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Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open
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jshow5555
on 16/11/2014, 03:12:43 UTC
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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 13/08/2014, 20:08:29 UTC

Hi ORA developers and supporters!

I like the current ORA price!

I will like it even more when you give all us dumpers, the extra stake we truly deserve!

Then I will be able to re-buy my stake at 0.001 NXT or  less.



Cheers.
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Re: Coins To take seriously:
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jshow5555
on 13/08/2014, 18:59:32 UTC
I'll also chime in for BitShares.  When I first heard about 'Protoshares' - I was skeptical.  However, I've been researching and following this development for the past 10 months, daily; and am completely blown away.  This platform is the bitcoin killer, and I don't say that lightly.  Think of any problem any other crypto has, and I'd challenge you to find out if its not solved through the BitShares platform.

The 3 MAJOR issues I believe BitShares has solved are:
  • Transaction times - 10 seconds. On the dot. No more of this 10 minute confirmation [ON AVERAGE!] B.S.
  • More decentralized than bitcoin by orders of magnitude - there are what, 5 mining pools?  BitShares secures the network through DPOS (delegated proof of stake), through 101 delegates that are elected.  You choose the good guys, the bad actors simply cannot sustain their efforts. [also a hat tip to the US founding fathers...1776]
  • Volatility - With the coming advent of user-pegged asset markets; one can store their value, cryptographically, in an asset that has relatively low volatility in comparison to bitcoin (i.e. the US Dollar - this will be 'bitUSD')

BitShares is your 'savings' to your bitcoin 'checking' and MUCH MUCH more.  I cannot say enough good things about the core team and their efforts as well.  Good people doing it for the right reasons, not hiding behind pseudonyms, because they don't need to.

Further:
- inherently anonymous transactions on REGISTERED account names instead of ugly addresses
- atomic cross chain trading
- user assets and market pegged assets
- open source toolkit which already allows easy-to-setup altshares
- have I mentioned dividends getting payed to shareholders?

Oh man, this platform has that much awesome features it's impossible to see all the possible outcomes of that scheme .. just read the white paper of bitshares VOTE and you will see what I mean!!

I agree. I find myself everyday selling some of my other positions to buy more into the Bitshares system.
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Re: Namespaces DAC - BitShares-PTS Snapshot date 21st Aug
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jshow5555
on 13/08/2014, 17:14:24 UTC
To the moderator: Sorry, please move this to the altcoin announcement section if this is the wrong area.

I've just seen this announced on the BitShares forums..

The Decentralized Namespace Service   https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6509


Domain names and identities. The secure alternative to todays domain name system that eliminates domain name squatting while providing security against government seizures, man-in-the-middle attacks.



Announcing the Decentralized Namespace Service - get your share by holding PTS before the end of August 21st

Featuring:

.p2p  - .bit killer and DNS cash cow
KeyID - replacing usernames everywhere

Enabling services like

Browsing .p2p websites - no spying, no seizures!
"SignIn with KeyID" - think google/facebook signin only MORE SECURE. OUTRAGEOUSLY SECURE if the website is a .p2p site.
"KeyMail"  -  more on this later... will be a critical piece of infrastructure for BTS ecosystem as a whole


Features ready NOW (test net incoming):
* .p2p Punishing Throttled Auction (with hard-coded throttle) for initial distribution  -  more on this later
* .p2p Sell/Buy embedded market
* .p2p TITAN transfers
* KeyID "points" with upburn/downburn  - how much money will people spend adjusting a meaningless number associated with their account? Probably a bunch!
* Everything in the toolkit except Markets - *maybe* we will add BitUSD far in the future

Features ready at launch at end of august (hopefully, it's just a goal):
* Punishing auction throttle size set by delegates, with fallback to fixed rate
* .p2p "offers" - put up bids before a domain is for sale or before it even exists. Not everyone wants to risk the Punishing Auction.
* SignIn with KeyID  -  we can already do this with ID-to-ID but we want to be able to do ID-to-.p2p because then you can check the site you are logging in to is who you think it is

Features ready after launch:
* DNS servers / browser plugins / "invisible" clients  -  seamless browsing experience
* DNS delegates that act as smart oracles for other decentralized application platforms - ethereum, ripple, etc... KeyID usernames *all over crypto land*.

Allocation:

1bn to AGS
1bn to PTS
1bn MYSTERY sharedrops onto other crypto. Targets might include BTC, NMC, NXT, ETH (snapshot using presale), PPC. They will likely be scaled so that they all give the same price per DNS and all have the same price *disadvantage* compared to PTS - this is why I feel OK not disclosing the exact allocation yet.. UP TO 100m of the sharedrop *might* be reserved for backpay and bounties but I fear the consequences of perceived unfairness and so I'll probably try to avoid this.

7bn delegate subsidy, about 45% of the pool paid out per year.

Delegate subsidy equation (assuming 10 second blocks):
     block_pay = delegate_subsidy_remaining / 5000000
So the *maximum* number of new tokens created after T years is given by:
     7000000000 - (7000000000 * (1 - 1/5000000)^((3153600)*T))
(there are 3153600 blocks per year)


Watch out for:
* PAID positions for content creation and development (web, core client, and DNS infrastructure)
* Instructions for migrating Keyhotee and BTSX names

(There is also another BitShare-PTS snapshot on the same date (The VOTE DAC) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721082.0)

The announcement is outdated I believe. Please fix it FandangledGizmo.

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Re: FollowMyVote // BitShares Vote
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jshow5555
on 13/08/2014, 17:10:54 UTC
Is this DAC a pure public service, or is it meant to operate at a profit?

Every Dac that is using Bitshare is meant to operate as a profit for the shareholders

Can you explain how this one will accomplish this goal?
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Re: DUAL snapshot for BitShares PTS!
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jshow5555
on 13/08/2014, 16:16:49 UTC
I can see PTS go through the roof Smiley

To be totally honest, I was the guy that started advocating Ora to use Bitshares technology. As Bitshares DPOS is the leading crypto technology today, imo. What is surprising to me is that even people in the crypto space have hard time understanding its value (read ORA developers). On the other hand the people that once 'get it' are turned into true believers. Example: The asking price for PTS today is almost 2 times more than what you would have get if you donated to AGS just a moth ago. And the people are still increasing their PTS holdings at those price levels.

...and I do not blame them!

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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 09/08/2014, 15:34:52 UTC
Also a suggestion. If we are definitely going to give some extra ora to 1st stake holders, why dont we just concentrate on that first, make a decision and distribute away. Putting everything in 1 plate will cause a mess. My honest opinion.


We could break the issue into smaller chunks. If we do give existing stakeholders a top-up then we need to decide:
- how much of the left-over stakes we give them
- who is eligible

IMO if someone was on the original list they were a stakeholder, and if they dumped that was their choice, and their right as an ORA stakeholder, and it's ok with me.

You're not a 'bad guy' if you dumped your stake, and if it let another guy buy ORA who valued them more, then that's the advantage & efficiency of a market mechanism, and I welcome that - it's a win win!

I'm not in favour of carrot & stick incentives to try and make people hold. I want voluntary hodl'ing, and the free market can give us that. If some people instantly dump the top-up, then some other people will buy it, no problem. just don't worry about the price.

I think if we try and exclude original stakeholders based on whether they sold or not we set a bad precedent and it will come back to haunt us. If I choose to go and live overseas should I relinquish my citizenship? No, of course not, my nationality was my birthright, and nobody can take it from me. NXT had 73 stakeholders, QORA had 137, and ORA had ~880! There aren't good stakeholders & bad stakeholders, just rational people making their own decision. That's freedom, and I like it!

It might sound silly, but our initial stakeholder list was based on an honest & fair process, and we should be proud of that, and we shouldn't discriminate against ANY stakeholders who exercised their free choice and sold.

Sockpuppets, if identified, are another story though, and we should eject them if the evidence is conclusive.

I support this. Once we are done with this, we can fully concentrate on the idea of new distribution via video submissions. Getting very impatient with the video idea. That will be a very fun process.  Grin

Edit: current status as of now (not a confirmation) from nxtreporting, 701 is still holding. So rough calculation 125/825 has sold off. Now does that make a huge difference or impact?

It doesn't change my opinion, but that's just me.

If anybody strongly disagrees with me (you think dumpers should NOT get a top-up, or there should be some minimum hodl amount), SPEAK UP!

I might be wrong, and you might be right ... convince me Smiley

I totally disagree with this line of thinking!

1. I have explained here why there should be no additional stake for those that dumped their initial stake:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=620518.msg8114020#msg8114020

2. You said that this will be decided by voting. Obviously the stakeholders that vote will not vote to give stake to the dumpers. You must be fully aware of that.

3. I will tell you what I will do if you insist on this non-sense approach and try to convince everybody this is the way to go (even worst if you decide it without voting). I will sell my stake before all those dumpers. Why - I will get a better price if I sell before them. When they got their new stake they will dump driving the price even lower. Then I can re-evaluate, and decide if I want back in at those extra low prices, or if the decision was made from the top (i.e. no vote) - just stay out.

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Re: Best Alt coin to invest in 2014
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jshow5555
on 06/08/2014, 05:47:07 UTC


ORA is a great buy right now.

I am really split between 7-8 pretty good choices!

ORA,QORA, BTSX and NXT leading the pack in my estimation. But I change my favorites on almost daily bases....
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Re: BitShares PTS (formerly ProtoShares) Cheat Sheet | CPU Mining
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jshow5555
on 06/08/2014, 05:40:55 UTC

Actually, I think the Chinese community is pretty disappointed in the proposed DAC’s .Not in the DAC’s themselves but in the proposed inflationary model.
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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
by
jshow5555
on 31/07/2014, 06:31:04 UTC
i think the market is waiting for news from dev.

The current price is very reasonable but it will easily 10x if any good news released from dev team.


I'm primarily interested in what is going to go on with the additional stakes, how voting will work, and if people sell their coin at all, will they get any future stakes or not.

I still have mine (actually assume I do, didn't check if it arrived yet), but if the coin does hit a decent price, it'd be nice to know if I should hold or wait for a vote on the rest of the coins.

If we do end up giving the original stakeholders a top up from the left over stakes I think our only option is to use the original stakeholder list. If somebody chose to sell their stake early it doesn't change the fact that they were an original stakeholder. If a non-stakeholder buys a lot of ORA assets before the vote it doesn't change the fact that they weren't an original stakeholder.

My understanding of the NXT voting system is ALL ORA asset holders would be eligible to vote, even people who weren't original stakeholders but bought ORA on the NXT AE from early sellers.

Obviously someone's attitude to the left over stakes issue will be heavily influenced by whether they were an original stakeholder or not. If lots of non-stakeholders buy up dumped ORA assets I would assume they'll be less inclined to vote to give the original stakeholders a top up, and they'd be more inclined to vote for more bounties, or a second round of registrations. I might be wrong about that, but that seems logical.

It is possible to set some conditions on which asset holders can vote (e.g. how large their ORA balance is using the 'Balance threshold parameter'), but I'm not expert in the NXT voting system by any means. I'm still uncertain when the NXT voting system goes live.

My opinion is if somebody dumps early then they will probably weaken their chance of getting a top up, and if somebody buys ORA with 'valuable' NXT, then the ORA collective is swapping a less committed person, for a potentially more committed one, and I want to encourage committed people to join ORA and contribute wherever I can.

It would be nice to be able to vote asap, but we don't have any control over when the NXT voting system goes live.


Giving a new free stake to the people who dumped their first free stake is something that is totally illogical. Why give them extra coins? To sell them again at first chance!


You can do two other things instead:

-Top up (as you call it) all original stakeholders who keep at least 166,666 Oras.

-Give the free shares to all current holders of Ora. I do not think those who did not own originally, but paid for their shares are less valuable, then the original owners. You can make additional modification to this to better serve your needs. (1.5 new stakes for original accounts with more than 166,666 coins and 1 new stake for new accounts with same amount or more)


On a semi-side note, if you decide to distribute the left over stake (or let’s say 50% of it) to current holders you can do it automatically as a dividend. Less work and fair as explained above.


There's some interesting suggestions here. We can set a balance requirement to prevent original stakeholders who dumped too heavily voting, but I'd be cautious of creating an incentive for non-stakeholders to buy up now in the hope that they would become eligible for any 'top up'. I think a bit of volatility in the day-to-day price attracts day traders which can give ORA more exposure, so that's a good thing, but I don't want to create a massive pump, as that would cause a subsequent crash. We don't want that IMO. Day trading yes, pump & dump no.

In less than 24 hours we've had 175 trades on the NXT AE. That is fantastic! ORA is the 15th most traded NXT asset, and we've been listed for about a day! We can expect some volatility as the market judges our progress, and that'll encourage day trading, and trading gives us lots of exposure, but a massive artificial surge in demand from people looking for a quick 'top up' will only lead to an equally massive dump. Let's avoid that if we can!

I'm just one opinion, and setting a minimum threshold for the vote is a good idea, but I think the original stakeholder list is what we're voting on. People who bought in after the first distribution were not original stakeholders, and maybe we can give them some reward in another way, but we should avoid a massive surge in demand from people seeking to get a 'top up' from the left over stakes.

edit: remember, I'm just another opinion, so if you think I'm wrong speak up. If most disagree with me, then my opinion loses! That is the ORA way Smiley

I can see your points.

My main thing is that original stakeholders that did nothing more for the community and/ or Ora, other than get their stake and sell it, as fast as they can, are not of any value.

And we should avoid giving them additional stakes to do nothing with those new stakes, but sell them as fast as they can.

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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 31/07/2014, 05:31:09 UTC
i think the market is waiting for news from dev.

The current price is very reasonable but it will easily 10x if any good news released from dev team.


I'm primarily interested in what is going to go on with the additional stakes, how voting will work, and if people sell their coin at all, will they get any future stakes or not.

I still have mine (actually assume I do, didn't check if it arrived yet), but if the coin does hit a decent price, it'd be nice to know if I should hold or wait for a vote on the rest of the coins.

If we do end up giving the original stakeholders a top up from the left over stakes I think our only option is to use the original stakeholder list. If somebody chose to sell their stake early it doesn't change the fact that they were an original stakeholder. If a non-stakeholder buys a lot of ORA assets before the vote it doesn't change the fact that they weren't an original stakeholder.

My understanding of the NXT voting system is ALL ORA asset holders would be eligible to vote, even people who weren't original stakeholders but bought ORA on the NXT AE from early sellers.

Obviously someone's attitude to the left over stakes issue will be heavily influenced by whether they were an original stakeholder or not. If lots of non-stakeholders buy up dumped ORA assets I would assume they'll be less inclined to vote to give the original stakeholders a top up, and they'd be more inclined to vote for more bounties, or a second round of registrations. I might be wrong about that, but that seems logical.

It is possible to set some conditions on which asset holders can vote (e.g. how large their ORA balance is using the 'Balance threshold parameter'), but I'm not expert in the NXT voting system by any means. I'm still uncertain when the NXT voting system goes live.

My opinion is if somebody dumps early then they will probably weaken their chance of getting a top up, and if somebody buys ORA with 'valuable' NXT, then the ORA collective is swapping a less committed person, for a potentially more committed one, and I want to encourage committed people to join ORA and contribute wherever I can.

It would be nice to be able to vote asap, but we don't have any control over when the NXT voting system goes live.


Giving a new free stake to the people who dumped their first free stake is something that is totally illogical. Why give them extra coins? To sell them again at first chance!


You can do two other things instead:

-Top up (as you call it) all original stakeholders who keep at least 166,666 Oras.

-Give the free shares to all current holders of Ora. I do not think those who did not own originally, but paid for their shares are less valuable, then the original owners. You can make additional modification to this to better serve your needs. (1.5 new stakes for original accounts with more than 166,666 coins and 1 new stake for new accounts with same amount or more)


On a semi-side note, if you decide to distribute the left over stake (or let’s say 50% of it) to current holders you can do it automatically as a dividend. Less work and fair as explained above.


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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 30/07/2014, 19:11:24 UTC


To the attention of all those eager to make $ 60- $70 on their ORA stake.

The rumor is that the undistributed free stakes will most likely be distributed to current ORA holders!

And not to the one that dumped  their stake at first chance for next to nothing!

Do not expect us to vote for anything else!

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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 30/07/2014, 08:21:33 UTC
Very obvious some of you are not reading the thread and just jumping on the last 1 or 2 threads. I recommend spend some time reading what is happening. Dont just jump into your own conclusion. All the answers to your questions have been answered in the previois posts. Read before question.

It is kind of easier to put the important info in the OP, instead of expecting everybody to read 80 pages of thread...

But if you think it is our fault sure, it is... if you say so.
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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 29/07/2014, 17:15:05 UTC
many people ask the price
ok,i think the price maybe very low than you think
1.No wallt
2.community is not strong
3.qora's cap is low
also i want to say we have to change the rule
1.the left stake should distribution like this, 30% for reopen,30% for development(website, wallet, design,marketing.....).20% for giveaway,20% for a fund
2.copy the BTS code because BTS have a strong community and DPOS is better than POS QORA even not decide when to release the resources .ORA  maybe the first BTS clone because BM will help us.
3.We also need marketing people to make people notice that ora is different

On the Bitshares front I agree, after all I am the one that suggesting it both in this thread and also on their forum.
This makes you suggestion for the left over stakes impossible though, as they (Bitshares) expect min 20% of all coins distributed to their supporters. Which is doable and there still will be a lot of left over free stakes for whatever Ora decides.
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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 29/07/2014, 17:14:01 UTC

Actually it looks like I got the numbers wrong - see here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=620518.msg8044522#msg8044522
1billion total coins for Ora.

50M to 1 Billion ... big difference.

And will there be one round of stakes, or two? Again, curious what we may be getting and max coins, but that seems difficult to figure out with the various numbers being thrown around. Probably useful for the devs to clear that up, just so when people start selling this they have an idea as to valuation.

Using Qora or Nem as a basis could make sense, assuming we know max coins + how many rounds of stakes there are.

Totally agree!
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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 29/07/2014, 16:49:43 UTC
what is the expected price at launch and two days after. Any guess?

I think in the long term 1000 sat is not impossible. It's a long shot but not impossible. Realistically, in the days/weeks following the launch, I think we should be very happy if we're able to maintain the value above 50 sat. That's taking into account dumping which will automatically ensue as soon as the price rises.
But let's wait and see, we'll only have an idea of the number of weak hands in our midst once trading is live.

That's pretty low, imho. Qora has 10 billion coins, Ora 50 million. For same capitalization it means 200x higher price. So about 4000 sat.
 => so I would expect a min of 1000 sat. to start with.  

If it's 50M coins, that means each person is getting around 60K each (at 811 stakeholders)? I admit I'm a bit confused, as I'm seeing different numbers being thrown around.

1000 as a starting point seems fair figuring in capitalization. 1000-4000 is very possible then. Although we need to keep in mind dumpers. Then again, NEM did quite well and seemed to avoid cheap dumps.

Actually it looks like I got the numbers wrong - see here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=620518.msg8044522#msg8044522
1billion total coins for Ora.
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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 29/07/2014, 16:26:12 UTC
what is the expected price at launch and two days after. Any guess?

I think in the long term 1000 sat is not impossible. It's a long shot but not impossible. Realistically, in the days/weeks following the launch, I think we should be very happy if we're able to maintain the value above 50 sat. That's taking into account dumping which will automatically ensue as soon as the price rises.
But let's wait and see, we'll only have an idea of the number of weak hands in our midst once trading is live.

That's pretty low, imho. Qora has 10 billion coins, Ora 50 million. For same capitalization it means 200x higher price. So about 4000 sat.
 => so I would expect a min of 1000 sat. to start with. 
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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 27/07/2014, 21:41:52 UTC


Here is my Grand plan how to make ORA the best coin out there.

And do that fast, cheap and with all the promised features. Add to that the fairest distribution we already have and you have a true winner.

As a byproduct this also solves the question – ‘What to do with the remaining free stakes’



Use the code of Bitshares. Why?

a. Technically –it has extremely fast block times -10-15 seconds. It has implemented security features (TITAN) in it already. In a month or so it will have exchange build on it. INHO it is the state of the art at this moment. So why not use the best available?

b. It is free and available – saves both time and money in Ora development.

c. There is certain negative PR in being a clone of somebody. BUT their (Bitshares) condition to not be a clone but kind of part of them is ‘The coin to distribute at least 10%  to 2 categories they have determined as their core supporters. That is 20% total
Ora has about 35.2% of free stakes available for distribution. So 20% can be used for that and there will still be about 15% left!




IMHO it will be a great decision for Ora.  And with its fair distribution model the sky is the limit.






This is an interesting idea. Would love to hear more opinions on it.  Cool

I would welcome discussion on our forums:  bitsharestalk.org    Having only spent a couple minutes reading the OP it seems like there is more discussion on distribution than on what value the system will provide:

1) What new POS algorithm?
2) Why not DPOS?
3) What language?

Based upon our experience you can expect at least 6 months to develop a basic system with a large team and funding.  I would not recommend someone attempt that without really solid reasons.

What goal are you trying to achieve that BitShares does not?


bytemaster , btw is the lead developer of Bitshares (and CEO, I think, of the company developing the Bitshares software.)

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Re: [ANN] ORA::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair distribution|issued NXT AE ASAP
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jshow5555
on 27/07/2014, 18:22:46 UTC


Here is my Grand plan how to make ORA the best coin out there.

And do that fast, cheap and with all the promised features. Add to that the fairest distribution we already have and you have a true winner.

As a byproduct this also solves the question – ‘What to do with the remaining free stakes’



Use the code of Bitshares. Why?

a. Technically –it has extremely fast block times -10-15 seconds. It has implemented security features (TITAN) in it already. In a month or so it will have exchange build on it. INHO it is the state of the art at this moment. So why not use the best available?

b. It is free and available – saves both time and money in Ora development.

c. There is certain negative PR in being a clone of somebody. BUT their (Bitshares) condition to not be a clone but kind of part of them is ‘The coin to distribute at least 10%  to 2 categories they have determined as their core supporters. That is 20% total
Ora has about 35.2% of free stakes available for distribution. So 20% can be used for that and there will still be about 15% left!




IMHO it will be a great decision for Ora.  And with its fair distribution model the sky is the limit.




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Re: [ANN] {GPC} GroupCoin - FREE Dist - NO IPO - X13 PoW/PoS - 08/03/14 LAUNCH
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jshow5555
on 27/07/2014, 01:15:03 UTC
Am I in for the free coins?

Very interested!