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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
This made me remember when we broke 266 on gox/stamp/btc-e last year.
The exchanges were slowly eating their walls until everyone were on no man's land and we quickly rushed to 350.
I think I am getting old for this.
The exchanges were slowly eating their walls until everyone were on no man's land and we quickly rushed to 350.
I think I am getting old for this.
Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
5K Bitcoin bought in the last 11 mins on finex. Someone is entering.
I think this is forced liquidation from people who were shorting btc.
There is more than 10k Btc open on the short side on Bitfinex, will be fun to see them closing their positions to cover losses.
Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
Thinking of entering mayn...
Get in there. Its $431 already!
$448 on finex
Short squeeze.
Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
We're seeing some really huge dumps getting ravenously gobbled up. Fascinating stuff.
Sometimes I think our colloquial metaphors have been poorly chosen.
Sometimes I think our colloquial metaphors have been poorly chosen.
Shorting on times like these feels like eating shit so the metaphor is very accurate.
Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
WTF is happening?
? china is crazy, i don't know what to do, and i need to sleep
? china is crazy, i don't know what to do, and i need to sleep Chill, the fun hasn't even started.
Re: Gox have at least 200k BTC - lost keys or GAG ORDER most likely not theft
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z3v4k/claims_that_mtgox_has_a_lot_of_coin_so_far_look/
nullc is gregory maxwell
nullc is gregory maxwell
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##mtgox-statement
[15:44] <@bit14> I was just talking with gmaxwell on PM
[15:44] <@Lao_Ban__> This is awesome, IUm glad I stayed up
[15:44] <@bit14> he's skeptical in the sense that this doesn't prove those addresses still belong to gox and they weren't privately issued manual withdrawals for high profile customers
[15:44] <@bit14> which in theory could be right, but feels like a long shot
[15:47] i agree
[15:47] <@bitinstant> I highly doubt it
[15:47] <@bitinstant> We found a connection
[15:47] <@bitinstant> one of the 50k addresses is mtgox green address
[15:44] <@bit14> I was just talking with gmaxwell on PM
[15:44] <@Lao_Ban__> This is awesome, IUm glad I stayed up
[15:44] <@bit14> he's skeptical in the sense that this doesn't prove those addresses still belong to gox and they weren't privately issued manual withdrawals for high profile customers
[15:44] <@bit14> which in theory could be right, but feels like a long shot
[15:47] i agree
[15:47] <@bitinstant> I highly doubt it
[15:47] <@bitinstant> We found a connection
[15:47] <@bitinstant> one of the 50k addresses is mtgox green address
Re: Proofs that Gox have at least 200k BTC - lost keys most likely not theft
Just found this on reddit
https://pay.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1z2xo5/speculation_the_us_government_has_control_of_goxs/cfq5xb2
[12:07] Anything else you'd like to say to everyone before all the pissed off people start going nuts, even more...?
[12:09] not really
[12:09] maybe just a link? something like that: Why do we fall? - 9GAG
With the 9Gag being an image site that he linked to http://9gag.com/gag/a442vZw taken on face value its just a movie quote, but what if using 9GAG was his attempt to send out a message again, with plausible deniability if called out on it?
https://pay.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1z2xo5/speculation_the_us_government_has_control_of_goxs/cfq5xb2
[12:07] Anything else you'd like to say to everyone before all the pissed off people start going nuts, even more...?
[12:09] not really
[12:09] maybe just a link? something like that: Why do we fall? - 9GAG
With the 9Gag being an image site that he linked to http://9gag.com/gag/a442vZw taken on face value its just a movie quote, but what if using 9GAG was his attempt to send out a message again, with plausible deniability if called out on it?
Gox being served with a gag order from FBI would actually make sense and also answer the question why so little information has been given out to the "public"
I think the ties between the bust of silk road and Gox is bigger than we might realize.
Dread Pirate Roberts / slik road probably used Gox for trading and held of lot of coin / $ there, leading FBI to take a closer look at Gox and halting operations with US banks and possible locking down the cold wallets to secure any needed proof.
This is from an ongoing IRC chat minutes ago, chat ##mtgox-statement:
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[15:27] I just blew the doors off this thing guys.. I found the money
[15:27] <@bitinstant> ^
[15:28] <@Lao_Ban__> So, what now?
[15:28] <@bitinstant> Were documeting it all now
[15:28] <@bitinstant> and going to publish it
[15:27] <@bitinstant> ^
[15:28] <@Lao_Ban__> So, what now?
[15:28] <@bitinstant> Were documeting it all now
[15:28] <@bitinstant> and going to publish it
Re: Proofs that Gox have at least 200k BTC - lost keys most likely not theft
Just found this on reddit
https://pay.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1z2xo5/speculation_the_us_government_has_control_of_goxs/cfq5xb2
[12:07] Anything else you'd like to say to everyone before all the pissed off people start going nuts, even more...?
[12:09] not really
[12:09] maybe just a link? something like that: Why do we fall? - 9GAG
With the 9Gag being an image site that he linked to http://9gag.com/gag/a442vZw taken on face value its just a movie quote, but what if using 9GAG was his attempt to send out a message again, with plausible deniability if called out on it?
https://pay.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1z2xo5/speculation_the_us_government_has_control_of_goxs/cfq5xb2
[12:07] Anything else you'd like to say to everyone before all the pissed off people start going nuts, even more...?
[12:09] not really
[12:09] maybe just a link? something like that: Why do we fall? - 9GAG
With the 9Gag being an image site that he linked to http://9gag.com/gag/a442vZw taken on face value its just a movie quote, but what if using 9GAG was his attempt to send out a message again, with plausible deniability if called out on it?
Re: Proofs that Gox have at least 200k BTC - lost keys most likely not theft
If there is an US gov investigation which is forcing Mark to cooperate they could issue a gag order, that would explain the silence.
That would be extremely interesting, seeing that Mark is a French citizen living in Japan.
Silk Road users could very well use gox to withdraw cash or buy btc on the early years.
This alone is an excuse for an intervention given that Japan is a very cooperative jurisdiction, not farfetched to imagine a cooperation between Karpeles and the US gov given that he has seized assets on US.
If true, that opens an interesting possibility: Mark may actually be trying to protect customer's funds.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148147.msg1583179#msg1583179
From MagicalTux on bitcointalk:
Someone asked:
back to JPY....a nightmare for the US to try and enforce anything at all or at least quickly and not always on the friendliest terms with regional neighbors
To which, MagicalTux replied:
Japanese government is friendly to US, and also implements things such as FACTA. Also the US government can pressure any bank worldwide by threatening of cutting them off USD. A bank in any country that can not transfer USD anymore is of no use to anyone. US government has been doing this so far to get accounts held by "terrorists" (people linked to North Korea, mafia, actual terrorists, etc) and while Bitcoin is still too small to get this kind of response, it's a good idea to stay friendly with the US govt. at this point and let Bitcoin grow and gain in legitimacy.
Once again shows his willingness and desire to cooperate with the US Gov.
Re: Proofs that Gox have at least 200k BTC - lost keys most likely not theft
I'm still missing in the IRC logs where they discuss a 550,000 BTC proof move transaction... or a link between the addresses with money in them and the 424K proof transaction..... can you clarify?
I verified the first address which is one of the two addresses that received the first 50k bitcoins.
Best regards,
ilpirata79
Yes, I know that 1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 received the first 50,000 of the 29a3efd3ef04f9153d47a990bd7b048a4b2d213daaa5fb8ed670fb85f13bdbcf transaction... but what links the 29a3efd3ef04f9153d47a990bd7b048a4b2d213daaa5fb8ed670fb85f13bdbcf transaction back to mtgox? I don't see any logs about a 550K BTC transaction, just the 424K one.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z37zw/mt_gox_has_at_least_200k_btc/cfq2s5d
Re: Proofs that Gox have at least 200k BTC - lost keys most likely not theft
If there is an US gov investigation which is forcing Mark to cooperate they could issue a gag order, that would explain the silence.
That would be extremely interesting, seeing that Mark is a French citizen living in Japan.
Silk Road users could very well use gox to withdraw cash or buy btc on the early years.
This alone is an excuse for an intervention given that Japan is a very cooperative jurisdiction, not farfetched to imagine a cooperation between Karpeles and the US gov given that he has seized assets on US.
Re: Proofs that Gox have at least 200k BTC - lost keys most likely not theft
Maybe there is another issues we aren't grasping, he is constantly saying about other parties involved.
If there is an US gov investigation which is forcing Mark to cooperate they could issue a gag order, that would explain the silence.
Also depending on where is the cold storage the authorities could very well restrict Karpeles from using them.
It is just thoughts but it would add a little bit of reality on the matter, because it is impossible to lose so much on theft, and nobody stay so quiet while the business you are working so hard crumble to pieces.
What is not being said is what matter the most.
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1z2xo5/speculation_the_us_government_has_control_of_goxs/
If there is an US gov investigation which is forcing Mark to cooperate they could issue a gag order, that would explain the silence.
Also depending on where is the cold storage the authorities could very well restrict Karpeles from using them.
It is just thoughts but it would add a little bit of reality on the matter, because it is impossible to lose so much on theft, and nobody stay so quiet while the business you are working so hard crumble to pieces.
What is not being said is what matter the most.
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1z2xo5/speculation_the_us_government_has_control_of_goxs/
Re: Proofs that Gox have at least 200k BTC - lost keys most likely not theft
but the address he sent the 424k is now empty....
https://blockchain.info/address/1eHhgW6vquBYhwMPhQ668HPjxTtpvZGPC
what am I missing?
https://blockchain.info/address/1eHhgW6vquBYhwMPhQ668HPjxTtpvZGPC
what am I missing?
http://pastebin.com/q4EV1xAc
Gox have at least 200k BTC - lost keys or GAG ORDER most likely not theft
This is an IRC conversation on 2011 when people asked Mark Karpeles to prove if he owned the coins on his exchange.
IRC Source: http://pastebin.com/d7vp06hL
BTC Adresses: http://pastebin.com/q4EV1xAc
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z3cni/proofs_that_gox_have_at_least_200k_btc/
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Start of #mtgox buffer: Thu Jun 23 01:57:23 2011
* Now talking in #mtgox
* Topic is 'Mt.Gox - Official channel - https://support.mtgox.com/entries/20208066-huge-bitcoin-sell-off-due-to-a-compromised-account-rollback - Official announcement in the next hours announcing time at which site will be back (at least 24h from announce). Recoveries will be processed during those 24h - Trading will resume 1h after site opening'
* Set by MagicalTux on Wed Jun 22 16:28:08
go1dfish: I'll send 424242.42424242 bitcoins from a bunch of 50kBTC addresses (and maybe on 42kBTC) to one
well, two actually
one will get the 424k, the other one will get the change
ok, yeah all transactions get split that way as I understand it
ready guys? Don't come after me claiming we have no coins after that
hopefully I'll be able to work without getting too much disturbed after that~
yeah, ready
MagicalTux: wasn't your last tx 432K btc? lost 8k?
no
thats just the amount someone suggested
(the 424242)
ah
42 is the answer
to everything
42 is my password!
lol
hehe ic
42 is the solution to every block to
wait what's going on, is he proving he has our bitcoins still?
shit I just ruined the economy
what does this help
theres a lot of people crying wolf saying gox doesnt have their btc anymore
don't send them to the bitcoin eater please
mabus: tux is shuffling large numbers of bitcoins to show they are still under his control
anyway, going to send to 1eHhgW6vquBY... the 424242.42424242 btc.
* Now talking in #mtgox
* Topic is 'Mt.Gox - Official channel - https://support.mtgox.com/entries/20208066-huge-bitcoin-sell-off-due-to-a-compromised-account-rollback - Official announcement in the next hours announcing time at which site will be back (at least 24h from announce). Recoveries will be processed during those 24h - Trading will resume 1h after site opening'
* Set by MagicalTux on Wed Jun 22 16:28:08
go1dfish: I'll send 424242.42424242 bitcoins from a bunch of 50kBTC addresses (and maybe on 42kBTC) to one
well, two actually
one will get the 424k, the other one will get the change
ok, yeah all transactions get split that way as I understand it
ready guys? Don't come after me claiming we have no coins after that
hopefully I'll be able to work without getting too much disturbed after that~
yeah, ready
MagicalTux: wasn't your last tx 432K btc? lost 8k?
no
thats just the amount someone suggested
(the 424242)
ah
42 is the answer
to everything
42 is my password!
lol
hehe ic
42 is the solution to every block to
wait what's going on, is he proving he has our bitcoins still?
shit I just ruined the economy
what does this help
theres a lot of people crying wolf saying gox doesnt have their btc anymore
don't send them to the bitcoin eater please
mabus: tux is shuffling large numbers of bitcoins to show they are still under his control
anyway, going to send to 1eHhgW6vquBY... the 424242.42424242 btc.
IRC Source: http://pastebin.com/d7vp06hL
BTC Adresses: http://pastebin.com/q4EV1xAc
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z3cni/proofs_that_gox_have_at_least_200k_btc/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z30q9/gox_has_at_least_50000_btc/
Its becoming more and more clear that they wasn't robbed but have somehow lost control of the private keys.
Its becoming more and more clear that they wasn't robbed but have somehow lost control of the private keys.