Looks like Max is moving on already..............

https://mobile.twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/883366809503772673?p=v

    
Max Keiser
@maxkeiser
   
With long-term success of #MaxCoin, should we launch #StacyCoin? Stacycoin.com
5:32 AM - 7 Jul 2017

I have retyped this from images that can be seen here https://t.me/startcoinuncensored


Karl Gray – 07 July 2017 posted on Bank to The Future

Hi All,

Several updates to report on, first we have received the backing of an overwhelming majority of class A shareholders  to the proposal for separating out StartCoin Holdings LTD into two companies, one will be based out of the UK and will exclusively hold SCH's ownership in Bitcoin Capital 1, 2,& 3, the second company will be based out of Ireland and will hold all other SCH assets.

We are in the process of setting up these companies and will update once these have been setup. The shareholdings in each company will reflect the current shareholding in SCH Ltd.

We are aware that some users have had difficulty withdrawing their StartCoin from their hosted wallets on Version 1 of StartJoin. There are a variety of reasons for this, some of them user error and some of them due to issues  with the platform (more on that in a moment). If you have attempted to withdraw coins and are having issues please send an email to hello @ startjoin.com and copy me (karl @ startjoin.com).

As many of you know we have reverted back to V1 of the StartJoin platform, a major reason for this was to facilitate the withdrawal of Startcoin by users but another major reason was the abject failure of the launch of V2. As many of you know the goal for V2 was to launch a new, scalable platform which incorporated all the features and functions of V1 built in a more robust feature rich way while adding many new features. During the development process we were constantly assured by the company we selected to perform the build (who came highly recommended) that they had done a detailed review of V1 and were fully versed on what was required. We were shocked when it came time to review the platform pre launch. We were again assured that this was a beta launch (despite having being told otherwise for months) and therefore we gave the green light. Over the following months after launch it became clear that we were no way near close to anything like what had been planned / designed during the previous 6 months. As a result of this we have ceased all relationships with this development company and V2 as is understood will no longer be used.

As we move forward we have decided that the priorities will be tacked in the following order:

First we will be concluding the restructuring of the corporate entities to facilitate any future marketing / sales of the Bitcoin Capital assets. Now that we have majority approval to move forward with this we anticipate that this process will take no more than two weeks.

Once this is complete we will be hiring and deploying internal developers to resolve the coin withdrawal issue. Once all users have received their coins we will be retiring V1 of the platform, to be replaced with a temporary landing page.

As these tasks are being completed we will be strategizing on the next steps for StartCoin Holdings

Interesting Charts:


https://twitter.com/GetJoeOut/status/869185449444737025


https://twitter.com/GetJoeOut/status/869184380811567104?s=09

https://twitter.com/derosetech/status/867094700188200961

Chris DeRose
https://twitter.com/paradimeshift https://twitter.com/StartJOIN Wonderful news, want to come on the show to discuss?

Startcoin Holdings Ltd - https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08624882

Be sure not to miss this page - https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08624882/persons-with-significant-control

Also see here - https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08624882/filing-history/MzEzMjY1MzI2OGFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0
                     (Note: Heisenberg Capital is Max Keiser - Simon Dixon mentions the company in the Chris DeRose interview above.)

So Karl Gray is employed as a director by StartCOIN Holdings as well as being a voting shareholder.

The pitch to sell StartCOIN Holdings shares on BTTF - https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2049
Max Keiser owns 97.66% of Startcoin Holdings... only 2.44% of the company was offered on BTTF of which Max through Heisenberg Capital bought the largest portion.


Kind of makes you question why Karl would put himself in the firing line for so much abuse. 

In the above Bitcoin Uncensored Interview with Chris and Simon there is mention of "the email" here is what it said;


"StartJOIN @startjoin_announcements29m
Today we are excited to announce that StartCOIN Holdings is issuing a one-time dividend to all our shareholders, who have invested in the company via the BnktotheFuture platform.

StartCOIN holdings will be allocating each of our shareholders a percentage of StartCOIN Holdings ownership of Bitcoin Capital commensurate to the equity position they currently hold in StartCOIN Holdings.

As you might be aware, through the Bitcoin Capital vehicle, StartCOIN Holdings has accumulated a position in some of the most exciting companies in the world. Through this dividend, each shareholder will effectively receive shares in these companies at early stage valuations.

The team at BnkToTheFuture is currently finalising their audit on the holdings within Bitcoin Capital. Once we receive the details on number of shares, valuations etc. for each company, we will contact each shareholder with a detailed report of their dividend.

We look forward to hearing feedback from the community on these steps over the coming days and as always we will be available to answer questions on Yap or feel free to contact us via hello @startjoin.com.

On a Separate Note - In addition to the dividend for shareholders we have taken the decision to decrease the total possible supply of StartCoin by “burning” 2 Million StartCOIN from the pre-mine pool. The purpose of this deflationary action is to increase the value of those coins already in circulation and held by the StartJOIN community."



But within less than an hour of the email being sent out Simon Dixon posted the following comment in a Telegram chat (StartcoinUncensored)

"IMPORTANT/URGENT Public Notice: BnkToTheFuture were not contacted by anybody at SCH about the recent announcement involving Bitcoin Capital and BnkToTheFuture. We are waiting to hear from Karl why this announcement was made publicly without informing us and without our knowledge. Also, please note we are not conducting any 'audit' for SCH in relation to the recent dividends announcement. We received this announcement as we are subscribed to their newsletter. We believe there are regulatory challenges that SCH may not have considered which is the reason why we are now waiting to hear from SCH and make a formal inquiry in regards to the recent announcement. Any movement in the price of StartCOIN as a result of this announcement should not be attributed to BnkToTheFuture in any way."


Hence the reason why Simon Dixon and Karl Gray are meeting this week, hope this helps everyone.

Chris DeRose of Bitcoin Uncensored...........

Interviews Simon Dixon of Bank To The Future about StartCoin, StartJoin, Bitcoin Capital, Karl Gray and Max Keiser


Part 1 - The History of StartCOIN: Max Keiser's involvement and where it went wrong with Simon Dixon  9:22
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQhcrEZcup0&list=PLqwJ8pFu44ZDhcVEbZs0BrWq16JdhxDJG
            
"In the beginning of our four part interview with Simon Dixon on BnkToTheFuture, we learn about the evolution and development of StartCOIN and StartJOIN, its early beginning with Max Keiser as well as Simon's history of crowdfunding and regulatory efforts in the United Kingdom. Simon Dixon articulates why crowdfunding economics doesn't make sense, and how these securities crash."

Part 2 - Lessons Learned: Cloud Mining, Bitcoin Capital, Perpetual Liabilities and Max Keiser  17:48
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alXzWVCIllI&index=2&list=PLqwJ8pFu44ZDhcVEbZs0BrWq16JdhxDJG

"In part two of the Simon Dixon interview, Simon talks about lessons learned with Genesis Cloud mining during StartCOIN, Dash, and Ethereum during early StartJOIN mining crowdfunds. Simon discusses his ownership in the mining ventures, Perpetual Liabilities, CrowdFactor, and relationships behind the scenes. Max's gifting of Bitcoin Capital, and the motivations behind his disappearance."

Part 3 - Zero Sum Games: Companies that make Companies, Fiduciary Duty, Money made and by whom  12:43
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN-uAfyU2HA&index=3&list=PLqwJ8pFu44ZDhcVEbZs0BrWq16JdhxDJG

"In Part Three of Simon Dixon's Interview we ask where did the StartCOIN, Max Keiser, Karl Gray, and Simon Dixon funds come from? We discuss Bitcoin Capital's focus (or lack thereof). Who's responsible for losses. Who gained from the venture. What is an ICO and fundraisers fiduciary duty? Would SEC regulations prevent losses, and is there an efficiency in investor accreditation. What is regulatory arbitrage if not regulatory compliance, but with with the Rube Goldberg machine."

Part 4 - What's Next for Simon Dixon & ICO Crowdfunding: Can you be scammed by anything but greed?  23:37
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l3qle3eAZs&index=4&list=PLqwJ8pFu44ZDhcVEbZs0BrWq16JdhxDJG

"Simon admits his failings, but is he really to blame? What's next for the newcomers, what are the ramifications of a bad investment, and are incumbent regulations wrong? Simon 'gets real' about the state of the movement (hint: it's a bubble) and we discuss the role that all of us play in evangelizing investment schemes, and the responsibility that we all share in the development of this industry. Simon says he'll try to get Max Keiser and Karl Gray on the show to discuss their part - we'll see what develops!"

Simon posted the "Public Notice" on Telegram in @startcoinuncensored, I read it earlier today.

He has since stepped back from what he said calling it a "miscommunication" he wrote;

Simon Dixon "UPDATE. We are now in communications with Karl and trying to resolve all miscommunications." 15:44

He may turn out to be a plant... but I'm already sure he's a f*cking tool 

He still owns 97.66% of Startjoin/Coin........ only 2.44% of the company was offered on BTTF (of which MK bought the largest portion),
raising £245,825 - yet they were unable to produce a useable website.


https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2049

New Startjoin site - https://v2.startjoin.com/

Telegram - https://telegram.me/startcoinuncensored

"Karl Gray just got approved/appointed/listed as director 2 days ago"

Who authorised the approval / appointment / listing of Karl Gray as director ?

My initial comment on this was to correct the statement that "Keiser doesn't own or run StartJoin and he doesn't run START" as it is incorrect to say so.

The official record confirms this.

No I think you'll find that I am correct, you just stopped looking / reading to soon...but your almost there.

You provide the right link anyway.

Max is the largest shareholder and is the only person listed who "Has significant influence or control" of the Start holding company, which controls both StartJoin and StartCoin

Not really, I expect them to continue as they have not reported otherwise.

You seem not to be aware that they paid interest / dividends for holding balances, I guess as you never had an account there.

Don't worry, they'll wear you down like they wore the rest of us down.

2 / 3 weeks for integration ? It will be the first promise they have delivered on in a very long time IF they achieve it.

On V1 weekly payments/dividends were paid in startcoin for holding start balances on the site.
This was in addition to dividends being paid for making pledges to projects.

I've not seen any news that this will not be the case on V2, unless you know different ?

Jason what was it you said to make Karl react that way, was it something you said on here ?

I went through the Telegram chat johnp referred to above, I though this comment was also worth reposting here;

Karl Gray, [31.10.16 22:33]
If things take off the way I hope with v2 and NGOs all timelines can certainly be truncated!



seems to be a little more than just a site upgrade, a tie in to his work here maybe ?

https://aid.technology/team/

"Yap" a derogatory term introduced by the site owners late in V1 to show their anger at criticisms being directed towards them.

They hold a grudge, how childish of them.

maybe not...........

found 1  (found)
tr.v. found·ed, found·ing, founds
1. To establish or set up, especially with provision for continuing existence: The college was founded in 1872. See Synonyms at establish.
2. To establish the foundation or basis of; base: found a theory on firm evidence.

Maybe not the best choice though

During the second half of yesterdays Keiser Report in the interview with Bitmari's Sinclair Skinner, Max states that StartJoin V2 is for release this month.  Now Max has said a lot of things I know but I point this out to encourage people to hold what they have or grab a few more while they are on their arse still.


Keiser Report: Hillary Speeches (E979)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv7SDPtQ8Os

Published on 13 Oct 2016

Max and Stacy discuss the Wikileaks #PodestaEmails documents which shed some light on why a self-described not very charismatic speaker is paid so much for her speeches… to bankers and brokers. Max talks to entrepreneur Sinclair Skinner (@SkinnerLiber8ed) of BitMari about the startup and crypto landscape in Africa and about the Clinton Foundation’s role in Haiti.