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Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
Great to see SJ and wasserman are agree and moving toward to the same goal. In short, the plans will be fulfilled and we can finally see action here
Good health to Opair!!
Good health to Opair!!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
I'm here again. I see great that you were able to finally reach an agreement with the escrow. So, now we need to wait 11 days more, no problem for me.
@BasementRot, if there is not PoW phase, i think that would be pure PoS with year % interest.
As i did by pm, my vote was for the option b. I just wanted to make it public.
Good health to Opair!
@BasementRot, if there is not PoW phase, i think that would be pure PoS with year % interest.
As i did by pm, my vote was for the option b. I just wanted to make it public.
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
Two points:
a)
this works for me, looks like a win-win
I also agree with BoldNinja's proposal, including the part about keeping the 9% for development since the ICO didn't raise as much as was hoped for.
I've been grudgingly watching this thread since the beginning - the FUD has been absolutely sickening.
I've been on these forums since 2011 and when I think of those long gone, glorious early crypto days when even Anonymous posted here and the awesome vibe and conversations that were had I just feel sad about what a sewer Bitcointalk has become.
There are more than 15 users than agree with this proposal, even, wasserman agree too. So we only need that SebastianJu accepted now. As hypersire said above there is a plan but sj for some reasons dont accept it. (if you read all the conversations, you will see that wasserman offer to sj a lot of roadmap/plan, but sj rejects all.
b)
What is your plan?? A small number of investors will contact you. What will happen to the others? You are legendary escrow?? Hah! Don't make me laugh! You had to discuss everything in advance
I agree with this, what are you going to do with all investors not contact you to ask for refund or send to wasserman. Because surely they are the majority. Are you going to the keep you? Send to the project? or what?
Please, stop this and accept the community plan, which is accepted by wasserman too.
Good health to Opair!
a)
I don't see where is the problem. Simple
You received 60 BTC which is a lot in stage 1. That should get you a head-start and to get trust from investors :
1. Pay the bounties from stage 1 you will be left with more than 50 BTC
2. Release the wallet and distribute the coins if you think you got much less than you wanted well that's a risk every developer has to accommodate sometimes less is more in crypto ( a lot of now sucessful projects even started as a joke and are now in top 50 coins without any starting funds) apart from that I'm OK if you take that 9% that was reserved for PoW as development fund and that should give you motivation for your project to be properly developed.
Now for the escrow :
1. You get 20% of escrow when you distribute coins and post working basic wallet along with source (that's additional 15-18 BTC I don't know how much was raised in stage 2 )
2. You get 20% when you list it on Bittrex and not some shitty exchange (3 BTC listing fee will get you additional 15 BTC for development)
You are still left with more than 80 BTC (stage1+stage2) you can start developing the wallet you promised.
3. You get 20% when you release wallet you promised (beta one)
4. You get 40% when it's functional (I'm not saying smart contracts, debit cards, ... ) but that it is stable
You received 60 BTC which is a lot in stage 1. That should get you a head-start and to get trust from investors :
1. Pay the bounties from stage 1 you will be left with more than 50 BTC
2. Release the wallet and distribute the coins if you think you got much less than you wanted well that's a risk every developer has to accommodate sometimes less is more in crypto ( a lot of now sucessful projects even started as a joke and are now in top 50 coins without any starting funds) apart from that I'm OK if you take that 9% that was reserved for PoW as development fund and that should give you motivation for your project to be properly developed.
Now for the escrow :
1. You get 20% of escrow when you distribute coins and post working basic wallet along with source (that's additional 15-18 BTC I don't know how much was raised in stage 2 )
2. You get 20% when you list it on Bittrex and not some shitty exchange (3 BTC listing fee will get you additional 15 BTC for development)
You are still left with more than 80 BTC (stage1+stage2) you can start developing the wallet you promised.
3. You get 20% when you release wallet you promised (beta one)
4. You get 40% when it's functional (I'm not saying smart contracts, debit cards, ... ) but that it is stable
this works for me, looks like a win-win
I also agree with BoldNinja's proposal, including the part about keeping the 9% for development since the ICO didn't raise as much as was hoped for.
I've been grudgingly watching this thread since the beginning - the FUD has been absolutely sickening.
I've been on these forums since 2011 and when I think of those long gone, glorious early crypto days when even Anonymous posted here and the awesome vibe and conversations that were had I just feel sad about what a sewer Bitcointalk has become.
There are more than 15 users than agree with this proposal, even, wasserman agree too. So we only need that SebastianJu accepted now. As hypersire said above there is a plan but sj for some reasons dont accept it. (if you read all the conversations, you will see that wasserman offer to sj a lot of roadmap/plan, but sj rejects all.
b)
Guys, I see alot of posts of accounts that want me to release the coins to wasserman99. Unfortunately the only persons I can trust to be real persons are investors that showed some sort of proof of their investment and wasserman99 as the dev. It seems there are other threads about OPAIR where the vibrations are completely the opposite and they can't post here. In any case this is nothing I could base a decision on and override other investors wishes based on accounts that are unverified investors.
So if you invested then please contact me with your wish to FORWARD the coins to wasserman99. Personally I would like to get an explaination why the coins from ICO phase 1 are only enough to pay for having a wallet in hands and running a sig campaign. There are much smaller ICO's that manage to do that without receiving any investment.
So far wasserman99 could not explain the usage of that kind of a lot of money so if I had contact with an experienced altcoin user on this forum before, who invested into this ICO now and I trust him then let me know and please let me know why these numbers match up.
So if you invested then please contact me with your wish to FORWARD the coins to wasserman99. Personally I would like to get an explaination why the coins from ICO phase 1 are only enough to pay for having a wallet in hands and running a sig campaign. There are much smaller ICO's that manage to do that without receiving any investment.
So far wasserman99 could not explain the usage of that kind of a lot of money so if I had contact with an experienced altcoin user on this forum before, who invested into this ICO now and I trust him then let me know and please let me know why these numbers match up.
What is your plan?? A small number of investors will contact you. What will happen to the others? You are legendary escrow?? Hah! Don't make me laugh! You had to discuss everything in advance
I agree with this, what are you going to do with all investors not contact you to ask for refund or send to wasserman. Because surely they are the majority. Are you going to the keep you? Send to the project? or what?
Please, stop this and accept the community plan, which is accepted by wasserman too.
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
@isildur..they clarified a lot of times that the whitepaper will be ready before the launch of the new platform:
Good health to Opair!
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- We are currently working on drafting an academic whitepaper, therefore, we will take a reasonable time due to detail and length thereof, but will be finished before the release of the Opair Mainnet.
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About the whitepaper, we currently have no news, we are still working on it but as we said in the thread, will be available before the release of our platform.
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
I don't see where is the problem. Simple
You received 60 BTC which is a lot in stage 1. That should get you a head-start and to get trust from investors :
1. Pay the bounties from stage 1 you will be left with more than 50 BTC
2. Release the wallet and distribute the coins if you think you got much less than you wanted well that's a risk every developer has to accommodate sometimes less is more in crypto ( a lot of now sucessful projects even started as a joke and are now in top 50 coins without any starting funds) apart from that I'm OK if you take that 9% that was reserved for PoW as development fund and that should give you motivation for your project to be properly developed.
Now for the escrow :
1. You get 20% of escrow when you distribute coins and post working basic wallet along with source (that's additional 15-18 BTC I don't know how much was raised in stage 2 )
2. You get 20% when you list it on Bittrex and not some shitty exchange (3 BTC listing fee will get you additional 15 BTC for development)
You are still left with more than 80 BTC (stage1+stage2) you can start developing the wallet you promised.
3. You get 20% when you release wallet you promised (beta one)
4. You get 40% when it's functional (I'm not saying smart contracts, debit cards, ... ) but that it is stable
You received 60 BTC which is a lot in stage 1. That should get you a head-start and to get trust from investors :
1. Pay the bounties from stage 1 you will be left with more than 50 BTC
2. Release the wallet and distribute the coins if you think you got much less than you wanted well that's a risk every developer has to accommodate sometimes less is more in crypto ( a lot of now sucessful projects even started as a joke and are now in top 50 coins without any starting funds) apart from that I'm OK if you take that 9% that was reserved for PoW as development fund and that should give you motivation for your project to be properly developed.
Now for the escrow :
1. You get 20% of escrow when you distribute coins and post working basic wallet along with source (that's additional 15-18 BTC I don't know how much was raised in stage 2 )
2. You get 20% when you list it on Bittrex and not some shitty exchange (3 BTC listing fee will get you additional 15 BTC for development)
You are still left with more than 80 BTC (stage1+stage2) you can start developing the wallet you promised.
3. You get 20% when you release wallet you promised (beta one)
4. You get 40% when it's functional (I'm not saying smart contracts, debit cards, ... ) but that it is stable
I agree with this! If the escrow also agree we can close the agreement.
Regards
Sounds good
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
@vasdav and XbladeX..they said two weeks thinking they will raised 700 btc but the project raise a way less btc. Please read this:
Good health to Opair!
2) Well, a few days after (less than a week) the ICO ends will be available a basic wallet to make the distribution but our platform will take a while to become available. We hope in the first month (at first we said two weeks because we thought we would accomplish our goal of 700 bitcoins. With current funds, all dates are being reviewed. We are also optimistic to reach our goal in the final days.) to launch the first open beta.
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- Since we are working on code from scratch, we are going to offer a basic wallet (after the ICO) which will migrate to the new platform when ready.
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- As we said throughout the thread, the idea is to launch a basic platform shortly after the ICO ends to start the distribution and, at the same time, try out the first Beta versions of our new platform. Once we have our first stable version we will transfer everyone to it on a pre-set date so as everybody is on the loop and no one is taken by surprise. The mining will continue on the new platform taking into consideration the stage found under the rules set it in here. We estimate that we will have the first public Beta two weeks after we finish distributing the ICO and the first steady version two months after the ICO. It may seem like a lot of time at first, but in order to achieve a solid and steady development it is truly a short one. Fortunately, we have been working on this project for months now and our expectations are high.
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
@trademark or maybe because wasserman is in charge of the marketing/communication in the project. Even if frank wrote in the thread would not be enough for some users because they do not believe it's him as it did before. I have to search, but in the past he wrote a statement here with his user.
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
I want to talk about the agreement between SJ and wasserman99
in my view:
1/ we need to release beta wallet and distributing xpo coins for all investors after then SJ will release funds (40% of escrow amount)to the project running .
2/ after funds released , wasserman99 should have information about listing exchanges (such as bittrex, polo, ect...) and we must have some talks on slack with presence of CEO Frank and HAO so that all investors need to be known about the legit project . this fact will clear all doubts from investors and it can bring back more funds for the project .
3/ finally the rest of escrow funds will be released to the project .
We should not let the project run slowly and it will effect all investors . They have to pay money for this project so no reasons to pause the process because of this problem
Regards,
agreed for it in my view:
1/ we need to release beta wallet and distributing xpo coins for all investors after then SJ will release funds (40% of escrow amount)to the project running .
2/ after funds released , wasserman99 should have information about listing exchanges (such as bittrex, polo, ect...) and we must have some talks on slack with presence of CEO Frank and HAO so that all investors need to be known about the legit project . this fact will clear all doubts from investors and it can bring back more funds for the project .
3/ finally the rest of escrow funds will be released to the project .
We should not let the project run slowly and it will effect all investors . They have to pay money for this project so no reasons to pause the process because of this problem
Regards,
it will the best
Yes i agreed too, but remember that the first wallet will be a normal qt wallet, they said that need a few months of works before the release of the new platform. Its normal, all the big projects take months after the ico before they launch the platform. I will add a point:
1/ we need to release beta wallet and distributing xpo coins for all investors after then SJ will release funds (40% of escrow amount)to the project running .
2/ SJ sent 7 btc to Lutpin to pay the signature campaign.
3/ after funds released , wasserman99 should have information about listing exchanges (such as bittrex, polo, ect...) and we must have some talks on slack with presence of CEO Frank and HAO so that all investors need to be known about the legit project . this fact will clear all doubts from investors and it can bring back more funds for the project .
4/ finally the rest of escrow funds will be released to the project .
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
Another comment from the slack:
@Dank Frank, please READ my last message!!!!!!, you will find your answers.
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cmtzco [9:35 AM]
I find it entertaining to see this happen with many ICOs. People go all in or even half in on some ICO they think is cool or some ICO they think will bank them sick money and they are all hyped about it. The second things get rough for the dev team or something seems off the investors flip. I'm not sure they understand that investing is pure risk and if you arent willing to lose all or part of your investment then theres really no point in putting money on the asset. Sure i get it the developers promised some awesome feature here or there but as a consumer/investor one must understand that things change. No single project out there was everything it ever intended to be.
[9:36]
Personally I'm excited to see the debit card become a thing because that will put OPAIR light years ahead of any other alt and maybe even btc since they dont officially have a debit card(being that all the debit cards are off of 3rd parties)
[9:36]
If I can be of any assistance to the project that would be even cooler :slightly_smiling_face:
I find it entertaining to see this happen with many ICOs. People go all in or even half in on some ICO they think is cool or some ICO they think will bank them sick money and they are all hyped about it. The second things get rough for the dev team or something seems off the investors flip. I'm not sure they understand that investing is pure risk and if you arent willing to lose all or part of your investment then theres really no point in putting money on the asset. Sure i get it the developers promised some awesome feature here or there but as a consumer/investor one must understand that things change. No single project out there was everything it ever intended to be.
[9:36]
Personally I'm excited to see the debit card become a thing because that will put OPAIR light years ahead of any other alt and maybe even btc since they dont officially have a debit card(being that all the debit cards are off of 3rd parties)
[9:36]
If I can be of any assistance to the project that would be even cooler :slightly_smiling_face:
@Dank Frank, please READ my last message!!!!!!, you will find your answers.
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
@trademark, again READ! READ!...they only ask the 50% 7 days after they will release the wallet (when in all the ICOs the escrow release the 100% after the wallet is released, so this is a way better) and the remaining part after the beta wallet. But like this option dont like to sj, they offer to make to refund to anyone who want exit and release the remaining funds after they launch the wallet and make the distribution.
@placebo, they first need to reach an agreement with sj (like: 1) after the first wallet you send x btc, 2) after we pay the signature bountiies you send x btc, 3) after the beta wallet you send x btc, etc etc), they cant make the initial distribution if they dont know if sj will make refunds, so they offer to do the refunds before the launch of the wallet..please read this:
Good health to Opair!
@placebo, they first need to reach an agreement with sj (like: 1) after the first wallet you send x btc, 2) after we pay the signature bountiies you send x btc, 3) after the beta wallet you send x btc, etc etc), they cant make the initial distribution if they dont know if sj will make refunds, so they offer to do the refunds before the launch of the wallet..please read this:
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bitcurious [6:32 AM]
01) Release a "beta" wallet 02) Distribute XPO in accordance with the BTC you have access to and put the XPO related to escrow funds on hold until you actually get the funds since this has influence on the total distribution- if you don't receive the funds burn the XPO. 03) Show some action and code on github repository. 04) Launch a beta version. 05) Try to get XPO listed on one or more exchanges. | You should be able to realize this without any funds currently waiting in escrow. (edited)
[6:37]
+ Pay signature campaign bonuses from the funds you have and get it over with, consider voting on changing the purpose of the 9% XPO reserved for PoW and instead use it as a means to fund yourself if possible.
opair [7:15 AM]
bitcurious your proposal is interesting but the point 2) makes no sense, wa cant distribute some xpo to investors and hold the other part. And yes we can start to work with the funds of the first phase, we never said otherwise. The problem is that as you will see the willingness of SebastianJu is not release the funds and not accept any of our plans. Whereupon we can not distribute all the XPO or putting together a work plan assuming that we have all the funds, and then two weeks he refunds all funds. There is a problem of mistrust. So I think it is best at this time is that SebastianJu offer a period of time so that users can request a refund.
For a couple of days we can hear from investors here and during the weekend I will ask SebastianJu to make a decision.
bitcurious [7:17 AM]
I that case you can't distribute anything
opair [7:18 AM]
Yes, we can start the distribution when we made an agreement with sebastianJu
but that is not the case yet.
bitcurious [7:20 AM]
- Yah.. I thought my plan would allow you to move forward with distribution . Just don't send the escrow related XPO to the wallets.
Then if there are refunds you burn the XPO related to those funds
opair [7:22 AM]
So, only distribute 35%?..its unfair for the other investors
bitcurious [7:23 AM]
It only matter when you will get listed on an exchange
opair [7:23 AM]
you, with your money and the wallet, could start mining or sell, etc
bitcurious [7:24 AM]
Where am I gonna mine, there is nothing
Where should I send the XPO I sell over the counter?
opair [7:27 AM]
if we release the wallet, you could start to mining (we offer a pow phase as you know), and between the initial distribution to the 35% and after sebastianju release the funds could happen a month or more...in this time the coin could be added to an exchange. Again, its unfair.
bitcurious [7:30 AM]
Who ever said the world is a fair place..
01) Release a "beta" wallet 02) Distribute XPO in accordance with the BTC you have access to and put the XPO related to escrow funds on hold until you actually get the funds since this has influence on the total distribution- if you don't receive the funds burn the XPO. 03) Show some action and code on github repository. 04) Launch a beta version. 05) Try to get XPO listed on one or more exchanges. | You should be able to realize this without any funds currently waiting in escrow. (edited)
[6:37]
+ Pay signature campaign bonuses from the funds you have and get it over with, consider voting on changing the purpose of the 9% XPO reserved for PoW and instead use it as a means to fund yourself if possible.
opair [7:15 AM]
bitcurious your proposal is interesting but the point 2) makes no sense, wa cant distribute some xpo to investors and hold the other part. And yes we can start to work with the funds of the first phase, we never said otherwise. The problem is that as you will see the willingness of SebastianJu is not release the funds and not accept any of our plans. Whereupon we can not distribute all the XPO or putting together a work plan assuming that we have all the funds, and then two weeks he refunds all funds. There is a problem of mistrust. So I think it is best at this time is that SebastianJu offer a period of time so that users can request a refund.
For a couple of days we can hear from investors here and during the weekend I will ask SebastianJu to make a decision.
bitcurious [7:17 AM]
I that case you can't distribute anything
opair [7:18 AM]
Yes, we can start the distribution when we made an agreement with sebastianJu
but that is not the case yet.
bitcurious [7:20 AM]
- Yah.. I thought my plan would allow you to move forward with distribution . Just don't send the escrow related XPO to the wallets.
Then if there are refunds you burn the XPO related to those funds
opair [7:22 AM]
So, only distribute 35%?..its unfair for the other investors
bitcurious [7:23 AM]
It only matter when you will get listed on an exchange
opair [7:23 AM]
you, with your money and the wallet, could start mining or sell, etc
bitcurious [7:24 AM]
Where am I gonna mine, there is nothing
Where should I send the XPO I sell over the counter?
opair [7:27 AM]
if we release the wallet, you could start to mining (we offer a pow phase as you know), and between the initial distribution to the 35% and after sebastianju release the funds could happen a month or more...in this time the coin could be added to an exchange. Again, its unfair.
bitcurious [7:30 AM]
Who ever said the world is a fair place..
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
@Lazarus2016, haha its not the same. Congrats for your project, but the scale of this project is like lisk-eth, not just a wallet. If you read, they dont have problem to release the wallet, the problem is about the agreement with sj about what happen next.
@tomkat, if you read all the conversations you will see that they offered a few plans to sj but he dont like it any of them. So they think the best is offer a refund to anyone who want exit and release the remaining funds after they launch the wallet and make the distribution. I think its a fair option.
Read this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg16110385#msg16110385), some extract:
Good health to Opair!
@tomkat, if you read all the conversations you will see that they offered a few plans to sj but he dont like it any of them. So they think the best is offer a refund to anyone who want exit and release the remaining funds after they launch the wallet and make the distribution. I think its a fair option.
Read this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg16110385#msg16110385), some extract:
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And yes we can start to work with the funds of the first phase, we never said otherwise. The problem is that as you will see the willingness of SebastianJu is not release the funds and not accept any of our plans. Whereupon we can not distribute all the XPO or putting together a work plan assuming that we have all the funds, and then two weeks he refunds all funds. There is a problem of mistrust. So I think it is best at this time is that SebastianJu offer a period of time so that users can request a refund.
For a couple of days we can hear from investors here and during the weekend I will ask SebastianJu to make a decision.
We offer a few plans and he decline all of them, so now we said him: You decided what will be the plan but we need a solution as soon as possible.
I know, so we said him that offer a plenty of time to refund users and after that (when only the users who trust in us are onboard) release the funds after 7 days we release the wallet but he also has doubts about this plan, and made public the whole conversation.
For a couple of days we can hear from investors here and during the weekend I will ask SebastianJu to make a decision.
We offer a few plans and he decline all of them, so now we said him: You decided what will be the plan but we need a solution as soon as possible.
I know, so we said him that offer a plenty of time to refund users and after that (when only the users who trust in us are onboard) release the funds after 7 days we release the wallet but he also has doubts about this plan, and made public the whole conversation.
Good health to Opair!
disitribución could be distribution (english) / distribucion (spanish) / distribution (french) / distribució (catalan) / distribuição (portuguese)
Now its time to every investor go to the main thread and give his view.
Good health to Opair!
Now its time to every investor go to the main thread and give his view.
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
I am here...i thinks the best is offer to refund to anyone (second phase) who want to exit and release, under certains circumstances, the funds.
Since the escrow not want to go slack, i'll copy here some comments:
bitcurious [6:32 AM]
01) Release a "beta" wallet 02) Distribute XPO in accordance with the BTC you have access to and put the XPO related to escrow funds on hold until you actually get the funds since this has influence on the total distribution- if you don't receive the funds burn the XPO. 03) Show some action and code on github repository. 04) Launch a beta version. 05) Try to get XPO listed on one or more exchanges. | You should be able to realize this without any funds currently waiting in escrow. (edited)
[6:37]
+ Pay signature campaign bonuses from the funds you have and get it over with, consider voting on changing the purpose of the 9% XPO reserved for PoW and instead use it as a means to fund yourself if possible.
opair [7:15 AM]
bitcurious your proposal is interesting but the point 2) makes no sense, wa cant distribute some xpo to investors and hold the other part. And yes we can start to work with the funds of the first phase, we never said otherwise. The problem is that as you will see the willingness of SebastianJu is not release the funds and not accept any of our plans. Whereupon we can not distribute all the XPO or putting together a work plan assuming that we have all the funds, and then two weeks he refunds all funds. There is a problem of mistrust. So I think it is best at this time is that SebastianJu offer a period of time so that users can request a refund.
For a couple of days we can hear from investors here and during the weekend I will ask SebastianJu to make a decision.
bitcurious [7:17 AM]
I that case you can't distribute anything
opair [7:18 AM]
Yes, we can start the distribution when we made an agreement with sebastianJu
but that is not the case yet.
bitcurious [7:20 AM]
- Yah.. I thought my plan would allow you to move forward with distribution . Just don't send the escrow related XPO to the wallets.
Then if there are refunds you burn the XPO related to those funds
opair [7:22 AM]
So, only distribute 35%?..its unfair for the other investors
bitcurious [7:23 AM]
It only matter when you will get listed on an exchange
opair [7:23 AM]
you, with your money and the wallet, could start mining or sell, etc
bitcurious [7:24 AM]
Where am I gonna mine, there is nothing
Where should I send the XPO I sell over the counter?
opair [7:27 AM]
if we release the wallet, you could start to mining (we offer a pow phase as you know), and between the initial distribution to the 35% and after sebastianju release the funds could happen a month or more...in this time the coin could be added to an exchange. Again, its unfair.
bitcurious [7:30 AM]
Who ever said the world is a fair place.. Then just do whatever you had planned.
opair [7:31 AM]
I am trying to launch as fair as possible...so first we need to reach an agreement with sebastianju, we dont have another option
bitcurious [7:32 AM]
So if I understand correct the discussion is not about escrow rules but about the choice // refund or no-refund. I you choose no-refund people agree ALL funds will be released.
opair [7:33 AM]
No...the discussion is about to reach an agreement of the conditions to release the remaining funds.
bitcurious [7:33 AM]
You'll be discussing till the end of time
opair [7:34 AM]
We offer a few plans and he decline all of them, so now we said him: You decided what will be the plan but we need a solution as soon as possible.
I know, so we said him that offer a plenty of time to refund users and after that (when only the users who trust in us are onboard) release the funds after 7 days we release the wallet but he also has doubts about this plan, and made public the whole conversation.
bitcurious [7:39 AM]
I read that yes. Like I said that it will be a never ending story. You say you need funds to realize non-existing milestones and SJ wants to see milestones before giving you the funds.. hmmmm.. problem
opair [7:40 AM]
So, the best option is offer a refund who want exit and release the remaining, no?
everyone can choose
bitcurious [7:40 AM]
I am fine with that..
Another option if the investors make the decision, so we can have a vote after verify with SJ our investment, but base the votes based on contribution to the ICO.
So somebody who invested 2 btc would get 2 votes compared to one vote for somebody who invested 1 BTC.
And as XbladeX said (and a lot of users on slack), the devs could change the rules (if EVERYONE its ok with that) and take the 9% pow phase as premine to have more funds.
Good health to Opair!
Since the escrow not want to go slack, i'll copy here some comments:
bitcurious [6:32 AM]
01) Release a "beta" wallet 02) Distribute XPO in accordance with the BTC you have access to and put the XPO related to escrow funds on hold until you actually get the funds since this has influence on the total distribution- if you don't receive the funds burn the XPO. 03) Show some action and code on github repository. 04) Launch a beta version. 05) Try to get XPO listed on one or more exchanges. | You should be able to realize this without any funds currently waiting in escrow. (edited)
[6:37]
+ Pay signature campaign bonuses from the funds you have and get it over with, consider voting on changing the purpose of the 9% XPO reserved for PoW and instead use it as a means to fund yourself if possible.
opair [7:15 AM]
bitcurious your proposal is interesting but the point 2) makes no sense, wa cant distribute some xpo to investors and hold the other part. And yes we can start to work with the funds of the first phase, we never said otherwise. The problem is that as you will see the willingness of SebastianJu is not release the funds and not accept any of our plans. Whereupon we can not distribute all the XPO or putting together a work plan assuming that we have all the funds, and then two weeks he refunds all funds. There is a problem of mistrust. So I think it is best at this time is that SebastianJu offer a period of time so that users can request a refund.
For a couple of days we can hear from investors here and during the weekend I will ask SebastianJu to make a decision.
bitcurious [7:17 AM]
I that case you can't distribute anything
opair [7:18 AM]
Yes, we can start the distribution when we made an agreement with sebastianJu
but that is not the case yet.
bitcurious [7:20 AM]
- Yah.. I thought my plan would allow you to move forward with distribution . Just don't send the escrow related XPO to the wallets.
Then if there are refunds you burn the XPO related to those funds
opair [7:22 AM]
So, only distribute 35%?..its unfair for the other investors
bitcurious [7:23 AM]
It only matter when you will get listed on an exchange
opair [7:23 AM]
you, with your money and the wallet, could start mining or sell, etc
bitcurious [7:24 AM]
Where am I gonna mine, there is nothing
Where should I send the XPO I sell over the counter?
opair [7:27 AM]
if we release the wallet, you could start to mining (we offer a pow phase as you know), and between the initial distribution to the 35% and after sebastianju release the funds could happen a month or more...in this time the coin could be added to an exchange. Again, its unfair.
bitcurious [7:30 AM]
Who ever said the world is a fair place.. Then just do whatever you had planned.
opair [7:31 AM]
I am trying to launch as fair as possible...so first we need to reach an agreement with sebastianju, we dont have another option
bitcurious [7:32 AM]
So if I understand correct the discussion is not about escrow rules but about the choice // refund or no-refund. I you choose no-refund people agree ALL funds will be released.
opair [7:33 AM]
No...the discussion is about to reach an agreement of the conditions to release the remaining funds.
bitcurious [7:33 AM]
You'll be discussing till the end of time
opair [7:34 AM]
We offer a few plans and he decline all of them, so now we said him: You decided what will be the plan but we need a solution as soon as possible.
I know, so we said him that offer a plenty of time to refund users and after that (when only the users who trust in us are onboard) release the funds after 7 days we release the wallet but he also has doubts about this plan, and made public the whole conversation.
bitcurious [7:39 AM]
I read that yes. Like I said that it will be a never ending story. You say you need funds to realize non-existing milestones and SJ wants to see milestones before giving you the funds.. hmmmm.. problem
opair [7:40 AM]
So, the best option is offer a refund who want exit and release the remaining, no?
everyone can choose
bitcurious [7:40 AM]
I am fine with that..
Another option if the investors make the decision, so we can have a vote after verify with SJ our investment, but base the votes based on contribution to the ICO.
So somebody who invested 2 btc would get 2 votes compared to one vote for somebody who invested 1 BTC.
And as XbladeX said (and a lot of users on slack), the devs could change the rules (if EVERYONE its ok with that) and take the 9% pow phase as premine to have more funds.
Good health to Opair!
A wise man once told me, "buy and hold"
Many times I failed to heed this advice, and now I finally understand why. So much money lost due to my weak hands...
All in due time, if you bought OPAIR, why sell so quickly? (~weeks-months)
Wait it out, coins have been declared dead before - then rose to the thousands of sats.
Many times I failed to heed this advice, and now I finally understand why. So much money lost due to my weak hands...
All in due time, if you bought OPAIR, why sell so quickly? (~weeks-months)
Wait it out, coins have been declared dead before - then rose to the thousands of sats.
Yes! i agree, we must hold, and well done for the opair team that they are paying all the bounties with btc instead of XPO, so we are free of these dumping boys
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
Poll:
What will be the price for 1 XPO (Opair) after adding to the exchanges?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1599740.0
What will be the price for 1 XPO (Opair) after adding to the exchanges?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1599740.0
Write your opinion
I will check your thread right now
Foex, the steps are:
1) Basic qt-wallet.
2) Beta(s).
3) Stable version and more betas for futures updates.
We have already paid the bounties translations, only missing these:
Indonesian - India - Korean - Portuguese - Croatian. Please contact me by message.
Regards
1) Basic qt-wallet.
2) Beta(s).
3) Stable version and more betas for futures updates.
We have already paid the bounties translations, only missing these:
Indonesian - India - Korean - Portuguese - Croatian. Please contact me by message.
Regards
Recived the Hindi translation bounty for indian altcoin board, thank you very much,
Well done guys! Expect to see the wallet the next week!
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
@BasementRot What the hell are you talking about? These paranoid my friend. Recently finished the ICO, wasserman still here answering all questions. They said that during the day they would send those bitcoints to SebastianJu. I promise that if he fails to do, I myself will start a campaign against them, but so far they have fulfilled everything they have said.
Even when these coins to the escrow send you going to complain.
When they released the first wallet you are going to complain.
When they released the first beta you're going to complain.
When they released the first stable version are you going to complain.
Fudders gonna fud!
Good health to Opair!
Even when these coins to the escrow send you going to complain.
When they released the first wallet you are going to complain.
When they released the first beta you're going to complain.
When they released the first stable version are you going to complain.
Fudders gonna fud!
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | Decentralized Debit Cards | OCaml | New Blockchain Platform
Congrats for the ICO!! Now its time to let the team works on the wallet and after that in the beta. As always i knew, wasserman isstill here and have not gone anywhere as they claimed the haters. Well done!
Good health to Opair!
Good health to Opair!
Re: [PRE-ANN] OPAIR | ICO Ends in 24 hours (+140 BTC) | New Blockchain Platform
kooke, how do you know that his platform works smoothly?
Because the ICO platform it is the most transparent i saw in this forum. You can see at any time all statistics, including your balance and price per coin, which is updated as more people invest. Everything run smoothly. For suspicious people, make yourselves an account on the platform and try it on your own. That's a great test of experience and knowledge of this team. If the final release has much quality as the platform it will be a success. If they could do that without money, with the money raise from the ICO the sky is the limit.
Good health to Opair!
Most transparent, don't make me laugh. The dev is anonymous and is hiding his identity. Please explain to me how you find that transparent.
Exactly, because in the platform you can see at any time all statistics, including your balance and price per coin, which is updated as more people invest. Everything run smoothly.
Good health to Opair!