Finally you answer the question!! great!!

But trust me you better didn´t, this is a huge LOL, you are saying:

We double the supply because we had to, you know, reasons, and everyone with tokens has to buy more if they want to keep their share!! its the only fair thing and how serious and responsible business are conducted blablabla. But oh well there are a couple of exceptions. The team, i mean us, well you know. We have tokens too but we don´t have to buy more to keep share, let me explain: Thanks to our work the company is going to grow so hard. The chinese people will come in, possibilities, growing, thanks to us! because we do all the work you know, the possibilities are here because we work. so we need to motivate the team! because big challenge! china and stuff! So it´s like a bonus, we double their tokens for free so they are motivated and work hard and we all, i mean you my dear investor make money.  And well also the founders, of course, they also get free double tokens without paying. Another exception! But it´s fair: they invested a lot of money and well, we used that money for the project, imagine we tell them that their share is cut in half! hahaha maybe they don´t like it, they invested with us so much! they are so important! we love them! they all get free double tokens, its fair.

Everyone else you already has tokens, without exception, has to pay for the additional tokens. Everyone else! well, only the pre ico investors are left, but fuck´em they only gave us 500.000$ and they are just a bunch of anonymous people in the internet, small fish, who cares? no exceptions here, if they want more tokens they pay for them, that is how business are conducted. We are serious people!


Yes i´m using comedy as a tool to simplify and send a message. I´m not using it looking to offend. Now all cards are face up in the table for people to know. No scam? call it like you want.

I´m done here, there´s nothing else to say. You said it all already. Now everybody has full information to made its own judgment. Also I´m tired of this, i know my money is lost but it´s ok, there are other projects.

I will write or read no more in this thread. You are exposed in full and will not scam (call it like you want) anyone else that looks for information. The job is done. Also my planet needs me.

And Mikhail i have nothing personal against you. Believe me i don´t. Maybe you are inside this mess trying to fix other´s people wrong decisions. Maybe you are mixing the complains and the attacks because someone gave you false information. I don´t know. It´s true that you were always polite and respectful. Maybe you didn´t say what we wanted but you didn´t lie in the group or shit in anybody, and other people in the team did. I wish you good luck.

Bye.

Bye.

Now its clear you are lying big time here mixing the -whatever happened- with the false site and the bans in telegram. Everyone banned now you are lying. And you banned many investors.

Yeah i was pretty pissed of when i created this account to talk in public after you banedme for no reason.
  
I have no idea about that campaign and of course it can be 100% true. i do know for a fact that a phising website was on. I´m sorry about that.

But this is NOT true for sure. You banned people in telegram and it was nothing related to that scam you are talking about. And you were there. I think you are taking some truth and mixing everything and you know exactly that you are doing it.

That argument doesnt make any sense. You dont know how many investors were there. I can tell you this: Everybody you banned was an investor. Everyone complaining was. Don´t believe me i don´t care.

You are not in direct contact with anyone banned yesterday and with no one i´m in contact with right now. And we are now a lot of people. You maybe are in contact with someone, i suppose, but saying that it´s like you saying "everything is under control, we are in contact with every complaining investor" so it seems you care but that´s a huge lie.

Yes, the "misunderstanding" is the only thing that matters here.  And the real misunderstanding is that you are mixing different things here. When an additional emission comes, founders and team doesn´t double their shares out of thin air. And you did, so this is not the same situation.


I truly appreciate you are being here showing your face and answering questions with good tone. But something doesn´t feel right. You could have done this yesterday in telegram and you didn´t. You are doing it now when the ico has launched and you are at 0,1%. I would love to be wrong, but i think you are here now giving this answers because you are afraid the ico will fail hard, and you think it can fail hard because what you have done with pre ico investors.


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What a fairy tale you are talking here. That´s not what happened in telegram and you were there. No one created hype. No one talked about a false site, no one even used the word "scammer". We were polite in every moment and you were there, even talking in private with a guy from our group. That´s why i know you know we were all from the same group of investors, and all of us were investors. No scammers, no phising, nothing related with what you are talking about here. And you know what? The group complaining represented by a few in telegram bought nearly 20% of all the preico. And we are now in contact with a lot more of people. I´m pretty sure more than 50% of preico investors are in contact right now outside your network. Don´t believe me if you don´t want to. There´s a reason why you are alone now. We the preico investors were your only community and we are all now pissed of.

But guess what, i´m not talking about telegram anymore. Because that´s a place where you feel comfortable. It´s our word against yours and it has nothing to do with the real facts that are important here.


Right. Then answer me this simple question. Why the founders and team % remains the same after you doubled the supply? Why you received double tokens? You bought them all? Come on, we are not all stupid.
You changed the supply in a very early stage, between preico and ico, and by a lot! doubles! what if you decide to give me half tokens keeping the supply intact? You see that right? Well that´s exactly what you have done, only keeping my tokens and doubling the supply.
If you change your supply before investment for whatever reason and keep your % so you don´t lose value is fine, no one can complain. But if you do that AFTER receive investment under certain supply conditions you are stealing value from your investors. A lot of value. And not from just any investor, from the ones that took more risk with you and believe in you most!

Under intimidation or outstanding pressure you say... nothing about that was there, nothing, we didn't even start talking outside until you banned us. know why? we didn't want to hurt the project. But then you gave us no other choice.


Your buyback program is fake because it requires a certain amount of eth raised to activate. You are raising eth for a month and you need people to sign for refund in seven days. It´s impossible to ask for the refund and know if you are going to get it. And lets face it, there´s no way you are going to rise between 40K and 50K ETH the buyback program needs to activate. And if you do, it will be long after the period to subscribe into the program expire.

Well, you do know perfectly well because you were there when people started complaining in the telegram group. You know we are normal people complaining and there´s no conspiracy or attack whatsoever. You know we were patient and polite for a long time yesterday before we jumped to other forums after you banning us. Why we did that?, because we invested literally hundred of thousands of $ (yes, that much) in your project and all we wanted was things doing right and project mooning like any investor. Team had a chance to fix this but instead they ban us and screw us like this. Really, what do they expect? that we go home to cry?

This is not attack and everybody in the team knows it. Because the only thing we are doing here is bringing facts to light. When you attack someone you use lies and fud. Facts you (i don't know if you are team, if not sorry) recognise and are trying to normalize with that announcement, which is the worst thing you could possible have done.

About timing: We started complaining when we found about it. We found about it looking the ico numbers when it was about to start and were shocked. As simple as that.

It will be really sad if this project fails. We did huge research and choose you among your competitors. We invested a ton of money. Took high risk and knew it. Sadly immla made the wrong decisions. Well, its ok i guess sometimes shit goes bad, and that´s why this is a risky investment.

potential ico investors, please inform yourselves about how immla has scammed his pre ico investors, its well documented in the main thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2007562.380

They are now saying that they are being "attacked" by those who are protesting. Trust anyone, look for the facts and made your best judgment.

"Before the start of ICO, IMMLA faced a very serious ddos attack and a campaign for project discreditation. Despite all the difficulties, ICO IMMLA starts on time. We thank our community, which supports us on our way to  develop the best multimodal logistic application," said Mikhail Astakhov, co-founder of IMMLA.

Oh boy this is an attack? are we lying? why the announcement then? this is just laughable

I will copy here that great comment in your statement before you delete it, i think it says it all


MMMmmm maybe some more information should be added to this statement,

You first launch a pre-ico with certain conditions, price, supply, bonus. Get funds from investors, ok.

The pre ico finishes, and you used the funds to build the ico and promote your project thanks to your investors, fine.

Then you changed the total supply, create double tokens from thin air, and keep your % from the old supply, that is, you double your tokens, which is logical because if you don't do it you loose half of the value since you increased supply.

But you didn't increase the tokens assigned to the pre ico investors so they did cut their value in half.

People start complaining, you start banning them in telegram and delete messages. Not nice.

And now you tell investors that they can have their money back if they don´t like the fact that you cut their value in half. Now, that they have already paid the risk for you, now that you already have used the money, now that you don´t need them.

This is a huge red flag for your project as a whole. You are in fact recognizing fraud but not fixing it. Creating an horrible precedent for all your present and future investors, who now knows that you can double, triple or do whatever you want with supply in the future, keep your ratio and make everyone else poorer. And well, if you don´t like it, no problem, we give you your money back. The money that we now don´t need, the money we already used. You paid risk in exchange of nothing. Now you can choose loose value (not because the market, just because we want you to loose value), or to loose even more value. What will you do in further decisions, when real problems arrive?

But we did everything right, it´s all you that don´t understand. This is how we roll. In all this statement, there´s not a word telling anyone that something not right was done. So you are normalizing this behavior. Normalizing stealing value from your investor like its normal. Buyers beware.

Great! so now we can choose between lose value or lose more value, thank you!

Do you realize what you are doing here? You are saying you did nothing wrong cutting the value of your investors in half and keeping yours. who on earth is going to invest in your project with that announcement? And if you don´t like it there´s the door.

You did it once, you can do it again. Is normal for you. That´s what you are saying in that announcement.

And please if someone doesn't believe what this people are doing, go to the telegram group. They are still banning everything that moves. People making reasonable statements about why they are loosing confidence in the project are being banned and their messages being deleted without warning. Go there and see it for yourselves before investing a penny with this people.

Congratulations destroying your project and your investors confidence.

ojo con immla que han estafado a los inversores en la preico en toda su cara, se está discutiendo en el hilo principal en ingles,

Bueno discutiendo no, porque están dando la callada por respuesta:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2007562.400

En resumen, despues de que los inversores en la preico invirtieran, aumentaron el supply y mantuvieron su % disminuyendo el de la preico que pasó del 6,3% al 1,4%

si os preocupa os animo a que pidais explicaciones en el hilo principal,

un saludo a todos,

This is a clear scam and you are doing nothing but try to not talk about it and buy time.

It´s clear what you have done. We tried to talk to you in the official telegram group asking for a solution and all you have done is telling us that you were thinking in a solution but nothing else. That we should wait. When we started talking about complaining outside telegram you (immla) started banning us all and deleting our messages.

That´s the truth and you know it.

But of course you are going to tell me that im lying and try to diverge the attention from the main subject which is have you scammed your pre ico investors?

So let´s forget about telegram and let´s talk about facts.

This is what we the preico investors received from you as the official information:

https://i.imgur.com/JKU36mS.jpg

6,3% pre ico, 7% team, 10% founder

this is what we have now:

http://i.imgur.com/yufznG8.jpg

1,4% Preico, 7% team, 10% Founders

How on earth is this not a scam to preico investors? You have changed your WP AFTER we invested, incremented heavily your supply and keeped the % for everyone (so you dont loose value) with the only exception of the preico investors.

This is clear fraud and everybody must know about it before invest one single penny in your ICO.

Now tell everyone if any of this numbers are wrong. Forget about telegram, im sure everybody there was flooding right? Talk everybody here if this numbers are real or not and if they are real how can not be a scam.