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Re: The bitaxeSupra: Open source Bitcoin miner based on the BM1368 ASIC
i've been able to get ~1.1 TH stable on my single chip bitaxe supra, been running it over a week with no issues. def not with the stock PSU though, i got a 5V switching power supply off amazon. nothing fancy for cooling. literally just an extra arctic USB fan pointed at it.
settings:
850 Mhz
1350 core voltage
Temps: 65-68° C
Power: 27W-30W (not including extra fan)
Ambient/Room Temp: 70-80° F
pretty sick ngl. was also able to take a bitaxe ultra to over 700 GH with similar settings.
settings:
850 Mhz
1350 core voltage
Temps: 65-68° C
Power: 27W-30W (not including extra fan)
Ambient/Room Temp: 70-80° F
pretty sick ngl. was also able to take a bitaxe ultra to over 700 GH with similar settings.
To all the people that acted like it was "just me" here's the official word from Canaan:
We sincerely thank you for your feedback regarding the relevant security issues. Your feedback will help make the Avalon Nano 3 better and better. We apologize for the problem that occurred. Upon seeing your tweet, we immediately gathered our R&D Team to analyze and evaluate the relevant issues.
1. We discovered that the Nano's web backend had an issue where the login username and password were not verified. Malicious trojans in the local network could exploit this vulnerability to submit mining pool configuration information through a POST command to http://<yourIP>/get_home.cgi without logging in, thus stealing hash power. We have started developing the necessary firmware and expect to fix this vulnerability and release the new firmware by July 19.
2. The Nano's design purpose is relatively simple. It runs on a real-time operating system (FreeRTOS), which is not a complex professional network device and is only suitable for secure home intranets. We recommend enabling the router's firewall and not mapping the Nano host to a public IP address to prevent external hackers from directly accessing the Nano. It is also necessary to regularly check for malicious programs in the home network environment. In safe network environments without trojans, such as non-hotel or library public networks, the Nano is secure.
3. In the design of Nano, we respect users' privacy and will never set any backdoor programs. Canaan's products and services are always subject to local and international regulations regarding cybersecurity and data privacy. Canaan remains transparent by disclosing our source codes and encourages industry monitoring of potential vulnerabilities. We are committed to continually improving our products and services.
4. Starting in December, we will gradually open-source the relevant programs and release open-source firmware to ensure that all programs have better security and are compilable.
5. We appreciate every customer's understanding and support. The sales of Nano 3 have far exceeded our expectations, which is due to our customers' high expectations and recognition of us. We are very sorry for the issues that have arisen. Therefore, we will launch a compensation plan together with the release of the new firmware.
tl;dr they're releasing a new firmware for this within 1-2 weeks. after December, they plan on open sourcing the relevant firmware.
There's a vulnerability in the miner that can allow a trojan to override the the mining pool info without the proper credentials
We sincerely thank you for your feedback regarding the relevant security issues. Your feedback will help make the Avalon Nano 3 better and better. We apologize for the problem that occurred. Upon seeing your tweet, we immediately gathered our R&D Team to analyze and evaluate the relevant issues.
1. We discovered that the Nano's web backend had an issue where the login username and password were not verified. Malicious trojans in the local network could exploit this vulnerability to submit mining pool configuration information through a POST command to http://<yourIP>/get_home.cgi without logging in, thus stealing hash power. We have started developing the necessary firmware and expect to fix this vulnerability and release the new firmware by July 19.
2. The Nano's design purpose is relatively simple. It runs on a real-time operating system (FreeRTOS), which is not a complex professional network device and is only suitable for secure home intranets. We recommend enabling the router's firewall and not mapping the Nano host to a public IP address to prevent external hackers from directly accessing the Nano. It is also necessary to regularly check for malicious programs in the home network environment. In safe network environments without trojans, such as non-hotel or library public networks, the Nano is secure.
3. In the design of Nano, we respect users' privacy and will never set any backdoor programs. Canaan's products and services are always subject to local and international regulations regarding cybersecurity and data privacy. Canaan remains transparent by disclosing our source codes and encourages industry monitoring of potential vulnerabilities. We are committed to continually improving our products and services.
4. Starting in December, we will gradually open-source the relevant programs and release open-source firmware to ensure that all programs have better security and are compilable.
5. We appreciate every customer's understanding and support. The sales of Nano 3 have far exceeded our expectations, which is due to our customers' high expectations and recognition of us. We are very sorry for the issues that have arisen. Therefore, we will launch a compensation plan together with the release of the new firmware.
tl;dr they're releasing a new firmware for this within 1-2 weeks. after December, they plan on open sourcing the relevant firmware.
There's a vulnerability in the miner that can allow a trojan to override the the mining pool info without the proper credentials
honestly no one having issue with unable to log back to webgui??
I had an issue logging in via the web gui after my unit was hacked.
If you wanna reset your miner to default settings & password, then open the Avalon remote app and remote the miner.
Disconnect the miner.
Then power it back on and press the FUNC function key (before the indicator flashes red), for five seconds until the white light flashes to indicate success. Then press RESET or disconnect the power to restart. Then add back all of the network credentials via the app, then connect to the web gui.
You might need to a couple of factory resets for the login credentials to revert back too root/root
⭐ Merited by philipma1957 (3)
if you think you can do better there are many open sources that you can improve on and where you could make your contribution.
that would be a worthwhile suggestion if my 25 year contribution wasn't already out there.
as for Canaan's shipments, we just have to compliment them on the excellent logistical work they are doing with thousands of orders in a short time!
you may compliment them if you like. i found the 22 email "updates" each containing excuses like "we were on holiday" or "we will do better this week", not to be compliment worthy. for me, they fell more into the underwhelming category. i'll save my compliments for people who keep or exceed the promises they make. companies that already have a successful manufacturing and distribution network, but choose to launch a new product on a crowdfunding platform where late delivery excuses are the norm, are not in a category that warrants compliments from me.
- the shipping logistics are sub-par.
- shipping devices that all have the same factory root password in 2024 is lazy at best, willfully negligent is more likely.
- a "factory reset" that does not reset the pool configuration is sub-par.
- the firmware's tendency to change or corrupt the root password frequently, is unacceptably sub-par. i've had both of mine for a week. their credentials have each become corrupted 3 times in that short timespan. that's just pathetic.
- when i buy a device that has an ssh server set up and running on it from the very first boot, i want to have access to the credentials that ssh server accepts and i want to be able to lock people who are not me, out of that device which i own and which runs on my network. i don't want unknown persons to retain valid credentials for that device. nano 3s are shipped with a running ssh server whose credentials are not provided in the device documentation. there is no conceivable explanation for this arrangement that puts canaan in a positive light
i have no praise for anyone who delivers sub-par, but as i said, anyone can compliment them if they're happy to spend their money on sub-par.
i think deliberate mischief on canaan's part is unlikely. my own experience of these devices is that a higher than acceptable amount of stupidity went into their production. i agree with hanlon. they're not malicious, they're stupid.
well, i think this might be currently being abused. my units was hashing for months just fine. i have it at a cousins house. it went down 3 days ago, but i was traveling and wasn't able to get to it quickly. i had them power cycle it to see if that fixed it but it didn't do anything. finally was able to check on it today and the miner had completely different pool credentials.
LTC:LRpX79sC9o8DVRoDX5PUtKY65pw6VZ8LeS.av6
stratum+tcp://sha256.unmineable.com:3333
i would never mine litecoin and never used unmineable. it seems like they have 130 TH/s of SHA256 hash online and get paid out in LTC. not sure if that's 2 individual "regular" mining rigs that are hacked or if there's a 30-80 hacked nano 3's out there & the hash is being grouped together.
the worker name on my unit was change to "av6". the one's on the unmineable page are av1 and av4
i had always kept the default password as root/root. but when i tried logging in via the IP address, it did not work. i was able to change the pool info in the app but could not get access via the IP to reset the password. so I did a factory reset & also changed the default password.
I had to factory reset it twice, after one of the factory resets, the credentials somehow went back to the LTC address above & mineable pool, despite me entering my pool info to braiins. above after i tried changing the password. at first i thought maybe it was some sort of bot but after reading the posts, maybe it could have 'retained' the bad pool info & re-corrupted the password.
in any case, this is wild stuff. if you have this rig, you should definitely check your miners & we need to make this a bigger deal to canaan.
Hi all,
Im new to this miner, I was wondering if @sidehack you can help me understand about it,
There really is not proper guides on the net.
My plan is to plug this into a Rasberry 5, running a bitcoin node such as Start9orCitadel.
This way it be my own solo miner.
But Im not sure the software is compatible, if not running on node then maybe just run it of Rasberry Pi 5,
Hope this makes sense?
Im new to this miner, I was wondering if @sidehack you can help me understand about it,
There really is not proper guides on the net.
My plan is to plug this into a Rasberry 5, running a bitcoin node such as Start9orCitadel.
This way it be my own solo miner.
But Im not sure the software is compatible, if not running on node then maybe just run it of Rasberry Pi 5,
Hope this makes sense?
look into public pool if you'd like to mine to your own node/pool. pretty sure you can compile that locally if you have access to the terminal.
https://github.com/benjamin-wilson/public-pool
as for running the usb stick miner on the raspberry pi 5, while i don't have a Pi 5, i have mynode running on a pi 4/compac F. if you install tmux, you should be able to run the miner "in a separate window" that runs in the background.
The plan is to install Start9 - when the new version comes out, install the pool you mentioned, but not heard of tmux, do you have a guide?
Its a POC I'm doing, a previous poster mentioned the miner software will not work on pi5 is this something @kano you can get to work?
yep, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFEIp4E2f1M
Re: The bitaxeHex: Open source Bitcoin miner based on six BM1366 ASICs
they seem to be sold out.
I guess people were willing to pay 400 to get the 19 watts a th.
I still don’t understand the mind set of buying these over the chimney miners.
but they are smaller and look better.
Still 1000 usd for a 20th to 37th miner that does 20 watts th
vs 400 usd for 3th miner that does 20 watts a th
I guess people were willing to pay 400 to get the 19 watts a th.
I still don’t understand the mind set of buying these over the chimney miners.
but they are smaller and look better.
Still 1000 usd for a 20th to 37th miner that does 20 watts th
vs 400 usd for 3th miner that does 20 watts a th
my take:
the electric cost for a 60W miner in a year is between $50-$100 @ 10¢-20¢
the electric cost for 400-1000W is $350-$1800 @ 10¢-20¢
the appeal to the 60W miner is that it kind of just feels like a one time fee of $400 and then you're spending less than $5-10 a month in electric, which is not really noticeable to many people.
that and you get a device that'll be efficient for a long time, tbh i wouldn't be surprised to see people mining with these thru the 2032 halving
i'm personally waiting for the 0xAxe which will have 16 chips. there's also someone on the OSMU group working on a solderless ASIC module so eventually there's probably going to be a bitaxe version that's very easy to fix/upgrade.
And you will likely never hit a block. And if you mine to a pool at best it earns 18 cents with free power which means 7 years to break even
While the other one set to 20 th costing 1000 earns 1.20 a day with free power taking 3 years to break even.
I USED FREE POWER and a constant 6 cents a th to get those number's.
I have two nanos which are using 200 watts to do 6th on medium. With free power they earn 36 cents a day which is about $360 earned in $1000 days.
Hey I owned tons and tons of small gear medium gear big gear. I WILL LIKELY grab one of these.
tbf you probably wouldn't ever find a block even with an S21
i mean i get it, one has the potential to roi in a decent time period and the other is less likely unless bitcoin moons.
i'm just trying to explain why someone would get the hex over the chimney miner. there are a lot of reasons tbh. for example, there are gonna be people that just buy the chips themselves for $15 each then make a small batch, flip a couple and "get the miner for free".
at the end of the day, the chimney @ $1k is more than 2x the upfront cost of a bitaxe hex and if you don't have free power(almost no one does), then the monthly costs to operate it will be higher & noticeable. we live in an era where people complain about netflix raising the price $2 a month. so something that uses $300 more a month seems like a big difference to many people. the chimney miner will produce a lot more heat and noise as well. the hex just drastically lowers the barrier to entry and limits downside to $400 + electric. for the price of the bitaxe hex and 10¢ electric, you'd have to mine for 12 years to just match what the chimney would cost you in raw dollars.
i'm also guessing the price is gonna come down. you already have luckyminer bitaxe knock offs on aliexpress w/ 2 chips so it's only a matter of time till they copy this and undercut the market.
not hating on the chimney btw i'm just trying to explain the mindset of why someone would buy this over the chimney. ultimately, i think people new to bitcoin will start with stuff like this or the canaan avalon nano 3's then move up to stuff like the chimney or a full sized rig.
Re: The bitaxeHex: Open source Bitcoin miner based on six BM1366 ASICs
⭐ Merited by vapourminer (2)
they seem to be sold out.
I guess people were willing to pay 400 to get the 19 watts a th.
I still don’t understand the mind set of buying these over the chimney miners.
but they are smaller and look better.
Still 1000 usd for a 20th to 37th miner that does 20 watts th
vs 400 usd for 3th miner that does 20 watts a th
I guess people were willing to pay 400 to get the 19 watts a th.
I still don’t understand the mind set of buying these over the chimney miners.
but they are smaller and look better.
Still 1000 usd for a 20th to 37th miner that does 20 watts th
vs 400 usd for 3th miner that does 20 watts a th
my take:
the electric cost for a 60W miner in a year is between $50-$100 @ 10¢-20¢
the electric cost for 400-1000W is $350-$1800 @ 10¢-20¢
the appeal to the 60W miner is that it kind of just feels like a one time fee of $400 and then you're spending less than $5-10 a month in electric, which is not really noticeable to many people.
that and you get a device that'll be efficient for a long time, tbh i wouldn't be surprised to see people mining with these thru the 2032 halving
i'm personally waiting for the 0xAxe which will have 16 chips. there's also someone on the OSMU group working on a solderless ASIC module so eventually there's probably going to be a bitaxe version that's very easy to fix/upgrade.
Hi all,
Im new to this miner, I was wondering if @sidehack you can help me understand about it,
There really is not proper guides on the net.
My plan is to plug this into a Rasberry 5, running a bitcoin node such as Start9orCitadel.
This way it be my own solo miner.
But Im not sure the software is compatible, if not running on node then maybe just run it of Rasberry Pi 5,
Hope this makes sense?
Im new to this miner, I was wondering if @sidehack you can help me understand about it,
There really is not proper guides on the net.
My plan is to plug this into a Rasberry 5, running a bitcoin node such as Start9orCitadel.
This way it be my own solo miner.
But Im not sure the software is compatible, if not running on node then maybe just run it of Rasberry Pi 5,
Hope this makes sense?
look into public pool if you'd like to mine to your own node/pool. pretty sure you can compile that locally if you have access to the terminal.
https://github.com/benjamin-wilson/public-pool
as for running the usb stick miner on the raspberry pi 5, while i don't have a Pi 5, i have mynode running on a pi 4/compac F. if you install tmux, you should be able to run the miner "in a separate window" that runs in the background.
Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
how do we check the power usage of the standard unit if we are running it via a raspberry pi or different computer? not sure how to read the terminal/command line results haha.
i got mine running yesterday, just wanted to confirm i was able to run the binaries for the Apollo II standard unit. i got it working on a $40 thinkpad 11e [it was a chromebook but i installed linux mint on it] so it should work on most setups.
i got mine running yesterday, just wanted to confirm i was able to run the binaries for the Apollo II standard unit. i got it working on a $40 thinkpad 11e [it was a chromebook but i installed linux mint on it] so it should work on most setups.
And all of us are lucky that Avalon / Canaan is shipping slowly if they were fast it would kill off all of the units above.
That’s a good point! You have to wonder why they are half-assing the sales. Is production just not ready yet? Is this a temporary, loss-leader product? Maybe a limited supply of chips? I guess we’ll find out. Margins have got to be razor thin with 10 chips in there.
I can assure you that none of the projects you listed are getting “killed off”. More like “super motivated” now.
I'm thinking it's more of a side project for them. They put together something neat and put it out there. If it sold great, if it didn't sell also great not a lot of time & money invested.
Remember they are a public company so they have to have some sort of justifiable reason for most expenditures.
They can also use it to gauge the potential sales for other projects. If there was not a demand they could say no more small miners. Now they know they can sell these, will they now start looking at some things that are a bit more powerful but still quiet and low power.
-Dave
yeah a 400-600-800 watt model doing 25 watts a th would be viable and pretty much have a strong hold on low power gear
I have played around with a lot of low power gear.
Since the first usb sticks of friedcat the nano 3 is hands down better at bang for the buck than anything on the market at this time.
Something like that is already in the wild from the Bitaxe crew. It's called the 0xAxe. Has 16 of the S19XP BM1366 chips and does 8 TH/s at 190W
Can't wait for the BM1368 version
https://twitter.com/Pmaxsd/status/1782458812609319217
https://twitter.com/Pmaxsd/status/1781638310319849583
Only selling the Avalon Nano 3 on a crowdfunding website is bullshit. I’m still waiting for my “February Delivery” unit to ship btw.
Full Disclosure: I’m the Bitaxe project instigator.
Full Disclosure: I’m the Bitaxe project instigator.
I do agree the delivery of nano 3 was slow as shit. But 4tb vs .5tb and 150 usd vs 250-299 usd it is not close.
Their product
fucked you
fucked sidehack
fucked Apollo II
And all of us are lucky that Avalon / Canaan is shipping slowly if they were fast it would kill off all of the units above.
Their price point crushes all of the above small miners.
Avalon really hurt small watt low power builders with the nano3
If the Avalon Nano 3 wasn't shit at the low end, it would be a lot better. Doesn't make sense to pay $200 after shipping to get 50-60W/TH. There's a lot of places where power is expensive so the axe makes more sense for that.
With the nano 3, on low you only get 1 TH/s. That's 2-3X the cost in electric. Also it's a pretty big device for only 1 TH. I do agree that of you wanna run 3-4 TH+ nothing beats the nano 3 but what's nice about the axe is that you're getting a miner that will be "competitive" efficiency wise for the next 2 epochs probably.
There's also new developments like the 0xAxe that have 16 chips, when the BM1368 version is ready to go, it'll push 10-15 TH/s for under 200W.
Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
Any update on releasing the miner binaries to run Apollo 2 Standard Units from an external PC? Sorry to be pushy, I am just eager to get my unit up and running 
I second this.
Thirding this I suppose. I thought it would work with the old script and I was just doing something wrong.
Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
For the standard unit - are the values when controlled via USB the same as the v1?
./apollo-miner -host us-east.stratum.slushpool.com -port 3333 -user jstefanop.x -pswd x -comport /dev/ttyACM0 -brd_ocp 48 -osc 30 -ao_mode 1
# Preset Values:
# ECO: -brd_ocp 48 -osc 30
# BALANCED: -brd_ocp 60 -osc 40
# TURBO: -brd_ocp 75 -osc 50
./apollo-miner -host us-east.stratum.slushpool.com -port 3333 -user jstefanop.x -pswd x -comport /dev/ttyACM0 -brd_ocp 48 -osc 30 -ao_mode 1
# Preset Values:
# ECO: -brd_ocp 48 -osc 30
# BALANCED: -brd_ocp 60 -osc 40
# TURBO: -brd_ocp 75 -osc 50
Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
Do we know what SBC the new Apollo II full node is running yet? I just got my standard unit today and wanted to get the same or similar SBC and compile the new OS on it vs using the binaries w/ linux mint or ubuntu
unit looks great jstefanop, thanks for dropping this.
unit looks great jstefanop, thanks for dropping this.
don’t like that you must use an app rather just log in. the log in does not have speed control
for my unit at least, you can actually change the fan speed in the root login actually. after you set up the device with the app, type in the IP in a web browser, [default password & username is root/root] and it's in the "configuration" tab towards the bottom of the screen.
i haven't used the app since the first day and all i used it for was to set the 'color' mode which can't be changed without the app.
Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
I have finally an apollo btc that started throwing random temps -100 +110 hash on hash off will this be a problem with temp sensing chip or the asics? want to know if i should solder a component on before i rip the heatsink off and man handle this thing with hot air and rubbing alcohol. was running for 2 days sucking 250w an not hashing my fault for not monitoring but haven't needed to really with these they usually just run hard/soft whatever. i still cant get better than 58w/th with a good hash rate if i want in the gh i can get real low like 29w/th @ 900gh
where is everyone?
where is everyone?
wait, you were able to clock the Apollo BTC gen 1 to 29W/TH @ 900 GH/s? that's pretty wild if so IMO, can you share what settings you were using?
Re: Announcing the FutureBit Apollo BTC - A Full Node/Mining Platform for the Home!
jstefanop, what is exact efficiency of the new miner?
Apollo gen1 is, as seen in my unit:
1962 GH/s @ 121 W (eco mode) = 16.21 GH/s per Watt
2438 GH/s @ 155 W (balanced mode) = 15.73 GH/s per Watt
Before I make the purchase, I need to know if efficiency is any better? What are the numbers? Website is not clear about this. Thanks!
Apollo gen1 is, as seen in my unit:
1962 GH/s @ 121 W (eco mode) = 16.21 GH/s per Watt
2438 GH/s @ 155 W (balanced mode) = 15.73 GH/s per Watt
Before I make the purchase, I need to know if efficiency is any better? What are the numbers? Website is not clear about this. Thanks!
I just wrote them an e-mail, probably will get answer quicker that way. But upon further inspection of the website, I found this screenshot on product page:
direct link to image
This shows:
2970 GH/s @ 202W = 14.70 GH/s per Watt
14.70 GH/s per Watt? That's even worse efficiency than Apollo gen 1 miner. This looks like a mistake, Apollo 1 turbo mode screenshot instead, not a new miner, which claims double the efficiency (in one of the other screenshots).
the have all the information on their home page: futurebit.io
the new unit runs at 28W per TH/s.
~6 TH/s @ 175W
Has a 450W integrated PSU
Can ramp up to a louder ~10TH/s
https://i.postimg.cc/hGtP301j/image.png
IMO this thing is no joke. even the bitaxe's which use the BM1366 chips run around 24-26W/TH. The fact that you can get 6TH/s up and running plug and play is gonna be a game changer. hopefully with time we'll be able to unlock even lower efficiency levels.
just wonder what SBC they went with for the full nodes this time. I ordered a standard unit & prob gonna flash the new OS to one & make a 'diy' full node.
major thanks to futurebit squad for the discount for previous customers, extremely competitively priced especially for residential grade miners.
Re: The bitaxeUltra: Open source Bitcoin miner based on the BM1366 ASIC
i picked 2 of these up from opensourceminer.com at $125 each. the performance is extremely impressive and the set up was pretty brainless too. insane work.
Re: mmpool.org - 1.5% fee DGM/PPS - tx fees/vardiff/merge mine/tor
So mmpool.org is just totally offline and that's all ?
So now we have no way of knowing what's happening with the pretended reimbursements, lawsuits and the rest of the story? We're not talking about a few pennies lying around at the bottom of a car ashtray!
So now we have no way of knowing what's happening with the pretended reimbursements, lawsuits and the rest of the story? We're not talking about a few pennies lying around at the bottom of a car ashtray!
sure seems like it.
this whole thing is wild. feels like maybe the pool & all credentials were hacked at some point after the last payout or the pool operator exit scammed and begged for donations at the last second. The way the operator was egging on ctya seems straight up predatory and the begging for donations at the end seems like a classic scammer move. at least no one donated
https://mempool.space/address/bc1qxaaymhtsvtwg3a5shf370h72kqs68cwale5pxj