kH/s and an U1 at 1.6GH/s for $300 instead of 3 of these at 120kH/s and 1.5GH/s for $300?  I don't understand the advantage of these devices.  Maybe at half the price?  Looks like Ebay candy to me.
If we talk about kh/usd, this usb miner is not good than gpu miner currently. If we talk about kh/watt, usb miner is far better. Also usb miner have some flexibility. You can use a beaglebone board to control the usb miner.
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Re: [ANN] Introduction to DualMiner USB (could mine both BTC and LTC)
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dualminer_3
on 23/01/2014, 08:27:06 UTC
First, why is there such a difference between the theoretical stats and the quoted performance, particularly on BTC? And why is the BTC-only mode eliminated?

Second, what software would be able to use this gizmo to dual-mine simultaneously? On their site, they say "Customized Windows software with GUI" but they also mention Linux; and their screenshots are of a command-line miner. Depending on how the software is implemented, it may not be able to run on unusual hardware like a Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone.  Custom-developed miners are sometimes less efficient than dedicated software like cgminer or bfgminer, so we could be giving up precious hashes. Definitely need more info on this front.

Not at all related to this but I'm assuming the lower spec is because of lower power (needs to run off 2.5w total power)

Yeah, drmadison was right. If you want to plug a miner into PC's usb2.0 port. The miner's power must be lower than ~2.5w.