now already 52 cents. It must correlate to what goes on here as mentioned. decision and rate should not be related to bittrex

Fully agree. It seems I am not the only one as you said a few posts ago. breaking your word is breaking your asset. I know enough and am sure it's inadvertent, but i think that you are caught in the moment. The bitrex price (already 63 cents and will likely continue down) should have nothing to do with your new decision.

good points, but we need to weigh it comparing to the other hand. selling a lot of unlocked tokens at half the market price is not good for anyone. no?

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Ohad. I think that you are being caught off guard with the fomo based price increase (caused by your own 10x talk) and are about to lose something much more valuable.

YOUR WORD is the strongest and ONLY valuable and tangible asset in this project thus far.

It is the basis for the hopes for a white paper "sometime", for new code instead of the old one instead of the older one and it is the only reason aside from an academic discussion to believe in this project.

THUS- you shouldn't make a decision that changes a previous commitment made just a few days ago because there was some FOMO of new comers.

This breaks every rule in the integrity book. You said something, you published an excel with prices just a few days ago, you set a July 1st deadline-

JUST STICK WITH IT.

Locked or unlocked. based on the excel.

The price was also $1.4 a day ago. so what if it was $0.66 at 1pm today? it can be 20 cents again tomorrow. I think you are shooting your self in the foot right now by breaking your word.

Also saying that 10x is not relevant anymore and old talk is also a problem because this was the reason for the FOMO that caused the price to be 1.4 or 0.66 in the first place which is the price point you are now using. You cant have the cake and eat it too.

i am very disappointed if you indeed not change your 1pm decision and go back to what YOU said up to June 28th. NOT FAIR.  

suggestion 1: stop the sale today as promised, sell based on the pricing table as promised. Fill all orders even if 516BTC as now. IMHO The least problematic promise to break is not to pass the 60% now vs later. In any case you were to sell through 80% at some point (assuming some will be kept for marketing and devs). selling to them now is more beneficial to early supporters who are offering to back the project even before alpha/white paper/github. Later supporters can buy the remaining AGRS from you later at 10x or from exchanges.

suggestion 2: as above- but like CIVIC recently, just decide on a percentage of orders to be filled from this temp address (they did 66% from presale orders) and distribute evenly between all BTCs sent (even if passing the 60% threshold a little), based on the promised pricing. so if someone sent 50BTC worth $130k she could actually get 66% or $85800 (based on promised pricing through June) and the rest of her BTC back. whatever number of AGRS it comes to- so be it. good for the ecosystem no?  

Ohad--- On number 2: I dont get it. You guys published a table with prices through July 1 ranging from 0.18 to 0.235 if not mistaken based on the contribution level. why is the price now TBD? through July 1 you should stick to what you said and then change to 10x or whatever as you also said just a few days ago. the bitrex fomo should not affect this decision as it will likely die down as before. But you word is your asset here.

I have the same problem. wallet is empty no transaction record. any advise?

Can someone please explain the IOTA denominations i.e GI, TI etc. relative to the overall supply? thank you

https://medium.com/matchpool/matchpools-ongoing-commitment-to-transparency-and-technology-8519b1d959ed

great response. let's go. no more FUD

Unbelievable the FUD here. 37kETH converted to 1450BTC and the other 87.5 are still in the original ICO address. clearly no scam.   bad communication is all. it is concept pre-alpha but we now need to see dev plan and roadmap

sorry no time to go over 60 pages. I think that this policy should be changed.

Right now it seems as the 500ETh for the early day-1 contributor will be worth almost half the TRST compared to a person contributing today. This should be leveled and adjusted for EVERYBODY in the last day of the crowdfunding. the project actually raised over 2000BTC to date. This should apply also if ETH goes back to 0.014 by that day.

Hi

How is the total BTC for the crowdfunding being calculated? the dashboard shows 1400BTC out of the 6000goal.

However with the latest ETH/BTC move the 63000+ ETH are worth 1650BTC so in fact over 2000BTC were raised based on current value.

This also has an implication on individual investors: i for example contributed a certain BTC number + X amount of ETH when it was worth 0.0142. With ETH now being 0.0260, the actual BTC's that I invested are actually larger based on the above.

Are you going to calculate this, and adjust the final number of TRST based on the rate at the last day of the sale? or how?

In other words: since the donated ETH is in escrow and is going to be converted to BTC, it seems fair that the total amount is adjusted based on the exchange rate at the end of the crowdsale to reach a final BTC figure for the crowdsale, and adjust the ratio for all contributors. 

Thanks

very hard to estimate. at least for me. i must admit that part of the delay is due to new ideas that don't stop coming. a recent one was to convert your theory to a wiki, so you could browse the encyclopedia of your own worldview. or let others browse it. (or compare it with another one's, for the sake of partnership, or dating, or common interest.. but that's an old idea, the new idea is the wiki format). and obv most of the time i think of the math aspects of this all which are nontrivial. especially how to write a scalable solver
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Ohad- the flow of new ideas for innovative creators such as your self will never stop. However, there is a time that one has to stop, and move on to CONCRETE progress with what you already have, and advance it, finish an alpha, a  beta, and then continue to improve.

Moving from the ZENNET to TAU 1 and now to TAU 2 over several years WITHOUT anything concrete doesn't help confidence. The fact that HMC also didnt survive here, and that you guys had to part arguing, and that you are back at square 1 (new whitepaper) is nice if this was a University research lab, but not as nice for a start up effort.

Raising hundreds of BTC's creates a commitment to investors and to the community. If you continue with theoretically responding to "new flow of ideas" it can last for 25 more years because ideas will likely not stop.

Time to create a timeline that will commit you, show a concrete plan, real milestones, roadmap etc, to create more credibility for your ability to actually execute and not just theorize. I write this with respect and appreciation and hope that such will be included in the whitepaper and presentation.

And this is a reminder of communications from weeks ago. this is what i checked then, this user name might also be a RZRMND person, strengthening my theory that this new development is not new.

so how come he owned the deos web site and can just take over it. the DEOS presentation came before him being added to the project without his consent. The story doent add up.

The new "developments" seem strange as well. pardon for being skeptical. to me this seems low level cheaters OUT play.

1. Mr. malik was presented as a key technical person not communications. If as was told here the dispute just arose now, how come he was on the web site for 2 months while we know that this is a scam from much earlier. At the time, I looked at Malik's twitter account (some 2 months ago, as well as all others, many of them had no linkedin, twitter or facebook), there was no earlier association with RazM. Just two weeks after the ICO, some names suddenly popped and since disappeared. So how come HE is the one suddenly owning the domain? it was up before he was part of the team, at least on the web site.

2. there cant be a fork as this wasnt open sourced. what is being forked exactly? no code was out for scrutiny and there is nothing open source to fork.

3. And why exactly does the world need Deos? and what about all the claims such as 27000 users offices etc. none of it was true, so how come the only issue is contractual not essential

4. To me this could be and probably is another tale to create an out for razormind, with 3000 or 4000 or 6000 BTC, the distinguished management can now state that the reason this didnt work out was the fork/community/malik/this thread and that people lied to them etc. There is a trend here if you look back at the thread and claims here. So we can give out some shit coins, have a "fork" make some noise for 2 months like opening 724 offices on 7 continents and 100 banks and then say sorry it didnt work out.  A way to not face criminal liability and keep $3.6M

Too easy? not so quickly

I hope that this police complaint + more will come and this guy's known whereabouts will lead to exposing this and to a criminal investigation.

This sentence: "Using the Bitcoin blockchain as the native currency for DeOS has proven a great model, and we look forward to delivering decentralized application infrastructure that builds on the Bitcoin ecosystem." is ridiculous.

OH yea... 2 years and 8 months ago, On January 2014, I was only 3 months into crypto, but after decades in finance, I can smell a melting Plastik. Kudos to all good people here helping to expose this BS. For your sake I hope that you don't get to hurt too many people based on all the BS and plain cheating attempts presented in this thread.

Hi newbie with 1 post:

She is being presented as management with track history. There is nothing about such a person in google. no facebook no previous mentions.

Run a similar serch on others including the "employees" and you'll discover more such anomalies.

Ismail Malik's picture is not that person that's been a blockchain leader who is much older. his twitter with "13.6K" followers relates to deos or razormind for about 3 weeks. is that management of a 260 employees venture?

It all adds up to all the previous non transparent "mysteries" such as the non existing client lists, cheating on the client lists, razorcoin that cheated them, PR company that cheated them, 27000 users, 260 employees, offices all over, projects all over. no escrow, no central sale address because a BTC address will be hacked (wow). and more. no open source, known security audits, deos twitter with multi 000's followers (where are they?) razormind with multi 000's number of followers. working with such large clients yet fighting with a guy over a $1500 bill all over the net. see his reaction in the video to "how many coins they produced", year of company registration, its address. Look at razormind's twitter history (it's a personal account not a legacy company). and he list of mysteries goes on and on. very "reliable".  

BTW: I ran a search on some of the texts on the razormind site.

compare this:
http://www.razormind.co.uk/big-data/

to this:
https://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/bigdata/

and do the same to all other technical explanations on the site with some name change and you'll discover interesting things. ohhhh it's that PR company.  

Maybe a call to the local police or Interpol should suffice. They'll be able to check. maybe all of these 4 pages above are wrong.  

Cryptodevil: Unbelievable job. Thank you. I googled more management team members and for example:

The only return for Fida Muhasain
FIDA MUHASAIN
Heading Consulting and Architectural practices in the EMEA for Razormind, Feda specialized in Data Mining through a Masters by Research in Jordan University before moving onto a PHD in Computing Information Systems. As a TOGAF architect she brings clarity and excellence to Razormind freelance and commercial programmes. She speaks Arabic, English, and French and has a sense of humour somewhere.
Jul 26, 2016

is this: https://www.google.co.il/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#newwindow=1&q=FIDA+MUHASAIN

Or check the Ismail Malik that's related to blockchains projects. few retweets on DEOS but scroll down to the history

https://twitter.com/disruptiv

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