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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
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evovi
on 01/02/2014, 00:55:49 UTC
@Wipeout2097 : Wow, that's a real usefull link ; I can just applause; I'll try to get more from my GPUs too.

@evovi : Sorry my help was not as usefull as Wipeout2097 ; And now : Happy Mining

_TheQueen74

@TheQueen74 No dont be like that! you were helpful! and thanks for your suggestions, We never know what might fix a problem until you have tried them all Smiley

@Wipeout2097 : Wow, that's a real usefull link ; I can just applause; I'll try to get more from my GPUs too.
Please donate upfront to TheStilt for the service. Don't burden him/his thread with what is unnecessary either. I now remember him from old days (some online articles and forums), he is a fantastic human being and hardware expert. IMHO we're very lucky he joined the coin mining community.

@ Wipeout2097 Thanks again and i did donate 2000 doge to TheStilt as soon as he helped me out yesterday. Your right he is a awesome person!!
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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 31/01/2014, 05:49:50 UTC
This is going on for too long, and you risk killing your card with unnapropriate BIOSes, not to speak about the peace of mind you're losing. People posting random stuff for the sake of a bounty doesn't help either. I'm going to say this for the last time: go and post on this thread: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=12369.0 Donate him your 1000 Doge and post your ORIGINAL bios.

Wait and grab your modded bios, edit the voltage to, say, 1081 mV with: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/vbe7-vbios-editor-for-radeon-hd-7000-series-cards.189089/. Or better yet, look into drakoin's undervolting/power saving thread. Donate him some doge too.

Then go to the link mentioned above, pick sgminer and those .bin files on the top comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/1va8g2/ann_sgminer_400_release/

Copy those bins to the sgminer folder and either use on your config:

"thread-concurrency" : "24000",
"gpu-threads" : "1",
"intensity": "20"


or

"thread-concurrency" : "8192",
"gpu-threads" : "2",
"intensity": "13"




you sir have saved me!!! thanks to The Stilt I now have a modded bios and Im getting 749kh/s!!! I doubt I would have found that post without your help! if you want some dogecoin sent your way send me your address Smiley
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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 30/01/2014, 18:47:45 UTC
Thanks..... i tried flashing the bios you mentioned, flashed successfully in DOS. But the card doesn't like the bios and failed to boot. So i flashed the stock bios back. Can you suggest another bios to try?

OK I found something which should do the trick in the bunch of my bookmarks :
https://www.weminecryptos.com/forum/topic/1080-low-hash-7970-please-help/?p=7219

Also when you search for problems on a particular card you should use its reference like 21197-00-40G in ggl.

700KH is on the way


Hmm very interesting...... I flashed the 280x bios and the card works fine but...... im having some problems with the drivers  Cry . I installed the exact amd drivers he mentioned and AMD catalyst just says failed to load drivers. If i switch back to stock bios AMD catalyst starts and works as normal. I have a 2nd PC I might chuck the card in that and see what happens


EDIT: tried the card in my 2nd pc, exact same problem. without any drivers it boots to windows fine, but after installing AMD drivers it blue screen's on boot.


x2 EDIT: found this fourm http://www.overclock.net/t/1433293/flash-7970-to-r9-280x-bios/80     seems im not alone with this problem and it seems that a reference 7970 cant be flash with a 280x bios, If you have a non reference 7970 then you can flash a 280x bios....... and yes i have a reference 7970  Cry
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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 29/01/2014, 22:02:12 UTC

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my bios is 015.012.000.004.000346  if you can recommend a particular bios i should try let me know. and i will try flashing it using a bootable usb stick, atiwinflash has worked in the past for me. but maybe i got lucky? cant brick my cards dual bios  Cool

I would try Sapphire.HD7970.3072.120926.rom with the settings and howto I posted before. Let me know what you get, it's something I'm interested in. Also remember you have a switch on the card whitch let you chose between 2 positions for flashing (switching it back permits to 'unbrick' the card because you switch to the standard stock bios).

Considering what has been said about undervolting the 7970s, I would say from my experience that you cannot have high kHs and low consuptions ont those cards (7950 can). I tried to undervolt Sapphire VaporX 7970 (I modified Sapphire.HD7970.3072.120926.rom to 1,081V ) but you instantly get something instable in  hashrates > 600kHs.

Thanks..... i tried flashing the bios you mentioned, flashed successfully in DOS. But the card doesn't like the bios and failed to boot. So i flashed the stock bios back. Can you suggest another bios to try?
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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 29/01/2014, 00:41:41 UTC
any reason why -i 13 and not -i 20?

I get 650khs on my 7950, but if I do -i 13 my khs is significantly lower

as stated in first post "as soon as I change any of the following my kh/s drops alot.........higher intensity"


any reason why -i 13 and not -i 20?

I get 650khs on my 7950, but if I do -i 13 my khs is significantly lower

i13 is too low for 7950s. On my 5x 7950 MSI TF3 rig I use i19 as i20 gives too much rejected shares. But on this thread we are talking about 7970 and settings are totally different

and yes you are right. I have another mining pc with a 7950, and I run it at I 19. and as you mentioned we are talking about a 7970, and it doesnt like anything above I 13
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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 28/01/2014, 23:19:22 UTC
why cant I use atiwinflash to flash bios???

I didn't used atiwinflash but i would say it "might" work. The important thing to notice is that you can't write a bios correctly on machine where drivers are installed. I know it because as you I failled to flash the bios this way. The result is a bricked GPU and there is no other way but flashing the original bios back, if possible.

So the good reciepe for flashing is : get a compatible bios from techpowerup, flash it using a win98 usb stick in command line. The atiflash.exe I used was v3.99 as 4.17 was not working.

Can you give me the reference of your bios like 015.022.000.001.000000


my bios is 015.012.000.004.000346  if you can recommend a particular bios i should try let me know. and i will try flashing it using a bootable usb stick, atiwinflash has worked in the past for me. but maybe i got lucky? cant brick my cards dual bios  Cool
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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 28/01/2014, 21:53:18 UTC
Ive tried flashing 2 different bios's on my 7970, both failed to even boot after. so ive just flashed the stock bios back for now. TheQueen74 why cant I use atiwinflash to flash bios???
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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 28/01/2014, 19:19:07 UTC
I think your card may be too hot, do not trust your sensor completly, set your fan speed to 100% and see if the hashrate increase

as i said in the first post the card isnt getting hot.

People had bad luck using those cards but they are as good as (better than?) others.

What kind of 7970 do you have ? I'm running a rig with 5 Sapphire 7970 VaporX ( 11197-12-40G ) and at first it was a slooooow 550 kHs / card... Bad.
Now I can get 700-710 and its stable as a rock.

The key was :
1 - flash the card bios ( for me Sapphire.HD7970.3072.120926.rom was the right one )
2 - Update system drivers to amd-catalyst-13.12 and amdapp_2-9 (I'm runnig Linux, don't know if it's the case for you).
3 - Those settings are important :
"intensity" : "13",
"thread-concurrency" : "8192",
"gpu-engine" : "1040",
"gpu-memclock" : "1500",
"gpu-powertune" : "0",
"gpu-threads" : "2",

Ask me if you need more informations about flashing the bios, its not an easy part if you have not done that before




thanks for your help!! My card is a sapphire 7970 (stock cooler) exact model is above in another post, Yes i have flashed bios, only a week ago i flashed another card of mine (a 7950) made a noticeable improvement. Ill give it a shot and report back
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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 28/01/2014, 06:39:57 UTC
Having the "shaders" value at 0 means that it will default to whatever the native value would be for the GPU so changing that won't do anything.

OP; What is the exact model number on the sticker on the back of your GPU? It should look something like FX-797A-**** If it has a V1.0, 2.0 or 5.0 list that too.

I would say you might need to flash a new BIOS to your card but getting ~600 is higher than most people(including myself) get without a BIOS flash. This tells me that you have a setting issue. If you tell me the model number I can help tweak it.

PN: 299-1E208-000SA  and SKU#21197-00

in GPU-Z is says REV: N/A so i guess its 1.0???  Many thanks in advance for help!!
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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 28/01/2014, 01:14:07 UTC
are your "g" command set on 1 or 2? if it is 2 set it on 1
you will set the bat file with:
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
setx GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS 1
sgminer.exe -o stratum+tcp://xxxxxxxxx -u xxxxx -p xxxxx -I 13 -g 1 -w 256 --thread-concurrency 22528 --auto-fan --gpu-memclock 1500 --gpu-engine 1110 --gpu-powertune 20 --lookup-gap 2

before to start this setup, look on your sgminer or cgminer folder and delete the .bin files (like this: scrypt130511Thaitilg2tc20480w256l4.bin)

try several tc value, choice the highest your card start

dont forget that command "lookup-gap" is a comand who work with memory, so for high results, set it to 1.
if you undervolt your card and try to find best result saving more power possible, set lookup-gap 2

this setup is alredy overclocked, dont overclock over again.
how is voltage of card? stock voltage? or it is undervolted? use the software "gpu-z" for have it.



the -g command sets how many threads are used, and the results from 1 and 2 threads are above, I have tried many different TC settings,the best for my setup are 8192 and 20400. lookup gap 2 is the highest performance and thats what ive set it to. stock voltage
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Re: 7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 28/01/2014, 00:09:18 UTC
use sgminer 4.0.0
i13
lookup gap 2
tc 8192
powertune 20
engine clock at stock
mem clock at stock

1 find better tc your card start. (multiple of 2048)
2 find high mem your card work (1500 often is a good deal, but card can work over 1800)
3 find high engine your card work (start about 60% of mem value and add 5 per time, good deal are engine = 0.70*memclock)
4 set intensity.

sgminer, works better than cgminer, it is based on cgminer but fixed for only script minig.
only this, can improve your hashrate, after start you only have to find your best setting for best performance in hashrate or in hs/W (if power is not cheap).

if you can, post your batfile and results.

Smiley

tried sgminer 4.0, gives the same exact performance as cgminer with my setup. With a TC of 8192 im able to push the mem clock to 1500 stable. and engine clock to 1125, I havent found any 'sweet spots' when overclocking (5mhz increments). increasing the intensity over 13 results in lower khs and HW errors. Increasing the TC above 8192 lowers my khs until i hit a TC of 20400

with a TC of 8192, 1500mem and 1125 gpu im getting 595khs, (all other settings are same as in first post)

How are you determining your thread concurrency? From my experience, higher concurrency is not better for these cards. Try removing the concurrency line from your .conf file, deleting your bat file and seeing what it defaults to. That will give you a good starting point for where you should be.

Your clock speeds need some tweaking. Your core clock is a bit high and your mem clock is a bit low. Try something like 1040 core clock and 1500 mem clock and see where that gets you. These cards can be massively overclocked with few hardware errors but they do get hot so make sure your ventilation is good.

Try it with:

core clock - 1040
mem clock - 1500
intensity - 13
gpu threads - 2
thread concurrency - 8192
everything else the same as you have currently and report back.

I tried your settings, im getting around 550khs with an intensity of 14, I 13 is around the 450 khs. (first time i have ever seen an increase in khs with an intensity above 13) I 15 gives HW errors
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Re: [ANN] [DOGE] [POOL] [GIVEAWAYS] Dogecoin Pool 0% fee - doge.pool.mn
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on 27/01/2014, 20:40:29 UTC
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7970 MAXIMUM KH/S ONLY 600???? *****1000 DOGECOIN REWARD****
by
evovi
on 27/01/2014, 20:28:24 UTC
Hey guys,
I have a sapphire 7970 and I just cant get this thing above 600kh/s  Roll Eyes  Ive tried everything i can think of. First person that suggests something that gets my 7970 over 650kh/s ill give you 1000 dogecoins!!  Cool

I know this card has more to give, whenever ive tuned other cards to their max you start to notice abit of system lag, but Ive never experienced any lag with my 7970.

as soon as I change any of the following my kh/s drops alot.
higher thread concurrency,
lower thread concurrency,
more than 1 thread,
higher intensity,
lower intensity,
increase memory clock,
increase gpu clock,

temps are always good and VRM's arent getting hot either

im using CGminer 3.7.2 on windows 7 x64 sp1

currant settings:
"intensity" : "13",
"vectors" : "1",
"worksize" : "256",
"kernel" : "scrypt",
"lookup-gap" : "2",
"thread-concurrency" : "20400",
"shaders" : "0",
"gpu-engine" : "1150",
"gpu-fan" : "65-65",
"gpu-memclock" : "1375",
"gpu-memdiff" : "0",
"gpu-powertune" : "20",
"gpu-vddc" : "0.000",
"temp-cutoff" : "92",
"temp-overheat" : "86",
"temp-target" : "80",
"api-mcast-port" : "4028",
"api-port" : "4028",
"expiry" : "120",
"gpu-dyninterval" : "7",
"gpu-platform" : "0",
"gpu-threads" : "1",
"hotplug" : "5",
"log" : "5",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"queue" : "1",
"scan-time" : "30",
"scrypt" : true,
"temp-hysteresis" : "3",
"shares" : "0",
"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin"





Any help tuning this would be much appreciated!!!   Smiley

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Re: NEED HELP fine tuning cgminer for 7950 and 7970
by
evovi
on 24/01/2014, 08:17:56 UTC
So ive tried everything in the book, from a lower mem clock to engine clock, to around the 1.57~1.6 ratio, multiple threads, single thread, higher & lower intensity, I even tried a modded bios, you name it ive tried it.

interestingly increasing the memory speed doesnt increase kh/s at all. stock is 1250mhz and ive taken it to 1500mhz....... 0kh/s difference

My best and final settings for the 7950:
core 1140mhz @1.125v
mem 1250mhz
intensity 20
single thread
TC of 44500

Im getting around the 590~600khs in cgminer, 2 independent mining pools say im getting between 650~750khs. Im not certain what one to believe.

Now Ill have to see if I can squeeze anymore from my 7970.............................. Roll Eyes
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Re: NEED HELP fine tuning cgminer for 7950 and 7970
by
evovi
on 23/01/2014, 00:45:05 UTC
after trying "gsupp's" settings im getting a stable 580khs, only run for a few mins, but looks like im on the right track, I think the 7970 is going to be even more difficult to tune tho

EDIT: only settings I change from gsupp's setup was 1250mhz mem and 1100mhz gpu. my 7950 really doesnt like going over 1250mhz ram for mining

getting 590khs with these settings

"intensity" : "20",
"vectors" : "1",
"worksize" : "256",
"kernel" : "scrypt",
"lookup-gap" : "0",
"thread-concurrency" : "40960",
"shaders" : "0",
"gpu-engine" : "1100",
"gpu-fan" : "65-65",
"gpu-memclock" : "1250",
"gpu-memdiff" : "0",
"gpu-powertune" : "20",
"gpu-vddc" : "1.175",
"temp-cutoff" : "92",
"temp-overheat" : "86",
"temp-target" : "80",
"api-mcast-port" : "4028",
"api-port" : "4028",
"expiry" : "120",
"gpu-dyninterval" : "7",
"gpu-platform" : "0",
"gpu-threads" : "1",
"hotplug" : "5",
"log" : "5",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"queue" : "1",
"scan-time" : "30",
"scrypt" : true,
"temp-hysteresis" : "3",
"shares" : "0",
"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin"
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Re: NEED HELP fine tuning cgminer for 7950 and 7970
by
evovi
on 23/01/2014, 00:35:45 UTC

both cards are sapphire, increasing the memory + or - by even 5mhz results in lower kh/s with the 7950, similar problem with the 7970, intensity 13 is the sweet spot with the settings im running at the moment.

Which Sapphire model is your 7950? I have a Vapor-X that seems to behave similarly to what you describe. If I increase the engine or memory clock speeds the hash rate goes down. Here's what gets me ~610Kh/s:

"auto-fan" : true,
"auto-gpu" : true,
"temp-cutoff" : "84",
"temp-overheat" : "81",
"temp-target" : "66",
"gpu-fan" : "0-100",
"intensity" : "20",
"vectors" : "1",
"worksize" : "256",
"lookup-gap" : "2",
"thread-concurrency" : "40960",
"shaders" : "0",
"gpu-dyninterval" : "7",
"gpu-platform" : "0",
"gpu-threads" : "1",
"gpu-engine" : "1050",
"gpu-memclock" : "1375",
"gpu-powertune" : "20",

I set the temp target so low to keep the fans spinning fast enough to cool the VRMs, which have a separate heatsink on the Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X. Since the VRM heatsink isn't connected to the core heatsink, even if the core is cool enough, the VRMs may be over temperature. If that happens, I've noticed a sharp decrease in hash rate.



i have the vapor X to, temps stay below 80c.  my 7950 is housed in a CoolerMaster HAF case with 3x 250mm fans and 2x140mm fans. so I wouldn't expect my card is getting overly hot in there. the 7970 is completely in the open (free air) and stays pretty cool. Ill try your settings and report the results. thanks for help!
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Re: NEED HELP fine tuning cgminer for 7950 and 7970
by
evovi
on 22/01/2014, 23:58:55 UTC
Try the 7950 with a thread concurrency of 14336.

That let me go all the way up to I = 20.

I'm also using CPU = 900 MEM = 1250 to go with a lower voltage level.

@gsupp what is your voltage on that card?

tried a TC of 14336 at I 20, starts giving HW errors. Ive been playing around with the setup for the last 4 hrs, the best ive got so far is 560 on I 18 and a TC of 20400. Interestingly using a TC of either 20399 or 20401 lowers my hash rate by 40khs.

stock voltage on both cards
7950 1.075
7970 1.175

Got the 7970 to 591khs with the same TC as the 7950 (TC 20400), I find that unusual.  the 7970 does not like running more than 1 thread, and only runs on intensity 13, more or less intensity regardless of other setting always results in a poor hash rate so far.

This is going to make me crazy!!! XD
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Re: NEED HELP fine tuning cgminer for 7950 and 7970
by
evovi
on 22/01/2014, 20:52:41 UTC
Is your 7950 Powercolor ?
Mine is and same with the intensity - 12 is max, if I go more the cards get very hot.

I'm using this

"gpu-memclock" : "1500",
"gpu-engine" : "1010",
"gpu-powertune" : "20",

both cards are sapphire, increasing the memory + or - by even 5mhz results in lower kh/s with the 7950, similar problem with the 7970, intensity 13 is the sweet spot with the settings im running at the moment.
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NEED HELP fine tuning cgminer for 7950 and 7970
by
evovi
on 22/01/2014, 18:59:10 UTC
Hi and thanks for taking the time to view my post  Cheesy

I'm having some difficulty getting both my gfx cards fine tuned with cgminer, And after 2 days searching the internet for an answer Im at my wits end....... I have a dedicated 24/7 mining rig with a 7970, and my pc has a 7950. In cgminer im getting 585khs with the 7970 and 540khs with the 7950. I have tried using thread concurrency in my bat files 22400, 24000.etc (cgminer bin file uses 22400 TC) , but it always results in a lower hash rate than using the shaders command.

7950
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
cgminer --scrypt  -o*********************** -I 13 -w 256 --shaders 1792 -g 2 --gpu-engine 1100 --gpu-fan 65 --gpu-memclock 1250 --gpu-powertune 20 --temp-cutoff 92 --temp-overheat 86 --temp-target 80

7970
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
cgminer --scrypt  -o *********************** -I 13 -w 256 --shaders 2048 --gpu-engine 1125 --gpu-fan 65 --gpu-memclock 1375 --gpu-powertune 20 --temp-cutoff 92 --temp-overheat 86 --temp-target 80

using cgminer 3.7.2 version


If i increase the intensity it just results in HW errors. Ive tried lowing the mem clock 150mhz below the engine clock, gives a slightly lower hash rate.

Many thanks in advance for help!!


EDIT: 7950 found a TC that doesnt lower my hash rate (around 10~20+kh/s) of 8960