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Re: [ANN][MSP] Mothership - EU Exchange & Token Market
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krypto5
on 01/05/2018, 15:21:41 UTC
How well MSP compares technically for example to Binanace and QASH?
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Re: [ANN][MSP] Mothership - EU Exchange & Token Market
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krypto5
on 22/11/2017, 09:07:41 UTC
Thanks for your answer

>*  The buy back will put some buy pressure (not much at the beginning, but it will be positive)

Yes that is true. But company can create huge revenues in the future and maybe token owner wont get anything.


>*  Selected ICO's can comply with the law with a low cost

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>Discord is kind of dead,

?

>new ppl are joining,

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>there is almost no activity on the channels

So is this coin dead? Or are they focusing to build the platform?
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Re: [ANN][POWR][UPDATE] *** POWER LEDGER TOKEN SALE STARTS FRIDAY 8TH SEPTEMBER ***
by
krypto5
on 22/11/2017, 08:29:19 UTC
Besides the last negative coments, i am just going to write about facts:

1) the last 3 years i spent 12 hours of my days doing crypto trade and reading whitepapers and new ico's details.
2) 95% of my reading are about ideas, concepts, theorys of the future but nothing about present reality. just about future reality.
3) 95% of my the market cap in cryptos is about expectation and speculation. even bitcoin does not have a current present aplication, maybe in future, but worths 8k nowadays.
4) 95% of the ICO's its hard to see real videos of developers, to check their old linked in, facebook, twitter, whatever accounts.
5) 95% of the ICO's have no more then 5 to 10 persons working on it. Most are just 2 or 3 guys waiting for milions to hire a team
6) 95% of the ICO's have a legislation and government problem.

Now, MY OPINION:

POWERLEDGER just presented a new standard for the crypto world, why?

1) instead of ideas and dreams they are already on field doing partnerships and with a high tech already being used.
2) its easy to see who they are. if you check australian web channels they go theirselfs to the shows and speak about the tech.
3) the team already has more then 50 persons working on it
4) Australian government support. Not about the 10 milions investment. More important was the AUSTRALIAN MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE being a speaker during the oficial Powerledger presentation.
4) if you ask me about the future: energy will be the biggest problem. so where to invest? in something with a strong team and concept to get a solution.

FINALLY, ATM each TKN costs the miserable 0.60$!!!!!!!!!
Most of you buy the super trendy coins for no less then 50$... 100$.... 300$...

Nobody can predict the future, not even god, but in all ICO's, new coins, whatever in crypto world that passed over my eyes in the last 3 years, this project was defenitly the one I most believe it will be successfull.


Q. What is the incentive for investors to keep our tokens after the Token Generation Event?
A. Token holders will have access to the Power Ledger platform. They can potentially use POWR tokens to purchase electricity when the Power Ledger platform becomes available in their area. Token holders can also participate in Asset Germination events by submitting POWR tokens. By keeping hold of POWR tokens you won’t have to buy them on an exchange later if you decide to use the platform. As we on-board more participants there will be a requirement for more POWR tokens either in circulation throughout the eco-system or escrowed in a SmartBond.

AND

Asset Germination Events are defined in our White Paper as:

    ‘the sale or crowdfunding of an autonomous renewable energy asset which allocates ownership and distribution of income’.

In simple language, they are events whereby POWR token holders can purchase a fraction of ownership of a renewable energy asset, be allocated its revenue accordingly to its share of the asset, and even trade their ownership with other POWR holders.

Further information about Asset Germination Events:

    Crowd-fund renewable energy assets on the blockchain
    Contributors will be allocated revenue of the asset based on their proportion of ownership.
    Power Ledger is the first platform to offer the ability to trade ownership of these assets. If a contributor needs immediate liquidity they can sell it through our platform to other buyers.
    An asset may be a solar, wind or battery farm
    Ownership does not have to be inclusive of everyone, a community could have a community-owned asset where only those who live there are eligible to contribute.
    By owning POWR, the Power Ledger Ecosystem token, holders can also access a range of Power Ledger Applications, such as peer-to-peer energy trading in markets Power Ledger is operating in.
    The future energy system will be low-cost, resilient and owned by the people of the world.
    Initial projects will be announced here first when they are open for contributions


POWR is a very good idea, but why to buy POWR-tokens? I cant see any reason why value of the POWR-tokens should grow in the future? Why not just wait if they can build platform and then buy them if needed?

Or am I missing something here?
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Re: [ANN][POWR][UPDATE] *** POWER LEDGER TOKEN SALE STARTS FRIDAY 8TH SEPTEMBER ***
by
krypto5
on 21/11/2017, 19:39:35 UTC


What is the Economic structure for POWR-tokens?



Q. What is the incentive for investors to keep our tokens after the Token Generation Event?
A. Token holders will have access to the Power Ledger platform. They can potentially use POWR tokens to purchase electricity when the Power Ledger platform becomes available in their area. Token holders can also participate in Asset Germination events by submitting POWR tokens. By keeping hold of POWR tokens you won’t have to buy them on an exchange later if you decide to use the platform. As we on-board more participants there will be a requirement for more POWR tokens either in circulation throughout the eco-system or escrowed in a SmartBond.


AND

Asset Germination Events are defined in our White Paper as:

    ‘the sale or crowdfunding of an autonomous renewable energy asset which allocates ownership and distribution of income’.

In simple language, they are events whereby POWR token holders can purchase a fraction of ownership of a renewable energy asset, be allocated its revenue accordingly to its share of the asset, and even trade their ownership with other POWR holders.

Further information about Asset Germination Events:

    Crowd-fund renewable energy assets on the blockchain
    Contributors will be allocated revenue of the asset based on their proportion of ownership.
    Power Ledger is the first platform to offer the ability to trade ownership of these assets. If a contributor needs immediate liquidity they can sell it through our platform to other buyers.
    An asset may be a solar, wind or battery farm
    Ownership does not have to be inclusive of everyone, a community could have a community-owned asset where only those who live there are eligible to contribute.
    By owning POWR, the Power Ledger Ecosystem token, holders can also access a range of Power Ledger Applications, such as peer-to-peer energy trading in markets Power Ledger is operating in.
    The future energy system will be low-cost, resilient and owned by the people of the world.
    Initial projects will be announced here first when they are open for contributions



POWR is a very good idea, but why to buy POWR-tokens? I cant see any reason why value of the POWR-tokens should grow in the future? Why not just wait if they can build platform and then buy them if needed?


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Re: [ANN][MSP] Mothership - EU Exchange & Token Market
by
krypto5
on 21/11/2017, 19:14:27 UTC
Apologize - I am usually finding information from different sources. OK, here it is, so I have a bit more educated next question below:

"The Token
MSP will be built on the Ethereum platform as an ERC20 token. There will
be a total supply of 200,000,000 MSP.  
MSP serves as a core part of Mothership, and is required for:
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Access to Premium and Platinum account tiers
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The Mothership app platform layer
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Community curation and insight rewards
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Access to Mothership beta products
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Mothership reputation management
In addition, Mothership will repurchase MSP on the free market using
20% of fees from Mothership products. The repurchased MSP will be
permanently destroyed. We will do so until 50% of the supply is
destroyed."


Very interesting model - have you had any thoughts, how this affects to the price of the MSP-token, if platform starts to create revenue? It should increase the value, but it is a bit tricky to predict. Price can go to very low even MSP-tokens are repurchased - or if nobody is willing to sell the price will go to infinity. Smiley
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Re: [ANN][MSP] Mothership - EU Exchange & Token Market
by
krypto5
on 21/11/2017, 15:10:29 UTC

What is the Economic structure for MSP-tokens?
What creates value for them?
Why to buy MSP-tokens?
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Re: [ANN][POWR][UPDATE] *** POWER LEDGER TOKEN SALE STARTS FRIDAY 8TH SEPTEMBER ***
by
krypto5
on 21/11/2017, 15:01:13 UTC

300K each BTC might be in the year 2025. The value of POWR in 2025 might be under 5 Cents. It is just a Token. I am here also since the beginning and I can tell you one Thing. You are comparing Coins with Tokens, LTC is a coin with his own Technology, POWR and the most other PnD are just Tokens which every one can create. You need just 5 minutes, zero skills and you can create a Token. Than put it in a good real life scenario and you can make a nice pump. Just my opinion. I think that over 90% off all Token project will fail and people will losse much money.

It has nothing to do with the fact that I like BTC. I am also investing in other Alts, but only on good TECH not in Tokens.


Economic structure of crypto tokens

When we view crypto tokens akin to stock in a corporation for valuation purposes, we can begin to apply some of the economic characteristics of the latter to the former. For a crypto token holder, the value of the token comes from three primary sources, just like a regular stock:

    Dividends
    Buybacks
    Price appreciation.

Let’s discuss the price appreciation component first. This is present in many crypto tokens, and is driven by adoption (note that this is different from speculative price appreciation). In this case, the entire economic value of the ecosystem is modeled based on economic assumptions, and then divided among the token holders. Many application-specific crypto tokens belong to this category.

Take the example of decentralized storage startup Storj Labs. Its tokens don’t pay any dividends, and there isn’t a concept of buyback. However, if the protocol is widely adopted, the value of Storj tokens is expected to increase.

A simple valuation in this case would be to model the size of the market that Storj can represent and divide it by the total number of tokens in existence.

Some of the more recent projects have a cash-flow component (earned income) in addition to the adoption-based price appreciation. This is similar to corporations making a profit, and using that profit to grow the business via retained earnings. The ‘excess’ profit is then distributed to shareholders in the form of stock buybacks (increase the percentage ownership of each share of the company) and dividends (provide a cash distribution to beneficial owners of each share).

https://www.coindesk.com/framework-valuing-crypto-tokens/


What is the Economic structure for POWR-tokens?



(Offtopic: Can you mention few good TECHs besides BTC?)