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I know I'm new here, and this place is big on street cred, but I figured I'd throw this out there anyway.
Several friends and I have over a dozen ASIC miners between us, and we've collectively run out of power in our houses. Additionally, we don't want the heat in our houses come summer. So, we decided to open a small datacenter, specifically to host ASIC miners.
The datacenter is located in Wisconsin, and we currently have WAY more space than we need.
If you are looking for a place to host ASIC miners, please contact me.
At this time, hosting is limited to Bitmain units, and prices vary from model to model due to power consumption. Currently, an S9 is $115/mo with a $25 setup fee (waived with 6 months pre-paid). We provide power cables, network cables, rack space, heat exhaust, and high speed internet access. Secure VPN access to your miners is provided, you are in complete control of the units, the pools, everything. Lease term is 1 year. There is an option for you to power off units on a monthly basis should the need arise.
This is 100% legit, there is already a corporation stood up behind this, on all the lease paperwork, the whole 9. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask or to shoot me a PM if you'd like to discuss in private.
Thanks!
Several friends and I have over a dozen ASIC miners between us, and we've collectively run out of power in our houses. Additionally, we don't want the heat in our houses come summer. So, we decided to open a small datacenter, specifically to host ASIC miners.
The datacenter is located in Wisconsin, and we currently have WAY more space than we need.
If you are looking for a place to host ASIC miners, please contact me.
At this time, hosting is limited to Bitmain units, and prices vary from model to model due to power consumption. Currently, an S9 is $115/mo with a $25 setup fee (waived with 6 months pre-paid). We provide power cables, network cables, rack space, heat exhaust, and high speed internet access. Secure VPN access to your miners is provided, you are in complete control of the units, the pools, everything. Lease term is 1 year. There is an option for you to power off units on a monthly basis should the need arise.
This is 100% legit, there is already a corporation stood up behind this, on all the lease paperwork, the whole 9. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask or to shoot me a PM if you'd like to discuss in private.
Thanks!
The benefit is you can have more power delivered.
Wire is rated in amps (if you look in your breaker panel, you should have like 15A breakers, maybe some 20A, and some 30A).
This isn't to protect the devices, this is to protect the wire from melting/starting on fire.
Has nothing to do with voltage - amerage is what kills stuff (and people).
So, you can have 200A of 110 delivered from the electric company (common for most US houses built in the last few decades), or you could call them and have 200A of 220v delivered.
You're going to pay the same rate, but you'll have twice as much available capacity on the 220v circuit.
And yes, I have professionals do it too. I just read a lot on the internet to learn about stuff so that A) I can talk to them intelligently, and B) I know enough that they aren't fucking it up or ripping me off.
Wire is rated in amps (if you look in your breaker panel, you should have like 15A breakers, maybe some 20A, and some 30A).
This isn't to protect the devices, this is to protect the wire from melting/starting on fire.
Has nothing to do with voltage - amerage is what kills stuff (and people).
So, you can have 200A of 110 delivered from the electric company (common for most US houses built in the last few decades), or you could call them and have 200A of 220v delivered.
You're going to pay the same rate, but you'll have twice as much available capacity on the 220v circuit.
And yes, I have professionals do it too. I just read a lot on the internet to learn about stuff so that A) I can talk to them intelligently, and B) I know enough that they aren't fucking it up or ripping me off.
False.
Your electrical cost will not go down.
The equipment still uses the same amount of power (rated in watts). You are billed by kwh (# of watts / 1000 * cost per kwh = cost per hour to run equipment).
If you deliver 1100 watts on 110v power, that's 10A.
If you deliver 1100 watts on 220v power, that's 5A.
Still the same 1100 watts.
Your electrical cost will not go down.
The equipment still uses the same amount of power (rated in watts). You are billed by kwh (# of watts / 1000 * cost per kwh = cost per hour to run equipment).
If you deliver 1100 watts on 110v power, that's 10A.
If you deliver 1100 watts on 220v power, that's 5A.
Still the same 1100 watts.
USAA covers my computer equipment so I assume that would cover mining equip as well.
I don't doubt that you think they do.
A buddy tried to file a claim with USAA and was told that computer equipment is a separate rider.
Good luck.
For me, it depends on the market you are trying to target.
If you really want datacenter-type gear, I'm a big fan of blade systems. Even from the old days of the IBM HS20/21 blades all the way up to the modern Cisco B-series stuff, it's super convenient.
House all the management and intelligence in the chassis, and all the power/connectivity.
Blades would just be additional hash modules.
Probably not feasible, and I'm sure expensive, so it won't happen.
As for individual rackmount systems, 2U or 3U is fine. No idea where these 44U racks are, every datacenter I've been in has been 42U racks. Since systems/network are what I do for a living (as a consultant), I've been in hundreds of datacenters in just the past few years. Can't recall seeing a single 44U rack, though I've seen plenty of weird 21U floor standing and 11U & 7U wall mount nonsense. That said, with the exception of SANs (which are all sorts of different sizes) and large core switches, damn near all gear these days is 1U or 2U.
Redundant hot-swap power, and if you're going to have a CRAPLOAD of hash per box, redundant network as well. It would make me sick to think that I've got 100TH in 3U and a bad NIC took it out.
If you really want datacenter-type gear, I'm a big fan of blade systems. Even from the old days of the IBM HS20/21 blades all the way up to the modern Cisco B-series stuff, it's super convenient.
House all the management and intelligence in the chassis, and all the power/connectivity.
Blades would just be additional hash modules.
Probably not feasible, and I'm sure expensive, so it won't happen.
As for individual rackmount systems, 2U or 3U is fine. No idea where these 44U racks are, every datacenter I've been in has been 42U racks. Since systems/network are what I do for a living (as a consultant), I've been in hundreds of datacenters in just the past few years. Can't recall seeing a single 44U rack, though I've seen plenty of weird 21U floor standing and 11U & 7U wall mount nonsense. That said, with the exception of SANs (which are all sorts of different sizes) and large core switches, damn near all gear these days is 1U or 2U.
Redundant hot-swap power, and if you're going to have a CRAPLOAD of hash per box, redundant network as well. It would make me sick to think that I've got 100TH in 3U and a bad NIC took it out.
Re: Bitcoin ASIC - an efficiency comparision (S9 vs. M3 vs. 741 vs. E10 vs. 16T)
S9 price is wrong, its $2330 + PSU which makes it $2435
Yes your are right and no your are not right.
I would need a list of all batches of S9 with price and power consumption.
S9-Batch1
S9-Batch2
And best would be to put every batch with different Specs and/or price inside this table as a new product.
But for myself: I decided to take an average
Some like S9 and Whatsminer are giving a range of Hashrate (13,5 to 14,5 / 11,5 to 12,5) and they say: +/- 10%
And therefor the batches had different prices ranging from 1400 to 2000 USD.
I think and feel that sometimes even the same batch (production) got different prices and they raised the price during sellings.
For S9 I took one batch I did bought myself at this price some weeks ago (ok ok, 3 month ago).
For Avalon and S9 I took the average I know myself.
For T16 I took the data of the video.
For Ebang and the others I just took the specs from the site.
A higher price would lead to more price / each Th/s for Bitmain.
Always after the red BUY button of Bitmain is out again - I put in the new data to compare
Your S9 info is garbage.
Except it doesn't work as you describe. The first time, it said there were 48 in stock. Added one to my cart, and a pop up said they were out of stock.
So I Went back and looked at the item again. It STILL said 48 in stock.
Same thing the second time, but fewer were in stock. Less than 30. Got it into my cart, then proceeded to checkout, filled out the form, clicked submit, and THEN it said out of stock. Look at the item, sure as shit, still a bunch listed in stock.
I don't care what you say, or how you try to explain it away, their website is a piece of shit.
So I Went back and looked at the item again. It STILL said 48 in stock.
Same thing the second time, but fewer were in stock. Less than 30. Got it into my cart, then proceeded to checkout, filled out the form, clicked submit, and THEN it said out of stock. Look at the item, sure as shit, still a bunch listed in stock.
I don't care what you say, or how you try to explain it away, their website is a piece of shit.
Your issue is that WooCommerce doesn't subtract stock counts on the frontend from pending orders. If they have a bunch of orders that are in pending status, which is the initial status they go into, it will still show stock as being available until those orders change to processing. That stock isn't necessarily available though (it's pending), which is why it complains after trying to add to cart. Again, WooCommerce order status doesn't change from pending to processing until payment is confirmed and then stock is reduced. They had information posted previously that stated they were clearing unpaid pending orders every 80 minutes.
If you're this pissed cause you're not quick enough, imagine how pissed you'd be if there was no stock check in place for pending orders, they let your order go through, and then they send you an email days later saying it was cancelled because someone paid before you and there's no stock left. Not only do you not get your order, but you would most likely lose whatever BTC you paid in tx fees. It works the way it does for a reason.
If you understand WooCommerce order statuses, and it's saying there's stock available, letting you add to cart, but not letting you checkout, then you'd know that stock is pending and that you should leave it in your cart and keep trying to checkout as it may become available once pending orders are cleared. When it's completely out of stock, you can't even add to your cart. Reducing stock for pending orders would most likely result in you never getting a chance to add to cart and always showing out of stock immediately.
If you don't like it, simple solution is to use an extension or write a script that posts the form data automatically and non-stop until successful. Chances are multiple people are already doing that and that's why it's difficult to order.
Once AGAIN, you are failing to comprehend my complaint.
NO OTHER WEBSITE FROM ANY OTHER COMPANY I HAVE EVER DEALT WITH WORKS IN THIS SHITTY FASHION.
I could give a shit less if it is "working as designed".
IT'S A SHITTY DESIGN.
Bitmain does do this. Amazon doesn't do this. NO OTHER FUCKING COMPANY DOES THIS.
If they show stock, you add it to your cart, and it's yours.
If there's no stock, then you're ass-out.
That is the way things SHOULD work. I shouldn't have to write a fucking script, clear my cache, or do any other sort of bullshit.
The fact that all of you are willing to go to such lengths simply emboldens the next manufacturer to have a shitty website, and shows how desperate you all are. I hope these miners are pieces of shit, you deserve it.
Re: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order
New batch coming in a couple of hours, their tweet:
Releasing a new batch of the Antminer S9 #BitcoinCash #Bitcoin miner at 5PM today (8 Jan, GMT+8) here:
/tYUj8M]https://[Suspicious link removed]/tYUj8M Order then while the batch lasts!
I wonder what the price will be, they haven't updated the site from last batch price of $2320
Releasing a new batch of the Antminer S9 #BitcoinCash #Bitcoin miner at 5PM today (8 Jan, GMT+8) here:
/tYUj8M]https://[Suspicious link removed]/tYUj8M Order then while the batch lasts!
I wonder what the price will be, they haven't updated the site from last batch price of $2320
I know this is the S9 thread, but what about the L3+ did they say anything about that? I'm praying they release another March batch soon.
Side note though, I just ran the numbers again, and apparently the 14 TH/s S9 makes ~$750 per month after electricity costs? That makes it more profitable than the L3+, giving it a better ROI time as well even though it costs more and uses more electricity. That's crazy because I was under the assumption that the L3+ was more profitable.
I either buy from this S9 batch, or wait and pray they release another L3+ batch soon, when really it could be months, and if I miss this S9 batch I'm shit out of luck.
I have one of each. Unfortunately one of my S9 boards died, and that is not uncommon. With 2 out of 3 boards the S9 makes the same money than the L3+ It's impossible to know what is going to happen in the future, but I'm more concerned about the Scrypt network getting saturated than about the SHA256 network. I bought a second S9 the other day, I wouldn't buy another L3+ right now.
True. I just wonder what they're going to price this batch at, and if it will be March or April. I really hope the price isn't too much more than the last one.
Correct me if I am wrong, but few weeks ago, the latest batch price for S9 miner was around 2800 USD (I remember, because it was exactly double price of what I paid for one in October - 1400 USD). The latest price today was 2320 USD, so I guess it is correcting as following the price of BTC/BCH.
The last two times the S9 was on sale the price was $2320. The previous price was $2725. Prior to that I believe it was $1410 or so.
Anything over $2000 w/PSU, delivered, is a bridge too far, IMO.
Yes, they make money, but how much longer will they continue producing $30/day? Newer, faster machines are being released by competitors, difficulty will continue to rise, and Bitmain somehow thinks that justifies doubling the price? By the time the March batches deliver you could very easily be looking at a 200 day ROI on a $2600 machine (by the time you include shipping & PSU - not to mention any import taxes you may have to pay).
Fine, don't buy, it will be more for someone else
No doubt! We get it, the site is not perfect. Pangolinminer gets it too. They have directions on
the site that tell you to clear your cache if you are experiencing problems. Also, make sure
whatever device you are using isn't a total turd as well. That way when you "refresh" your
screen, the quantity hasn't dropped dozens of numbers. They literally have a countdown on
their site. It's literally gonna be a race competition with the thousands of other people worldwide
who want these 200 miners. Be prepared not to come in 1st place, or 199 for that matter.
*throws down website and stomps away.......................
It has become painfully clear to me that no one here, including you, understands my fundamental complaint with this shitty website.
I'm perfectly fine with not coming in first, or even 199th - so long as the fucking things TELLS ME SO.
There is no need to waste my time filling out shopping cart pages for product that doesn't exist, but nobody told the shitty website that yet.
I use WooCommerce on quite a few sites. It's developed well. Reducing stock when adding to cart would be an even worse scenario and would allow one person to wipe out or hold all the inventory. That's what the hold stock feature would allow. Thinking again, it's more likely they aren't using it and stock is reduced only after payment as that would allow you to add an item to the cart while it's still in stock, but then be out of stock if it's the last one and someone else pays before you. They are probably manually clearing unpaid orders after x minutes or have a custom function that does it. By default, stock is reduced when an order changes to "Processing" status.
This issue was rejected years ago:
https://github.com/woocommerce/woocommerce/issues/5966
The ordering process is really no different than sneakerheads and bots trying to order limited shoes that sell out instantly. You just have to be quicker.
This issue was rejected years ago:
https://github.com/woocommerce/woocommerce/issues/5966
The ordering process is really no different than sneakerheads and bots trying to order limited shoes that sell out instantly. You just have to be quicker.
Except it doesn't work as you describe. The first time, it said there were 48 in stock. Added one to my cart, and a pop up said they were out of stock.
So I Went back and looked at the item again. It STILL said 48 in stock.
Same thing the second time, but fewer were in stock. Less than 30. Got it into my cart, then proceeded to checkout, filled out the form, clicked submit, and THEN it said out of stock. Look at the item, sure as shit, still a bunch listed in stock.
I don't care what you say, or how you try to explain it away, their website is a piece of shit.
Ok, fuck you pangolinminer.
Now you let me add it to my cart, let me fill out the checkout page, and then tell me you don't have enough and to try again in 80 minutes?
Go suck a dick.
Hire a real web developer you bush league fools.
Now you let me add it to my cart, let me fill out the checkout page, and then tell me you don't have enough and to try again in 80 minutes?
Go suck a dick.
Hire a real web developer you bush league fools.
They are using WooCommerce. Based on how they have explained their ordering process previously, they most likely have it setup to hold stock for 80 minutes. This means if a bunch of people add items to their cart, it's going to hold stock and prevent others from ordering it. The actual inventory won't adjust until that hold time expires or the order is processed. If there's only 1 miner left in actual inventory, and someone pays before you do, you're simply out of luck because you didn't pay quick enough. They may also have WooCommerce configured to always show stock.
It's not a problem with their site. You just aren't quick enough. If you aren't on the site at the exact time they make them available and don't add to cart and checkout within a minute of release, chances are that you won't get one until held stock or another batch is released. I've been on the site at the exact times they've made them available and have been able to order just fine. First time I didn't even have to wait. Second time everything was gone in under a minute and I had to wait until held stock was released. Earlier batches sell out much faster. There's a lot of demand for miners, and everything everywhere, including used, has been selling out almost immediately. Check out eBay if you don't want to wait and don't mind paying 3-5x's more.
I understand what you are saying, and what you are saying makes sense - however, it does not change the fact that it is a shitty system. A REAL order system deducts from inventory when an item is placed in the cart. Said item is them returned to stock after x number of minutes if the purchase is not completed.
Their poorly designed piece of shit, while most likely working as intended, does not do this, and instead allows you to place items in your cart which are shown in stock, but aren't actually there.
Ergo, it's still a piece of shit.
I'm well aware of the demand for miners, this is not the first miner I've attempted to purchase. I've got a bunch of Bitmain stuff here already. Bitmain's website is far easier to deal with, slow though it may be. If the item gets into my cart, I can check out and pay for it without issue. None of this "it's in my cart, but now it's not available" or "Ok, I got it in my cart, now let me go to the next step of filling out there form before I get told it's not available".
Horseshit.
I have contacted official Bitfury via email, their price is 7.000 USD per unit, with delivery within 8 months.
You can contact sales@bitfury.com
Dont use the fake scam website... contact them directly
You can contact sales@bitfury.com
Dont use the fake scam website... contact them directly
You also forgot to mention they have a minimum $2M USD order size....
Ok, fuck you pangolinminer.
Now you let me add it to my cart, let me fill out the checkout page, and then tell me you don't have enough and to try again in 80 minutes?
Go suck a dick.
Hire a real web developer you bush league fools.
Now you let me add it to my cart, let me fill out the checkout page, and then tell me you don't have enough and to try again in 80 minutes?
Go suck a dick.
Hire a real web developer you bush league fools.
Got one for 7 day release! Thanks!
No idea how, this website is a piece of shit, and the company apparently doesn't know how to work a clock.
"3:00 NY time"
They went on sale at 1:20 NY time.
Site shows 55 in stock. Add one to my cart, it tells me not enough to fill my order.
Now it says next round in 50 minutes.
Fuck these morons. Guess I'll just wait for an S9 and overpay. At least their website fuckin works....
Yeah I was waiting too until 3, I guess I got lucky and loaded the page at the right time, couldn't believe my eyes that they were on sale and added to my cart lol. Checked out as fast as I could and then paid.
It's fuckin bullshit.
A) If the website says a time, then stick to the fuckin time. Don't be a retard.
B) If the website says in stock, then there goddamned well better be fuckin stock. Don't let me add it to my cart, then have something pop up and tell me it's not in stock, then I go look at the product list and it still says in stock and the quantity hasn't even diminished.
Fuckin junk. Website was made by a 3 year old with FrontPage.
Got one for 7 day release! Thanks!
No idea how, this website is a piece of shit, and the company apparently doesn't know how to work a clock.
"3:00 NY time"
They went on sale at 1:20 NY time.
Site shows 55 in stock. Add one to my cart, it tells me not enough to fill my order.
Now it says next round in 50 minutes.
Fuck these morons. Guess I'll just wait for an S9 and overpay. At least their website fuckin works....
It just means you were too slow, the total batch per release is 200 units
Bullshit. The website said there was stock. I went to my cart and it said there wasn't. I clicked on the product again and it still said there was stock.
It means their website is a piece of shit is what it means.
Got one for 7 day release! Thanks!
No idea how, this website is a piece of shit, and the company apparently doesn't know how to work a clock.
"3:00 NY time"
They went on sale at 1:20 NY time.
Site shows 55 in stock. Add one to my cart, it tells me not enough to fill my order.
Now it says next round in 50 minutes.
Fuck these morons. Guess I'll just wait for an S9 and overpay. At least their website fuckin works....
I've got crypto ready to go, and I'd like to order on the next batch. Has anyone actually received their order, aside from those that were sent for eval?
Bitmain's recent price gouging has really turned me off, and I'd like to support someone else.
Bitmain's recent price gouging has really turned me off, and I'd like to support someone else.
I've not run miners in one, but I have experience with the 1/2 cabinet floor standing model. I've installed a few for customers in remote branch-office type setups where a dedicated MDF is unavailable.
While they are rated for 12kw of heat dissipation, the gear they are designed for does not move nearly the volume of air that these miners do. Typical rackmount gear that is located in one of these enclosures is along the lines of a 5U UPS, a 4U SAN node, a couple of 1U switches, and 2-4 2U servers. Even then, they aren't the most efficient thing out there. Their focus is primarily on sound dampening, at the expense of cooling.
While they are rated for 12kw of heat dissipation, the gear they are designed for does not move nearly the volume of air that these miners do. Typical rackmount gear that is located in one of these enclosures is along the lines of a 5U UPS, a 4U SAN node, a couple of 1U switches, and 2-4 2U servers. Even then, they aren't the most efficient thing out there. Their focus is primarily on sound dampening, at the expense of cooling.