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You clearly misunderstood what provably fair and house edge means.
So if you placed 101 bets, you will statistically lose 1 bet and the other 100 bets are coinflips of which you should win 50 bets and lose 50 bets.
You can still lose 60 bets and win 40 bets. Like what happened to you
You can also lose 99 bets and win only 1 bet. Its called gambling .
15 months later still not compensated!
The Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and not provably fair!
Info 1)
If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:
Bets: 180,904
Wins: 78,285
Losses: 86,612
If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)
Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.
Info 2)
The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.
Losing 0,5% out of 180,904 bets placed = 900 bets to lose.
If you compare Info 1) with Info 2), you can see that I lost 8,327 bets instead of the 900 bets I should lose = 9 times more!
While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times more after 180,904 bets!
In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.
Their strategy to ignore me, while they are clearly at fault, will fail!
You clearly misunderstood what provably fair and house edge means.The Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and not provably fair!
Info 1)
If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:
Bets: 180,904
Wins: 78,285
Losses: 86,612
If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)
Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.
Info 2)
The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.
Losing 0,5% out of 180,904 bets placed = 900 bets to lose.
If you compare Info 1) with Info 2), you can see that I lost 8,327 bets instead of the 900 bets I should lose = 9 times more!
While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times more after 180,904 bets!
In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.
Their strategy to ignore me, while they are clearly at fault, will fail!
Provablyfair is the ability or mechanism to ensure that the round result was not tampered or selectively picked by casino or anyone. You verify this using server seeds provided and your own client seed.
What you posted clearly shows you gambled irresponsibly and lost .
Why is the Crypto Gambling Foundation important?
It is Stake's marketing tool to mislead victims!
- By verifying and promoting provably fair operators, they ensure that players can enjoy a transparent and secure gambling experience, without worrying about rigged outcomes or fraudulent practices.
Stake's in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged!
Info 1)
If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:
Bets: 180,904
Wins: 78,285
Losses: 86,612
If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)
Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.
Info 2)
The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.
Losing 0,5% out of 180,904 bets placed = 900 bets lose.
If you compare Info 1) with Info 2), you can see that I lost 8,327 bets instead of the 900 bets I should lose = 9 times more!
While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times more after 180,904 bets!
Info 3)
When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.
The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because they are neutral and you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.
4,6% of the bets lost while I should lose only 0,5% means my experienced deviation of the 180,000 coin flips is 4,1%!
Now let's take a look at the standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips:
A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 34 times higher than the standard deviation (4,1% : 0,12% = 34)
B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 11 times higher than the 3 times standard deviation (4,1% : 0,36% = 11)
Info 4)
The Stake bet transaction history only states 180,000 single bet events and no overview of my experienced house edge.
To get my experienced house edge from the bet transaction history, I would need to take a look at all 180,000 bets and calculate it manually!
If the cards were dealt fair and I lost only 0,5% of all bets placed while the statistics states that I lost 4,6%, then the Stake statistics is rigged!
In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.
I hope this helps you understand what the Crypto Gambling Foundation is and how it works. If you want to learn more, you can visit their website or contact them through their contact form.
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Provablyfair means that you can verify and confirm the round results and how they were generated. It has nothing to do with percentage of losses and wins.
I posted proof that their in-house Black Jack system is rigged!
So if the cards were dealt fair, which I can not verify, then their statistics is rigged and misled me to deposit and lose huge amounts!
In either case they have to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I unjustifiably lost.
Why is the Crypto Gambling Foundation important?
It is Stake's marketing tool to mislead victims!
- By verifying and promoting provably fair operators, they ensure that players can enjoy a transparent and secure gambling experience, without worrying about rigged outcomes or fraudulent practices.
Stake's in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged!
Info 1)
If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:
Bets: 180,904
Wins: 78,285
Losses: 86,612
If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)
Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.
Info 2)
The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.
Losing 0,5% out of 180,904 bets placed = 900 bets lose.
If you compare Info 1) with Info 2), you can see that I lost 8,327 bets instead of the 900 bets I should lose = 9 times more!
While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times more after 180,904 bets!
Info 3)
When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.
The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because they are neutral and you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.
4,6% of the bets lost while I should lose only 0,5% means my experienced deviation of the 180,000 coin flips is 4,1%!
Now let's take a look at the standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips:
A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 34 times higher than the standard deviation (4,1% : 0,12% = 34)
B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 11 times higher than the 3 times standard deviation (4,1% : 0,36% = 11)
Info 4)
The Stake bet transaction history only states 180,000 single bet events and no overview of my experienced house edge.
To get my experienced house edge from the bet transaction history, I would need to take a look at all 180,000 bets and calculate it manually!
If the cards were dealt fair and I lost only 0,5% of all bets placed while the statistics states that I lost 4,6%, then the Stake statistics is rigged!
In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.
I hope this helps you understand what the Crypto Gambling Foundation is and how it works. If you want to learn more, you can visit their website or contact them through their contact form.
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@ j6o74
1) spribe.co is not listed as a verified operator on the Crypto Gambling Foundation website.
2) The Crypto Gambling Foundation website https://cryptogambling.org/ is dead since years. Same with this thread here.
This "provably fair" was a marketing tool when the Stake casino has started in 2017 to draw unaware customers in.
Since Stake is successful, they do not care about their marketing tool "provably fair" anymore!
Yeah SPRIBE is a third party games provider. 1) spribe.co is not listed as a verified operator on the Crypto Gambling Foundation website.
2) The Crypto Gambling Foundation website https://cryptogambling.org/ is dead since years. Same with this thread here.
This "provably fair" was a marketing tool when the Stake casino has started in 2017 to draw unaware customers in.
Since Stake is successful, they do not care about their marketing tool "provably fair" anymore!
Just checking if theres any casino house representatives here from operators who host SPRIBE's games
Hello,
Games from SPRIBE especially the famous Aviator game and they claim to be provably fair but they dont actually provide scripts or mechanisms to verify them at all.
Though previously they have been using same popular provablyfair methods used by most crash games
But starting January 01st they abruptly removed it and didnt update their provablyfair page nor inform clients nor casinos which led us to suspect scam to rig their games. When we contacted them their ignored or blocked which is very strange and suspicious.
Could you have been informed or updated about it or are you aware about it?
Their provably fair page
https://spribe.co/provably-fair doesnt provide any methods or scripts about it.
Can you confirm whether they're still provably fair or not? (If yes Provide scripts or calculations methods)
Games from SPRIBE especially the famous Aviator game and they claim to be provably fair but they dont actually provide scripts or mechanisms to verify them at all.
Though previously they have been using same popular provablyfair methods used by most crash games
But starting January 01st they abruptly removed it and didnt update their provablyfair page nor inform clients nor casinos which led us to suspect scam to rig their games. When we contacted them their ignored or blocked which is very strange and suspicious.
Could you have been informed or updated about it or are you aware about it?
Their provably fair page
https://spribe.co/provably-fair doesnt provide any methods or scripts about it.
Can you confirm whether they're still provably fair or not? (If yes Provide scripts or calculations methods)
i really dont think a provider is gonna want to not be reliable, but as you are showing some evidences im gonna test it too!
Yeah especially with their flagship aviator game with over 10,000,000 users monthlyThat's surprising indeed. Have you tried to compare the results given by this algorithm and the results displayed by the game? They are very different? Or it's just 10.0 instead of 10.5 for example?
You should maybe report the case on the thread of the Crypto Gambling Foundation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2178857
Some managers or representatives of some casinos using this provider will maybe contact them to ask them to publish the new algorithm they are using to generate the results.
Yes they're totally different. You should maybe report the case on the thread of the Crypto Gambling Foundation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2178857
Some managers or representatives of some casinos using this provider will maybe contact them to ask them to publish the new algorithm they are using to generate the results.
Thanks for the link I will post in there
I actually tried reaching out to them on their social media platforms but they ignored and deleted my comments on LinkedIn and blocked me on Facebook.
There's no way how to check provablyfairness on paying versions too check them out on https://wolf.bet/ or https://sportsbet.io/casino or any other popular casino.
Their official provably fair page https://spribe.co/provably-fair doesn't provide any mathematical methods or script to verify their games either.
Yes, now I see where you have written it, well it's not the main point of your claim but if it's true you're right it's not professional and a bit suspicious. There is a similar thread about Fortunejack on other so-called provably fair games and at least they seem to have contacted the third-party provider offering the game to report the claim.There's no way how to check provablyfairness on paying versions too check them out on https://wolf.bet/ or https://sportsbet.io/casino or any other popular casino.
Their official provably fair page https://spribe.co/provably-fair doesn't provide any mathematical methods or script to verify their games either.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5478417
If it's exactly the same game as the free one(demo), you're right, the game is not provably fair, since we can't independently check the outcomes. They give the seed used by the house
and the seeds used by the first 3 players of the given round, they show the SHA512 hash of those seeds(concatenated I guess), they show the part of this hash they've taken to get the outcome and its value in decimal format but then they don't say how the result has been computed from this value.
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If it's exactly the same game as the free one(demo), you're right, the game is not provably fair, since we can't independently check the outcomes. They give the seed used by the house
and the seeds used by the first 3 players of the given round, they show the SHA512 hash of those seeds(concatenated I guess), they show the part of this hash they've taken to get the outcome and its value in decimal format but then they don't say how the result has been computed from this value.
And previously(31st,Dec,2023) they have been using same mathematical method as most crash games (i think originally from BustaBit) and the seeds used by the first 3 players of the given round, they show the SHA512 hash of those seeds(concatenated I guess), they show the part of this hash they've taken to get the outcome and its value in decimal format but then they don't say how the result has been computed from this value.
Code:
function gameResult(hash) {
const nBits = 52
hash = hash.slice(0, nBits/4)
const r = parseInt(hash, 16)
let X = r / Math.pow(2, nBits)
X = 99 / (1 - X)
const result = Math.floor(X)
return Math.max(1, result / 100)
}
If you pass the final combined sha512 hash of any round result of aviator game played before 01st January 2024 to above javascript function it will output the exact round result hence proving provablyfairness but this was stopped on 01st January. Its why i suspect tampering and producing unfair resultsconst nBits = 52
hash = hash.slice(0, nBits/4)
const r = parseInt(hash, 16)
let X = r / Math.pow(2, nBits)
X = 99 / (1 - X)
const result = Math.floor(X)
return Math.max(1, result / 100)
}
Since you didn't add strong evidence, take this as a warning and consider doing deeper research to see if what you posted is likely to happen. If you have any other proofs you can add here, why they blocked you and what kind of conversation they had with you, because if they blocked you from their social media for no reason, then their motives must be doubted.
I don't understand why you are talking about social medias and why you claim he has been blocked by them. He had talked about this case elsewhere or post from him here has been deleted? If it's because of another conversation you should quote his post or a link towards it.Anyway, it would be better if OP could post a link towards a paying version of the game and some screenshots. But I didn't find how to check the provably fairness of the rounds in the demo version(free) of the game in his link, Indeed.
There's no way how to check provablyfairness on paying versions too check them out on https://wolf.bet/ or https://sportsbet.io/casino or any other popular casino.
Their official provably fair page https://spribe.co/provably-fair doesn't provide any mathematical methods or script to verify their games either.
Since you didn't add strong evidence, take this as a warning and consider doing deeper research to see if what you posted is likely to happen. If you have any other proofs you can add here, why they blocked you and what kind of conversation they had with you, because if they blocked you from their social media for no reason, then their motives must be doubted.
There is no conversation because they just ignore and delete them. And the fact that they abruptly removed the provablyfair methods they have been using since 2019 and never informed us players or casinos hosting their games about new methods if any(i doubt).
Actually i think there's also a possibility of them collaborating with casino houses to tamper with games in their favor
There's no scam accusation here, I bet the OP is just warning us in terms of the change of the algo of their game. The change of probably fair into none is too suspicious without them announcing it if its "true". Although i won't agree just yet when there's no proof shown like the chat logs, the result when using the probably fair verifier using the seed (server/client), hash, etc. from Spribe itself.
Let us say the OP has not created any scam accusations and trying to make us aware of the site to avoid our loss. If so the post should be created on the reputation section instead of the scam accusation board.You have no proof which stand on your side and oppose the site that has been accused. If you have any proof then please share the details. You have nothing said about the scam amount and/or scam payment method and how they scammed you.
Do you consider it a scam if a casino is providing provablyfair games claiming theyre provablyfair but theyre actually not provablyfair ?
You have no proof which stand on your side and oppose the site that has been accused. If you have any proof then please share the details. You have nothing said about the scam amount and/or scam payment method and how they scammed you.
There's no scam accusation here, I bet the OP is just warning us in terms of the change of the algo of their game. The change of probably fair into none is too suspicious without them announcing it if its "true". Although i won't agree just yet when there's no proof shown like the chat logs, the result when using the probably fair verifier using the seed (server/client), hash, etc. from Spribe itself.Anyone can just check any of their games and see theyre not provablyfair within 2 minutes. There are available on most casinos world wide eg WolfBet, MetaSpins , Sportsbet.io etc.
Just check them and confirm for yourself. They have demo balance you dont even need to deposit.
You can also visit their provablyfair https://spribe.co/provably-fair
For aviator check the results from last year or any previous year thsn run the combined sha512 throught this javascript function below it will output the exact result hence proving provablyfair.
function gameResult(hash) {
const nBits = 52
hash = hash.slice(0, nBits/4)
const r = parseInt(hash, 16)
let X = r / Math.pow(2, nBits)
X = 99 / (1 - X)
const result = Math.floor(X)
return Math.max(1, result / 100)
}
But they removed it abruptly on 01st January this year without any information neither to players or casinos who host their games
Re: [LIST] Scam Accusation Cases Against Casino Platform on The Forum
Thank you, this is a very helpful list.
2 weeks ago, Peeps Place made this Complete list of Crypto Casino and Sportsbook Scam Accusations which is helpful too but honestly, your list is more helpful with more information and better format.
Both threads are helpful and hope you two will continue to update your lists.
Welcome to Casino Review, Odds comparison, Provably Fair Verifiers, Bots
2 weeks ago, Peeps Place made this Complete list of Crypto Casino and Sportsbook Scam Accusations which is helpful too but honestly, your list is more helpful with more information and better format.
Both threads are helpful and hope you two will continue to update your lists.
Welcome to Casino Review, Odds comparison, Provably Fair Verifiers, Bots
Yeah, just to clarify [to avoid any trolls trying to sling mud at me, LOL], this is not me plagiarizing the list or tried to copy the move, Peeps asked me to take over the project, given I've had a plan to publish similar information and already had my format.
This thread is still far from perfection, and inputs are very much welcome. For example, just few minutes ago I added a section about providers as people pointed out that their PF games are not verifiable. I am still not sure if having a section about them is a good idea, as it'll imply cases with providers voided a bet as their final rulings will belong to this section.
Thank you. This is very helpful
Hello,
Aviator is arguably the biggest crash game globally. Its owned by SPRIBE which supplies it to most casino sites.
Since it started in 2019 it has been provablyfair proven with same method as BustaBit i.e (function gameResult(hash) {
const nBits = 52
hash = hash.slice(0, nBits/4)
const r = parseInt(hash, 16)
let X = r / Math.pow(2, nBits)
X = 99 / (1 - X)
const result = Math.floor(X)
return Math.max(1, result / 100)
});
Starting on 01st, January this year, they stopped using it and didnt update us on any new methods and on their provablyfair page https://spribe.co/provably-fair they just describe it but not provide any actual mathematical methods or script for their games
When i tried to inquire from them on their social media platforms they just blocked and muted me.
This is very strange and suspicious.
Aviator is arguably the biggest crash game globally. Its owned by SPRIBE which supplies it to most casino sites.
Since it started in 2019 it has been provablyfair proven with same method as BustaBit i.e (function gameResult(hash) {
const nBits = 52
hash = hash.slice(0, nBits/4)
const r = parseInt(hash, 16)
let X = r / Math.pow(2, nBits)
X = 99 / (1 - X)
const result = Math.floor(X)
return Math.max(1, result / 100)
});
Starting on 01st, January this year, they stopped using it and didnt update us on any new methods and on their provablyfair page https://spribe.co/provably-fair they just describe it but not provide any actual mathematical methods or script for their games
When i tried to inquire from them on their social media platforms they just blocked and muted me.
This is very strange and suspicious.
Re: IsItProvablyFair.org - Instantly verify if the game you just played was fair!
@OP Great to see a tool that makes it easier to check your bets. In my opinion, as a crypto community, we should promote cryptographic security in casinos (provaibly fair mechanism) more and even expect/force/ casinos to use them
by boycotting casinos that do not comply. Without this mechanism, we are condemned to the mercy of the casino, whether it lets us win this time or not.
The provaibly fair mechanism differs slightly in different casinos, so a tool would have to be created for each casino separately.
by boycotting casinos that do not comply. Without this mechanism, we are condemned to the mercy of the casino, whether it lets us win this time or not.
Very nice work, but why limiting this tool only to Bustabit website?
There are many other casinos available and many of them are claiming to have provably fair games.
Maybe you can fork the code and make it work for other casinos.
There are many other casinos available and many of them are claiming to have provably fair games.
Maybe you can fork the code and make it work for other casinos.
The provaibly fair mechanism differs slightly in different casinos, so a tool would have to be created for each casino separately.
Yes and most crash games these days no longer use a chain of hashes. They mostly combine server seed and 3 client seeds from first 3 players of each round and then hash combination to SHA512 where the result is generated