I don't think AB is an answer to anything.  It's just an element of innovation as you said was great. We want advancements in hardware, so why not processes/software?  It's not like they are cheating, they just found a more efficient workflow for the end result.  Same as hardware.  What makes people think that anyone in their right $$ mind would ever throw away those kinds of efficacy gains in this space?  You are leaving money on the table.  AB or some form is here to stay forever whether you like it or not.  $ ALWAYS trumps people feelings......

If BYTOM is meant for AI, then is this the miner with Sophon asic?

Hat Trick for the Pool!

Technology advancement.  Thats what I'm for.  Thats the only way that blockchain will prevail.  However it gets there, as long as it does and nobody gets burned, I'm okay with it.  So yall are saying that you would rather have waited another 6-9 months for a 10nm asic boosted miner to be available?

Its been so long ago that I kind of remember them saying being fully funded but not sure.  But I almost guarantee that the only full funds they had were for the chips and first pre production run and maybe small batch, and rest of money was allotted for NRE.  If I had to write a conspiracy theory book about the whole ordeal I would guess that the principles had a good chunk of cash, had the connects to get relationship with samsung and contracted innosilicon to do R&D.  Pretty sure they had no choice to do pre-sale.  Behind the scenes of the business is rarely seen, and AB prevented much of anything, so pretty much nothing at all is what we got.  Not saying they were right, but saying in their shoes with limited resources as everyone has, it was probably the only way to get miners to the market.  So you either do it the way they did, or you never get off the ground because you ran out of cash.  I think positives of increasing technology to the market outweighs the negatives of forum speak.  Has anyone gotten hurt?  Did anyone lose their money?  I think we are all still better off today than if they never came along.....

Are you saying that if you were in their shoes, had spent the so called millions on development, had working units in hand and a pretty good feeling about success rate of the design based on experience, that you wouldn't have tried to do presale?  As an Engineer, I hate pre-sale stuff as much as the next guy because in reality, at that point it isn't ready. And then you have a time limit your final R&D phases have to be restricted by.  I could probably argue both ways, sure business sense wise and the optics was not good, however, I can't say that if I were in their shoes that I wouldn't be one of the first to want to hawk my 'wares ASAP.  In the end its about the miner and not about the launch PR, or lack thereof.  I'd much rather them focus on getting the hardware right than trying to quiet down the peanut gallery.

Can complain all we want about them not advertising that it works on certain pools, but don't you guys realize that the only reason they didn't was to hide AB implementation, which was obviously withheld for legal reasons?  Kinda hard for them to disclose that info ahead of time without letting cat out of the bag.  In due time, I would bet all the pools will support AB and this whole point will be moot.  How would you guys have handled it differently?

so when does this thread get moved to "hardware"?  Not sure if we can call this speculation anymore.  Units shipped...check!  People bitching about said units.....check!

Maybe....  Kanon

here you go kids, dragon unboxing.....

https://www.pscp.tv/brianchoffman/1mnxeXWPVdbJX?t=5s

Sidewinder!!!! Dude is still bringing it!  How big is this guy's farm?

I think in this instance.....he's chasing the carrot.  I'd say Kano's strategy is working well.

Sidewinder pouring the gas on....Dude has added 10P in last 4 days...

So I've been noodling on it for a minute and I think I'm starting to see it better.  The way I'm thinking about it is correct, payout is only based on your hashpower relative to the rest of the network, BUT only at the moment that difficulty changes.  From there, the pool hashrate rules the variation.  The effect of every pool in the world increasing hashrate would just increase block production speed, and then difficulty would adjust up after the 2016 blocks.  So if you tracked the % change in pool rate from when difficulty changed and applied that to what you calculate from payout at moment of difficulty change, it should correlate with reward.

I left at the worst time.  I let us crack the fat 600lb bitch and then bolted.  I think I got a few on the ramp down.  It was a pain to get the notifications on my phone this month.  hence why I eventually hopped back on.

I thought the number of zeros is some indication of how close we are to cracking a block.  doesn't it correlate to how much work has been done?  So for simplicity sake, and maybe this is where it goes to $hit, lets say we are working on block 1.  and the desire number of zeros is 10.  Weve hashed a while and we are up to 9 zeros.  Some other pool has been hashing and they get a working hash with 10 zeros before us.  Now all the work we did to get the 9 zeros is out the door.  However, if the other pool didn't exist, is it not the case, that there is less incremental work from 9 to 10 zeros, then from starting back at zero zeros?


I'll go back to the dice and see if I can finagle it in my head....

From previous edit not sure you saw...


Edit:....So it clicked in my head on my hangup.  If rest of world shut off, then we would never throw work away. Every block we try to crack and dont crack, that is wasted hashpower.  So if we have no competition, every hash and all the work we send to the block will result in a block.  Right now we only have a very small percentage of actual work that results in a block.  How could that not speed up block generation over expected?

touche

February was hurting and my lonely 741 was printing pennies.  Needed a change.  Worst decision of my life.  Upside, I have 500LCC worth some dust that will buy me a lambo someday lol.

Thank you for still trying to explain but I'm still not following......When I was on slush for a short time, you could see along the chart how much work we had completed for every block.  There were many blocks where we were very close to hitting but then someone else did.  Had the other pool not existed, then it seems to me, that sooner rather than later, we would have cracked it with a little more hashpower thrown at it.  

And I get that it would be greater than 2 weeks because we have to crack 2016 for diff change.  Will take much longer now.  I'll ponder on that for a bit and maybe it will come around in my head.  Thanks for the time!

Question...would my model of thinking be correct say if difficulty adjusted every block?  like LCC?


Edit:....So it clicked in my head on my hangup.  If rest of world shut off, then we would never throw work away. Every block we try to crack and dont crack, that is wasted hashpower.  So if we have no competition, every hash and all the work we send to the block will result in a block.  Right now we only have a very small percentage of actual work that results in a block.  How could that not speed up block generation over expected?

Yes, I get that.  Our hashes are dependent on difficulty. However, difficulty is adjusted to maintain block time.  What is sole variable in block time?  Hashes.  So while that only happens every two weeks, you are still competing against the rest of the network to find a block faster.  

Otherwise, what you are saying is that if every other pool in the world could close up shop for 2 weeks right after difficulty change, then we would not find any more blocks during that time than we would have expected to prior to the 2 week shutoff.

144 blocks total to be found every day right?  And is it not true that every hash sent by every machine has the same probability of cracking a block?  If so, then how could it not average out to total blocks per day generation * your % share of entire network is daily payout?  The only variance you should see in payout is luck.  And pool fees.  And pool operator (which is main reason I'm back mining on Kano).  Left after just being ramped up in February to mine LCC and just came back last week for FOMO lol.