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[Since this e-mail will get removed pretty quickly by the devs, feel free to copy and paste it in all the places suitable.]
Hello guys,
as many members of this community, I have lost significant amount of BTC (more than 18 BTC) as a result of so called HEAT ICO, which was based on false statements.
In recent months I've been looking for legal assistance regarding that matter, and thanks to the help of some kind people, I have found the solution.
One might argue whether organisers of the ICO had malicious intentions or not, but from legal point of view this is irrelevant, as only one thing matters - legality of creating such ICO in Finnish jurisdiction in 2016 the way it was held is doubtful at least.
I am about to conduct legal action against organisers of the Heat coin ICO back in 2016 and I am looking for others willing to participate.
The plan is to submit proper documents to both FIN-FSA (Finnish regulatory body) to investigate the Heat Ledger LTD and people behind it while pararelly initiate legal action. Bottomline is: while Finland has regulatury laws for crypto since May 2019, the way the ICO in 2016 was handled makes HEAT coin a security, which is illegal activity under the 2016 non-crypto specific regulations. The goal is to have FIN-FSA initiate proper investigation and based on it's results act accordingly in court.
I will provide details via PM.
E-mail me here:
heat_lawsuit@crapmail.org
(yup, temporary e-mail forwarding, will contact you from my real mail)
You can apply till mid-June.
What you need to know:
- you need to have access to the address that you used to participate in the ICO (in other words, you need to be able to prove you have sent BTC towards the ICO)
- it is irrelevant how many HEAT coins you are holding now, what is important how many BTCs you have sent towards their addresses during the ICO
- you will need to reveal your real name and surname for the purpose (and confirm it at a later stage), however there is no need to travel to Finland or any other place
- you will not have to pay anything to be part of the legal action beforehand, although I have agreed with the representative that they will tak 15% of the retrieved funds as the rewards, also after you successfully recover your founds I will appreciate donation for myself for conducting the whole thing, however it is not necessary
- yeah, you need to be patient, since both FIN-FSA investigation and lawsuit will take some time, but history proves that such actions tend to be succesful, but one needs to be patient
Hello guys,
as many members of this community, I have lost significant amount of BTC (more than 18 BTC) as a result of so called HEAT ICO, which was based on false statements.
In recent months I've been looking for legal assistance regarding that matter, and thanks to the help of some kind people, I have found the solution.
One might argue whether organisers of the ICO had malicious intentions or not, but from legal point of view this is irrelevant, as only one thing matters - legality of creating such ICO in Finnish jurisdiction in 2016 the way it was held is doubtful at least.
I am about to conduct legal action against organisers of the Heat coin ICO back in 2016 and I am looking for others willing to participate.
The plan is to submit proper documents to both FIN-FSA (Finnish regulatory body) to investigate the Heat Ledger LTD and people behind it while pararelly initiate legal action. Bottomline is: while Finland has regulatury laws for crypto since May 2019, the way the ICO in 2016 was handled makes HEAT coin a security, which is illegal activity under the 2016 non-crypto specific regulations. The goal is to have FIN-FSA initiate proper investigation and based on it's results act accordingly in court.
I will provide details via PM.
E-mail me here:
heat_lawsuit@crapmail.org
(yup, temporary e-mail forwarding, will contact you from my real mail)
You can apply till mid-June.
What you need to know:
- you need to have access to the address that you used to participate in the ICO (in other words, you need to be able to prove you have sent BTC towards the ICO)
- it is irrelevant how many HEAT coins you are holding now, what is important how many BTCs you have sent towards their addresses during the ICO
- you will need to reveal your real name and surname for the purpose (and confirm it at a later stage), however there is no need to travel to Finland or any other place
- you will not have to pay anything to be part of the legal action beforehand, although I have agreed with the representative that they will tak 15% of the retrieved funds as the rewards, also after you successfully recover your founds I will appreciate donation for myself for conducting the whole thing, however it is not necessary
- yeah, you need to be patient, since both FIN-FSA investigation and lawsuit will take some time, but history proves that such actions tend to be succesful, but one needs to be patient
Devs, you might have misjudged in your initial opinion. There is nothing bad in changing your initial plan and do the good thing to do - allow current CDT holders from the white list to send them back for reimbursement if they wish to. Otherwise that is simple scam. Look, almost everyone in the community wants this. Even most of the people who were not on the white list because they understand this is the only way to make the project survive.
It is really simple - just set the smart contract that sends ETH to everyone who sends CDT into it. When those who want to use the contract do it, you can continue the development of the project (and send CDT to people who were promised it like bounty hunters or people who sent to the hacker address). This way you are sure that there wont be any absurd because only people who already own the CDT will be able to use the contract. And do it quick because the longer you wait the worse it is for the project.
I`m sure that all investors will get their tokens.Does not matter to which address they sent money,if devs are serious with this project,you will get your tokens,and only people who will lose their money are the developers.
Sure, and u found Bamby in the forest.
Is not token, we wanna possibility to choose. Many in the The whitelist wanna back ETH.
Some do want a refund, some do not, but everyone must have a choice and if for whatever reason they do note provide token holders that they are done.
If they ignore this you have a proof they are total scammers.
I totally agree with the below statement. If you have time to read only one post here, you should definitely read that one.
To summarize
1. There are two groups of people here. One is people who invested in the white contract (through white list, because they were selected from the community, or because the got the ICO address from someone else). Second group is people who got scammed (because they trusted the Slackbot and send on the wrong address or because they have used wrong address provided by hacker on the hacked webiste, without even checking if it is contract address and not wallet address).
2. Yes, devs had poor security of both Slack and website. But scammed people didn't even check when they are sending the funds.
3. Devs decided to be kind enough to send free tokens even to those people who were vistims of the scams (I understand only the website scam, not the Slack scam, but who knows). Also the people who sent the ETH to the right address might have an option to send their tokens back and get refunded (probably only some people will use this possibility, the rest will not).
Situation is really simple. This mess could be fixed in matter of hours. Scammed people would be grateful that despite they deserved nothing for their mistake of not checking where they are sengidn, they would be sending token anyway. And white list people who sent the coins to the right address would feel secure that if they want they can keep the coins or return them (preferably for a limited time). Devs can either destroy those coins or issue another round of sale, whichever they prefer. Everyone is happy, confidence in project rises. Of course some trolls are trying to make a chaos here. And devs for unknown reason are not communicating with the community instead of simply implement the above solution, which is the only fair and natural solution here. Let's hope they will fix this ASAP and we can move on to actual development of the project.
1. There are two groups of people here. One is people who invested in the white contract (through white list, because they were selected from the community, or because the got the ICO address from someone else). Second group is people who got scammed (because they trusted the Slackbot and send on the wrong address or because they have used wrong address provided by hacker on the hacked webiste, without even checking if it is contract address and not wallet address).
2. Yes, devs had poor security of both Slack and website. But scammed people didn't even check when they are sending the funds.
3. Devs decided to be kind enough to send free tokens even to those people who were vistims of the scams (I understand only the website scam, not the Slack scam, but who knows). Also the people who sent the ETH to the right address might have an option to send their tokens back and get refunded (probably only some people will use this possibility, the rest will not).
Situation is really simple. This mess could be fixed in matter of hours. Scammed people would be grateful that despite they deserved nothing for their mistake of not checking where they are sengidn, they would be sending token anyway. And white list people who sent the coins to the right address would feel secure that if they want they can keep the coins or return them (preferably for a limited time). Devs can either destroy those coins or issue another round of sale, whichever they prefer. Everyone is happy, confidence in project rises. Of course some trolls are trying to make a chaos here. And devs for unknown reason are not communicating with the community instead of simply implement the above solution, which is the only fair and natural solution here. Let's hope they will fix this ASAP and we can move on to actual development of the project.
It's not fucking rocket science lol. let me get in the driving seat if you're incapable of sorting this out.
1) Get your shitty little community managers to be active in times like these. Social media, blogs, aswell as forums. Investors need reassurance, our questions answered, and quite frankly your community team need to do their work.
2) Set up a smart contract where whitelist participants send their CDT tokens to get their ETH back. After all, it's their ETH, so give them the option and provide it to the rightful owners. It's only fair in this sort of situation.
3) BURN all CDT tokens that have been refunded.
4) Minimise your dev fund, and provide extra bonuses to those who sent it to the fake address. With the extra bonus aswell as the burning of the tokens, this will help weight out the negatives and hopefully provide a stable, if not, profitable outcome for those holding CDT.
5) Fire your security team.
6) Stop being so greedy and listen to your community, without your investors you'd be nothing.
-- You want to re-gain trust? Stop holding innocent peoples ETH and do the bullet points listed and work from there.
SIMPLE.
QUOTE THIS IF YOU AGREE.
1) Get your shitty little community managers to be active in times like these. Social media, blogs, aswell as forums. Investors need reassurance, our questions answered, and quite frankly your community team need to do their work.
2) Set up a smart contract where whitelist participants send their CDT tokens to get their ETH back. After all, it's their ETH, so give them the option and provide it to the rightful owners. It's only fair in this sort of situation.
3) BURN all CDT tokens that have been refunded.
4) Minimise your dev fund, and provide extra bonuses to those who sent it to the fake address. With the extra bonus aswell as the burning of the tokens, this will help weight out the negatives and hopefully provide a stable, if not, profitable outcome for those holding CDT.
5) Fire your security team.
6) Stop being so greedy and listen to your community, without your investors you'd be nothing.
-- You want to re-gain trust? Stop holding innocent peoples ETH and do the bullet points listed and work from there.
SIMPLE.
QUOTE THIS IF YOU AGREE.
Stupid devs! You should do exactly as this user says and then hire him as your new PR person. In times Like this they are ignoring the community? And the whitelist reimbursement token should be already set up! Move your asses!
refund the whitelist immediately!
I like that one below the most. Didn't know you can paint text like this on Bitcointalk.
Refund the whitelist immediately!
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Refund the whitelist immediately!
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Refund the whitelist immediately!
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Refund the whitelist immediately!
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Refund the whitelist immediately!
Guys we hope to receive deep understanding today about the way the hacker succeeded to bypass our site security, as soon as we will get those final answers we will deliver them to you.
Make no mistakes we are devastated by the lost of funds however we still got enough ETH to produce a great project. The most important thing for us to do now is gain the community trust again. We are devoted now more then ever to do whatever it takes to secure your contribution and compensate everyone that participate. We need you to help us do that.
we are going to give everyone their CDT tokens. how when and where will be out as soon as we figure out all the details. There are many options how to do it and it is something that needs to be executed carefully, we do not want to do things quick now and be sorry later.
There are forms going around collecting all of your contribution details, please help us get those forms as quickly as possible so we can continue the process. As those google forms are controlled by few members on the team from different time zones the have different urls but they are effectively the same one.
Thanks
if you want to regain trust as you typed in the post above you should start with refunding the whitelist immediately! No excuses!
No communication here. Very unprofessional.
"patnership" and "advisor" drop fast...
Smith + Crown previously and informally advised CoinDash. We do not have a financial relationship with CoinDash, and are not official or unofficial advisors in any capacity.
Refund the whitelist immediately!
Everyone should set this as their signature!
I would like to know a little bit more about the nature of the hack. Are you guys considering allowing someone outside your network to look at the server logs? I think it is important that a neutral party examines things. I am not pointing fingers, I am just saying we need more information.
Dude, there was no hack. They simply posted that address here by themselves. Thay way they got 7 million in their pocket. Otherwise those 7 million would be company funds and they would need to use it for the company not for themselves. Like someone said - there was no hack unless it is proven there was one. And the logs and info they will release today are not a proof of the hack since they can doctor it by themsellves. Also they haven't refudned whitelsit yet.
Why the delays with refunding the whitelist? Just refund them and move on with the project. Every hour delay you are losing your credibility.
Refund the whitelist immediately!
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Them delaying the whitelist refund is really worrying. They should ASAP fix this refund whoever wants it Otherwise they are undermining their own project and making it worse for the investors who want to keep the token.
Tokens are totally worthless when all the whitelist funds are paid back. At least there still is a chance that they can create a working product with the 6 mil USD funding..
You are assuming that everyone will use the refund option which is not True. Bancor was a Good example. Only about 10% coins refunded. The rest decided to keep. Despite people
Were angry initiallyz
Why the delays with refunding the whitelist? Just refund them and move on with the project. Every hour delay you are losing your credibility.
Refund the whitelist immediately!
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I totally agreed with refund the whitelist with ETH they sent.
The whitelist contributors are clear to be ligit contributors CoinDash team received and holding ETH from whitelist contributors.
You should give their a chance like they they gave you a chance for an ICO.
I will never trust this project any more. You can't secure the ICO page who will trust you to hold their money?
The whitelist contributors are clear to be ligit contributors CoinDash team received and holding ETH from whitelist contributors.
You should give their a chance like they they gave you a chance for an ICO.
I will never trust this project any more. You can't secure the ICO page who will trust you to hold their money?
Well, its obvious they will be refunding whitelist today. If not we are sure this was an obvious scam. Good team would have already done it. What are they waiting for?
If they are legitimate enough they should refund whitelist who needed them ETH back. I'm in the whitelist and sent on correct address and received CDT tokens already. But I totally lost my faith in this project already I need my fund back. I'm on Twitter,Slack,Telegram to tell them about this and look like they ignored my suggestion.
The problem here is many people think they are not legitimte. Why would they delay possibility to get a refunded for that long? It is matter of simply setting the contract refund address. There is a chance they will try to deley the solution even further. If this is the case feel free to quote this post.
Latest team post in slack.
ram [10:11 PM]
Guys we hope to receive deep understanding today about the way the hacker succeeded to bypass our site security, as soon as we will get those final answers we will deliver them to you.
There are forms going around collecting all of your contribution details, please help us get those forms as quickly as possible so we can continue the process. As those google forms are controlled by few members on the team from different time zones the have different urls but they are effectively the same one. Thanks
ram [10:11 PM]
Guys we hope to receive deep understanding today about the way the hacker succeeded to bypass our site security, as soon as we will get those final answers we will deliver them to you.
There are forms going around collecting all of your contribution details, please help us get those forms as quickly as possible so we can continue the process. As those google forms are controlled by few members on the team from different time zones the have different urls but they are effectively the same one. Thanks
Scammers! Refund the whitelisted people first. Then you can try explaining what happened. First things first. You have all the data needed. Why the devs have disappeared from Bitcointalk and the ETH are still not refunded to the whitelisted people? Do this ASAP!
Refund the whitelist now you scammers!
Yes, what is delaying them? This should be done immediately.
Bancor is Good comparison. They experience ddos attack, ICO went wrong but they immediately issued refunds to people who wanted it. Not after few days but immediately. This is how they show they are legit and only some people decided to go for a full refund, almost everyone kept the tokens. Coindash should be equally honest and act FAsT. Right now they disappered, No reaponses here.
Only explanations for the delay of the whitelist refund is that they are thinking how to not do it and not get arrested. Devs refund the people who want it ASAP and move to the next phase of the project.
I'm telling you, if they don't even engage in dialogue about refunding the whitelisters eth it was an inside job.
Lets give them couple of hour for the whitelist refund. If they postpone it to some other day then it isbpriven scam. Remember there was ni hack until proven Otherwise. Stop spreading rumours about the hack. All what we have seen was fake address on the site that migh as Well be put there by the devs.
I totally agreed with refund the whitelist with ETH they sent.
The whitelist contributors are clear to be ligit contributors CoinDash team received and holding ETH from whitelist contributors.
You should give their a chance like they they gave you a chance for an ICO.
I will never trust this project any more. You can't secure the ICO page who will trust you to hold their money?
The whitelist contributors are clear to be ligit contributors CoinDash team received and holding ETH from whitelist contributors.
You should give their a chance like they they gave you a chance for an ICO.
I will never trust this project any more. You can't secure the ICO page who will trust you to hold their money?
Well, its obvious they will be refunding whitelist today. If not we are sure this was an obvious scam. Good team would have already done it. What are they waiting for?