gee it really goes from hype to troll on this thread. i personally think neither is heatlhy. i'd prefer level headed discussion but thats never going to happen.
what happened with the bitfunder thing? got my coins out ages ago and didn't follow that ordeal.
from my limited knowledge it sounds like neo & bee had only good intentions and ukyo was responsible for ripping everyone off?
P.S. you shouldn't mention suicide from behind a computer keyboard. pankkake. it's just irresponsible and takes away from any sense of common decency in the bitcoin community