Damn - I wish I'd have put a message in the blockchain yesterday saying something to the effect of "I've baited oox, let's see if he falls for the low hanging fruit."

In case you didn't know, you *can* do that - quit mining scam coins and learn something.

Hook, line, and sinker. Unlike Alpha I didn't even need to bait you with the allure of money. Please PM about a great price on the Brooklyn Bridge. I also have a Nigerian colleague who's very interested in speaking to you about a lucrative deal helping a Prince recover his funds.

You see what I did there? Dug through your previous posts and made accusations based on no evidence - exactly what you did to me first. As expected you didn't address any of the questions I asked about how you came up with false information about me. Instead you came back to defend yourself against my bullshit accusation, which was easy to defend because it's sole purpose is to show that you will respond when you've been slandered. How can you expect me to quit defending myself when you do the same thing?

Here are the questions you haven't answered:





Here's an example of answering questions and admitting you were wrong. It's called integrity.



All the more reason why people like you shouldn't be involved with cryptos. You know if you'd paid with Bitcoin the credit card company couldn't bail you out. You need the safety net that banks provide.

No surprise that you are narcissistic enough to believe that you know what everyone else reading this thread cares about. Or that you're naive enough to think barking out some swear words will scare someone on the internet.

I doubt you're man enough to own up and admit that your accusations about me were wrong and unfounded (although I don't doubt you're above more name calling). This dies here for me. I've been stupid enough to waste this much time responding to you, I've learned my lesson.

Here's a couple things I left out of my previous posts. I was under the false assumption I was speaking to adults and that my posts provided enough information to get my point across.

Not that this matters (or for that matter any of this does), but Satashi Nakamoto, Con Kolivas (the CGminer dev) or whoever it is you respect don't know the optimal configuration for every card. Not to compare myself with them of course, I'm obviously not that smart or I'd have stopped responding already. Needing help with a conf file isn't mutually exclusive with knowing how the blockchain is implemented or understanding what causes HW errors. Nor does knowing those things mean you're a "pro", it just means that you're actually interested in how cryptocurrencies work - not just profiteering. *edit* You know how AMD continually releases new drivers? That's because even the people who design the hardware find new ways to get more performance out of it, and they're the "pros".

Offering someone 10 days of the extra proceeds for their help shows I don't have the sense of entitlement so many other's around here do. No one owes me anything, that's why I offered an incentive. For the same reason you'll notice I don't have my crypto addresses in my sig or profile (unlike oox), I also don't walk around with a styrofoam cup begging for change (not that I have any evidence you do). Not believing that the world owes me is probably part of the reason I've never been the victim of a scam any greater than being pick-pocketed (along with a lot of luck). I avoid situations where I might be scammed because I don't depend on the police or courts to help me afterwards because I know that in most cases they can't.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that "7 months ago" was a typo, the post was on Dec. 3rd 2013 - if it's not a typo, you need to brush up on your arithmetic. http://delightfulchildrensbooks.com/2011/10/18/math/

This *really* doesn't matter, but at the end of January I had nearly 5MH/s. I also had over 9.5 BTC before I sold most (I wasn't stupid enough to think > $1000 BTC prices and 30 day ROI was gonna last). If you were wondering how I could make that much with less than 5MH/s: I got into Dogecoin within 3 days of launch, dumb luck. What can I say, my greed kicked in and I fell for some of the profiteering too. So while you've chosen to play me off as someone who had a few old GPUs and got out because the money was bad, the truth is I made much more money than I ever expected I could.

I'm sure this post is too long for the redditors who've complained about the length of my posts before. Fortunately for you books are getting shorter! http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/books-are-getting-shorter-heres-why-042613.html

TL;DR "culturally induced ADD ... decreases the ability to think in complex ways because it eliminates complexity in sentence structure ... But it's also a little bit of intellectual laziness ... That's what happens in an era when people are famous for being famous instead of famous for having accomplished something distinctive."

Don't bother responding for my sake - I won't be reading. spectrem1, oox and the rest remember that since my initial post I've only posted to defend myself. If you'd wanted me to leave earlier then you should have quit slandering me. Let the productive members of this thread get it back on target.

Christ, this thread has really brought out the mouth breathers. Nice job full quoting my last post but not addressing anything in it.

How do you know I *only* had three cards? How do you know I posted about every card I owned here? Again the type of short sighted mentality and assumptions that probably led you to get scammed by Alpha.

FWIW I asked on these forums because someone posted on LTC mining hardware comparison on the same card they were getting 425 without specs. I now see another moron has posted 475 without specs. I was naive and didn't realize this community is full of people who lie to try to impress others. Look, mines bigger.

If we've degraded ourselves to the point of rummaging through previous posts for character assassination:

Help me... oooooooo I can't understand how it's possible for grache to have more than 3 cards!

A nice quote from the other guy who made a bunch of silly assumptions about me:
How you managed to grow to be an adult and not learn what GMT is says a lot. That you take the time to ask this on a forum instead of typing GMT into google says even more. A small, but sincere, part of me wonders if you're not developmentally challenged and I shouldn't be poking fun.

This mess started with me posting my analysis of what might have happened after following this thread since the beginning. I innocently said "miner's greed" and that triggered some people and my posts since then have been defending attacks against me.

Those posters can't accept that they were bamboozled and realize that their greed is the reason why. They lash out at anyone who doesn't sympathize with them without thought because they can't accept their own culpability.

For the other posters and victims of Alpha, my comments aren't directed at you and sorry for hi-jacking the thread. Let's get the thread back on track.

I lied 
I didn't plan for such an absurd attack on my last post.

I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that I primarily got into it to make as much money as I could, or how you know what my expectations about profit were?
I got into cryptos right before the litecoin price surge, so it was still questionable if I would make enough to pay for the hardware I bought, so please don't accuse me of something you have no proof of one way or another.

I got into it as I said because I was interested in the actual bitcoin protocol. How much talk do you see here about Merkle hashes for example? Could you give a brief technical explanation?

What is a HW error? What causes it and what are it's implications? No one seems to talk about those sorts of thing here, in fact I ended up reading CGminer's source to find the answer. Understanding things like these are more interesting than yet another scam coin or multipool to me, that's the main reason I've left, small profit, lots of heat and noise are other reasons.

Regardless of social implications? What?
I was interested in the social implications. I learned a lot about them, as much as I wanted to. I've moved on to other interests and projects.

Yes, I did mine scam coins, and I'm just as guilty as anyone else. However I didn't get into cryptos for that reason, and I knew it wasn't sustainable. Also how do you know that I solely put my effort into scam coins?

OK,  how did your large comment help "people trying to claim money back and are taking legal action"? Also I only posted on this page, my first comment was a possible scenario of what happened, from there I was attacked twice, now three times.

As I said, I hope there's justice for those who lost money. But with a scam it takes two to tango. Instead of solely blaming Alpha, I only said it might be worthwhile to ask what they could have done to avoid being scammed. Those that don't understand this *do* need help.

What exactly have you done???

You're right I didn't say anything, although my initial thoughts were: yes there will be Scrypt ASICs, but I didn't have much faith in Alpha.

I have a very naive idea about hardware designed, having design some very basic circuits in VHDL (I can substantiate that with code). So I knew from a technical standpoint that Scrypt ASICs were possible, and almost certainly coming.

In the kind of community I imagined before I got involved, I figured most would know more than I do about FPGAs/ASICs. But if you look back to the first pages of this thread it's clear that very few have any idea, and were posting based on rumors and gut feelings. Kind of like you how made lots of assumptions about my motives and actions based on nothing but emotions.

Just to make sure that it's clear, I'm not laughing at those who lost their money. I don't revel in the misery of anyone who has been scammed, and I hope they get justice.

My comments were for those who continue to defend their poor choices, instead of choosing to learn from them.

I got into cryptos first because of interest in the protocol and social implications and second to see if I could make a little money. I was displeased that the community was almost entirely comprised of redditors with a get-rich quick mentality. Very few seem interested in innovation or changing the financial industry, which is why Bitcoin was created.

The community along with razor thin profits pushed me away, I've sold all my mining hardware and got back my original investment. I have a few bitcoin in cold storage, but barring that I'm out, and this will be my last post here.

Understand that for the same reason that I've left that scams will continue to happen. Who's a better mark than a group of people who don't care about / understand the underlying technologies and are filled with avarice?

Yea, no shock you lost your money. Going to invest thousands on a product, but TLDR.

TLDR early on this samepage I said at best even if Alpha even had any intentions to make a miner they were still planning to profit if they failed, and in this same damn post I accused Alpha of being shady. If you can't tell that I'm not a fanboy no wonder you can't spot a bad investment.

TLDR oops that previous paragraph is probably too long for you.

TLDR people like you who don't do due diligence will soon be separated from your money.

Captain hindsight, maybe that's a moniker that fits. But trying to figure out Alpha's motivations seems more productive than bitching and moaning about the money you lost.

You used the word bet, granted in an expression, but that's really what you were doing: gambling. If one wants to gamble they're much better off, objectively, playing a game like blackjack or betting red/black on roulette as the odds approach 1/2. However many people still play the lottery, the odds are much worse, so why do they play? Greed, the fantasy of hitting the big jackpot makes them forget about everything objective.

It's the same thing with Alpha and these miners. You got on the pre-order, sending your money months in advance to a company who since day one gave much doubt over their legitimacy. You and the others did this knowing that there existed the possibility of never seeing your money again, but hoping that you'd get a miner that'd make more than you'd invested. Now you have the cheek to say it wasn't greed that forced you to gamble all your savings? If you thought this was a good idea at the time, and continue to defend your decision, then if it wasn't for Alpha, you'd have squandered the money away sooner than later - a fool and his money are soon separated.

All this promise talk is bullshit. The only real promises Alpha gave were that they wouldn't refund your money after a certain point, they never addressed what would happen if they didn't deliver or what you'd get in compensation if they delivered late. And many people asked when Fiaz started posting on this thread and he never answered. So save this poor victim talk, blame your greed which made you gloss over what was actually promised.

The cryptocurrency community at this point is almost entirely driven by greed. It is no longer about innovation, providing an alternative to traditional financial instruments or anything else noble. You say you're going to support the UTC community, why? Because you've got UTC and you want the value to increase? That's why people hype scam coins (the majority of the time anyway), not because of community, or the coin's innovations (new logo in most cases is the only innovation) or wider acceptance of cryptos, but because they want the value to increase so they can profit - that is greed.

Instead of automatically coming back to attack me / bitching about how bad your luck is, why not contemplate what I've said, the actions that have led you here, and try to understand how you can prevent something similar from happening in the future.

I've been reading this thread on and off for months.

It's interesting to see how things have evolved, and with hindsight we can see who was an Alpha shill: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=215568 (active for 2 days, almost every post about Alpha and praising them - even a thread reminding people the pre-order was closing! haha)

It seems like most people here think it's black and white, either Alpha was scamming the entire time, or that they'll still deliver and it was 3rd parties who've caused the delays.

I think there's a broader range of possibilities, the most optimistic being that Alpha thought that maybe they could pull it off, but even if they didn't they would still get lots of cash because of pre-orders, or the other end being that it was a scam they orchestrated from the beginning (less likely).

Consider this, KnC miners is made up of a bunch of engineers, and their website links to their linkedins: https://www.kncminer.com/pages/aboutus

Alpha was made up of accountants, who would get other people to do the engineering.

This is important, because accountants know how to make sure they will make money even if they don't deliver. By saying that miners are business partners and making the pre-orders difficult to refund. I believe they had this plan from the beginning.

Getting in the cryptocurrency miner game is a bent accountants wet dream - greed from miners mean they'll happily send money for a pre-order, several months waiting for manufacture to be expected, etc.

So I think the most likely scenario is they hoped they could create a miner and make money as a legitimate business; this way they could make more money, using their reputation to sell new products in the future. If it was a scam the entire time they would have never bother investing in any chip production (although I'm not sure there's proof they have). But if things turned out how they have they'd still make a small fortune.

Good info nvandertill, I've still got a couple questions to make sure I understand what you've done to the board.

I've got 3 cards plugged directly into the 16x slots (without touching the bios). If I want to install cards in the 1x slots using risers do I need to ground each 1x slot? When grounding using 68 Ohm resistors you just need to plug the resistor into B17 only (not A1 or any other ground), right?

I think I know the answers, just want to make sure.

Thanks in advance

I had an auto payout not go through, the TXID doesn't appear in the blockchain explorer and the coins haven't arrived in my wallet. The payout happened an hour and a half ago.

I've got several Saphire OC 7870s ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A2J4ROE/ref=oh_details_o00_s02_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 )

I'd like to undervolt them, while there's a bunch of info in undervolting 79xx, I haven't found much related to 78xx. My first concern is increasing the life of the cards, and second saving a little power. Unlike other cards, I haven't been able to find a BIOS switch, I'm pretty sure they don't have one. I'm little concerned about bricking them.

Outside of general undervolting advice from tutorials like cryptobadgers, does anyone have any advice?

Thanks for the response. Unfortunately those settings gave me a hashrate of 0, and I had to reboot :|

Must be that each card needs different settings :/

I think I'll just have to settle for 390 for the moment, I've spent way more time than the extra 20 hash is worth.

I'm having a bit of trouble tuning my two Saphire 7870 OC Edition, which is a Pitcairn not a Tahiti. I've seen that others are getting as high as 420 on their Pitcairns, but I haven't been able to find their exact config.

I'm getting ~380k each, but my WU are pretty low, at 259 and 280. Here's the output from cgminer:

cgminer version 3.4.3 - Started: [2013-12-03 06:09:26]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 (5s):707.2K (avg):757.7Kh/s | A:54284  R:1228  HW:248  WU:540.1/m
 ST: 1  SS: 0  NB: 50  LW: 610  GF: 0  RF: 0                   
 Connected to stratum.mypool.com diff 215 with stratum as user myuser.x
 Block: 8eed9c63b68cdb8c...  Diff:114M  Started: [07:46:17]  Best share: 81.5K
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 [P]ool management [G]PU management [S_]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
 GPU 0:  58.0C 2542RPM | 380.7K/380.2Kh/s | A:24901 R:494 HW:143 WU:259.6/m I:20
 GPU 1:  58.0C 2591RPM | 380.3K/377.8Kh/s | A:29383 R:734 HW:106 WU:280.5/m I:20
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Here's a copy of my cgminer.conf:

{
"pools" : [
        {
                "url" : "stratum+tcp://stratum.mypool.com:3333",
                "user" : "myusername.x",
                "pass" : "mypass"
        }
]
,
"intensity" : "20",
"vectors" : "1",
"worksize" : "256",
"kernel" : "scrypt",
"lookup-gap" : "2",
"thread-concurrency" : "11520",
"shaders" : "1024",
"expiry" : "120",
"auto-fan" : true,
"gpu-dyninterval" : "7",
"gpu-threads" : "1",
"gpu-powertune" : "-5,-5",
"gpu-engine" : "900",
"gpu-memclock" : "1250",
"gpu-fan" : "65",
"log" : "5",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"queue" : "0",
"scan-time" : "30",
"scrypt" : true,
"shares" : "0",
"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin"
}

I'm  gonna give a tip of the extra earnings for 10 days to anyone who can help me increase my hashrate.