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Re: Titan Mint Bitcoin Coin Co- CEO Tim Fillmore - Scam Thread
ATTENTION Titan Mint Victims
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I'm in the process of consulting with crypto and legal experts in exploring legal options against Tim Fillmore.
PM me if you're also a victim of Titan Mint and is looking for legal counsels licensed in CA to help recover your loss.
Given Tim's recent turn to complete silence in light of the Mt.Gox payout, we may seek either civil OR criminal charges against him in court.
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I'm in the process of consulting with crypto and legal experts in exploring legal options against Tim Fillmore.
PM me if you're also a victim of Titan Mint and is looking for legal counsels licensed in CA to help recover your loss.
Given Tim's recent turn to complete silence in light of the Mt.Gox payout, we may seek either civil OR criminal charges against him in court.
Re: Titan Mint Bitcoin Coin Co- CEO Tim Fillmore - Scam Thread
so do we ever get to find out if Tim got his (OUR) Btc back from Gox ? of what ? or is this where we find out it was all really a lie and he never had a group of coins on Gox and he is going to get called out? following a class action lawsuits , because if he is not able to produce our coins thorough the gox refund because he lie it now turns to "Intent to defraud" and something like that carries Huge legal charges along with major jail time for this amount of money, (hope your reading this timmy boy ) 
the risk that it was all a way to delay the inevitable is why I (and the people I assisted) decided to take the lower payout. Too much risk at not getting anything back.
Mopar, I fail to see the point of your reply to the post that you quoted for. Were you trying to simply let everyone here know that you made a smart move for yourself? or were you trying to suggest that anyone who didn't take the lower payout deserves getting nothing back?
Tim held a webinar a little over a year ago, during which he shared Titan's asset holdings then and provided his creditors two options. His failure to follow through on what he purposely provided then and outright refusal to communicate with his customers/creditors could easily jeopardize him legally in California.
I'm already in the process of talking to a lawyer after several attempts of reaching out to him failed.
Anyone who is also contemplating legal actions against Titan Tim feel free to PM me.
Is the auction over and did I win?
The action was set to expire 15:59:59 PDT on Sept. 18. Your bid was placed on Sept. 18th 22:59:29 UTC or 15:59:29 PDT (UTC-7) Sept. 18 so congratulations you've won the auction.
Up for auction is One (1) 2013 Titan One coin (https://www.titanbtc.com/product/titan-one/) from TitanBtc.com
Comes loaded with 1BTC and 1 BCC/BCH. This is a brand new coin in mint condition. It has never been redeemed, it has never been taken out of its sealed glass enclosure and thus the security seal on the back of the coin was never touched. It came with paper certificate (see coin# 193 in pictures). It will come in a small black gift box.
https://imgur.com/a/2VfNS
NOTE: Despite the gold looking color these goldline coins were NOT made out of gold so there is very little material value if any.
These are two-factor coins so their ownership can be safely transferred without redeeming. See:
https://www.titanbtc.com/buying-and-selling-titans/
Once purchased, you'll be able to change the registration info (email address + password) before these coins are shipped so it is much safer than shipping coins embedded with private keys.
The balance of this coin can be verified at:
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/TpTAYbDf/
https://blockchain.info/address/163Voy1nFHKAg2pCBSX478LbrD79LKPYwv
BITCOIN CASH VERIFY
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/163Voy1nFHKAg2pCBSX478LbrD79LKPYwv
IMPORTANT NOTE: Although these coins do carry Bitcoin Cash value given they were loaded in 2013 before the 8/1/2017 fork, TitanBtc.com currently does NOT support redeeming BCC/BCH on their website. This is also the reason that I'm selling them because I can't wait any longer and needed the money now. You must further understand that if you redeem these coins without also redeeming the BCC/BCH at the same time, you will risk losing your ability to redeem BCC/BCH value in the future unless Titan provides a way to recover the BCC/BCH value in the future. However, the BCC/BCH value of these coins should be rightfully yours and the private keys associated with these coins should absolutely be attainable given they're required in order for Titan to transfer the redeemed bitcoins to your designated address. Having said that it will be entirely up to you and Titan to work out a way for redeeming the BCC/BCH out of these coins.
I paid more than 1BTC per coin when I bought them but I'm now willing to sell them for just the combined BTC+BCC value simply because I can't afford to continue to wait and don't want to render these coins' BCC/BCH value into worthless by only redeeming bitcoins out of them now.
NOTE: Even You see 5 coins in the pictures I don't have all five for sale any more. And this may be the last one that I'm offering. Thanks and good luck!
STARTING BID: 1.13BTC (for one (1) coin in the picture plus one small gift box)
MINIMUM BID INCREMENT: 0.02BTC
END TIME: Sept. 18th, 2017, 15:59:59 PDT COUNTDOWN TIMER (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20170918T155959&p0=869&font=cursive)
SNIPE: Any bid made in last 10 minutes will extend the auction 10 minutes beyond end time until no new bids are made.
PAYMENT: Either in bitcoins or the equal value amount in USD priced at the end of the auction. (DO NOT WIRE PAYMENT UNTIL INSTRUCTED)
SHIPPING: based on location and shipping preference (you pay for shipping, insurance and escrow fee if used)
Comes loaded with 1BTC and 1 BCC/BCH. This is a brand new coin in mint condition. It has never been redeemed, it has never been taken out of its sealed glass enclosure and thus the security seal on the back of the coin was never touched. It came with paper certificate (see coin# 193 in pictures). It will come in a small black gift box.
https://imgur.com/a/2VfNS
NOTE: Despite the gold looking color these goldline coins were NOT made out of gold so there is very little material value if any.
These are two-factor coins so their ownership can be safely transferred without redeeming. See:
https://www.titanbtc.com/buying-and-selling-titans/
Once purchased, you'll be able to change the registration info (email address + password) before these coins are shipped so it is much safer than shipping coins embedded with private keys.
The balance of this coin can be verified at:
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/TpTAYbDf/
https://blockchain.info/address/163Voy1nFHKAg2pCBSX478LbrD79LKPYwv
BITCOIN CASH VERIFY
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/163Voy1nFHKAg2pCBSX478LbrD79LKPYwv
IMPORTANT NOTE: Although these coins do carry Bitcoin Cash value given they were loaded in 2013 before the 8/1/2017 fork, TitanBtc.com currently does NOT support redeeming BCC/BCH on their website. This is also the reason that I'm selling them because I can't wait any longer and needed the money now. You must further understand that if you redeem these coins without also redeeming the BCC/BCH at the same time, you will risk losing your ability to redeem BCC/BCH value in the future unless Titan provides a way to recover the BCC/BCH value in the future. However, the BCC/BCH value of these coins should be rightfully yours and the private keys associated with these coins should absolutely be attainable given they're required in order for Titan to transfer the redeemed bitcoins to your designated address. Having said that it will be entirely up to you and Titan to work out a way for redeeming the BCC/BCH out of these coins.
I paid more than 1BTC per coin when I bought them but I'm now willing to sell them for just the combined BTC+BCC value simply because I can't afford to continue to wait and don't want to render these coins' BCC/BCH value into worthless by only redeeming bitcoins out of them now.
NOTE: Even You see 5 coins in the pictures I don't have all five for sale any more. And this may be the last one that I'm offering. Thanks and good luck!
STARTING BID: 1.13BTC (for one (1) coin in the picture plus one small gift box)
MINIMUM BID INCREMENT: 0.02BTC
END TIME: Sept. 18th, 2017, 15:59:59 PDT COUNTDOWN TIMER (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20170918T155959&p0=869&font=cursive)
SNIPE: Any bid made in last 10 minutes will extend the auction 10 minutes beyond end time until no new bids are made.
PAYMENT: Either in bitcoins or the equal value amount in USD priced at the end of the auction. (DO NOT WIRE PAYMENT UNTIL INSTRUCTED)
SHIPPING: based on location and shipping preference (you pay for shipping, insurance and escrow fee if used)
I will bite... 5.5BTC
That is fine with me. I will retract the bid if everyone prefers?
I think you're still the only bidder. I agreed that if you withdraw your bid I will cancel this auction and relist with one coin at a time.
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What if Tim gets hit by a bus and he is the only one with access to the 2FA stuff? With a private key version I can redeem without having to rely on a third party service. I do trust Titan, but who knows where they will be in say 20 years?
In that case 2FA owners will have to go to court to request a copy of their encrypted database record. I don't disagree with you over the advantage of the private key coins under such circumstances. That's why I think Titan should consider adding a feature allowing coin owners to retrieve their own coin records given there is very minimum risk in doing so once the customer is already in possession of their physical coins.
OK. After seeing numerous posts and having to respond to repeated claims that "2FA coins are not under your control", I'm now feeling compelled to clarify the issue here.
Based on MY best understanding, the so called two-factors coins are actually exactly the same as the so called private-key coins in their physical shape and form as well as their material composition. The ONLY difference between the two is HOW the private key is handled. Perhaps that is the point - people having or believing they have the private key sealed on the back of the coin tend to feel that they are in total control when the facts are:
- You won't know if a private key is there until you unseal the coin.
- An average person wont' be able to tell if a private is valid or not until that person actually tries to redeem the coin, as the company could misprint and printed the wrong key.
- You won't know for sure the non-existence of another copy of the private key somewhere else.
Thus, when you purchase a private key coin you must take a FAITH in the business that you're dealing with, cause it is not possible for you to rule out the risk above in advance.
Now, if you have faith in a company for all of the above, why would you not trust them for 2FA coins? Perhaps, you worried about them losing the private keys? I tend to believe the odd of them losing the private key databases is no greater than me losing the coins. Reason? Those private key databases are encrypted so they can easily backed up and have multiple copies stored at different places (it's even safe to save them in the cloud). Given everything done properly it's still the decryption key printed inside the security seal of the coin that matters, which is in your hands.
Hope this is useful.
Based on MY best understanding, the so called two-factors coins are actually exactly the same as the so called private-key coins in their physical shape and form as well as their material composition. The ONLY difference between the two is HOW the private key is handled. Perhaps that is the point - people having or believing they have the private key sealed on the back of the coin tend to feel that they are in total control when the facts are:
- You won't know if a private key is there until you unseal the coin.
- An average person wont' be able to tell if a private is valid or not until that person actually tries to redeem the coin, as the company could misprint and printed the wrong key.
- You won't know for sure the non-existence of another copy of the private key somewhere else.
Thus, when you purchase a private key coin you must take a FAITH in the business that you're dealing with, cause it is not possible for you to rule out the risk above in advance.
Now, if you have faith in a company for all of the above, why would you not trust them for 2FA coins? Perhaps, you worried about them losing the private keys? I tend to believe the odd of them losing the private key databases is no greater than me losing the coins. Reason? Those private key databases are encrypted so they can easily backed up and have multiple copies stored at different places (it's even safe to save them in the cloud). Given everything done properly it's still the decryption key printed inside the security seal of the coin that matters, which is in your hands.
Hope this is useful.
Can someone tell me how you know if they are 2FA, I know the seller said they are but in general. I myself am looking for a 2013 gold but I thought 2FA is a bad thing.
Without touching the coins you can use the Verify feature on Titan's website. On the balance page it will tell you if it's a private key coin or not. If you redeem the coin of course the code inside the secure seal of a 2FA coin will be a short decryption key instead of the actual private key itself. Hope this clarifies.
I think an easy way for Titan to remove people's concern regarindg 2FA coins is to convert them to private key coins, simply by publishing or emailing coin owners the corresponding encrypted private keys of their 2FA coins. Assuming the private keys were protected by standard symmetric encryption such as AES256 coin owners should be able to decrypt the private key themselves using the code inside the secure seal. I hope Tim reads this post and gives it a consideration.
I am surprised Tim has not worked out a way to redeem those BCH coins... This is why I never bought 2FA coins since you do not hold the whole key you are at the mercy of a third party.
I must admit I was disappointed by the lack of action and attention from Titan on this issue. Although they aren't the only one lagged on the BCC/BCH issue (I heard Coinbase was ignoring it too until there was public uproar about it), I have always had very positive experience with TitanBtc in the past so I had expected them handling the 2FA BCC issue more promptly. Unfortunately that has not been the case.
Would you be willing to split up the coins?
I might bid on one if this was the case.....
Any response from Tim @ Titan about transferring ownership?
I might bid on one if this was the case.....
Any response from Tim @ Titan about transferring ownership?
Yes. I was thinking they may be better valued as one collection. If there is no bid in a few days I will auction one at a time.
Tim has not responded me yet. However transferring ownership can be done on their website. It's the BCC/BCH redemption part that needs them to intervene I believe.
DO NOT BID. THIS AUCTION HAS BEEN CANCELLED AS OF 9/9/2017 11:50PM EST PER AGREEMENT OF PARTIES INVOLVED IN THE AUCTION THUS FAR. ITEMS WILL BE AUCTIONED INDIVIDUALLY WITH DIFFERENT POSTS.
Up for auction are Five (5) 2013 Titan One coins (https://www.titanbtc.com/product/titan-one/) from TitanBtc.com
Comes loaded with 1BTC and 1 BCC/BCH. These were brand new coins in mint conditions. They were never redeemed, they were never taken out of the sealed glass enclosures and thus the security seal on the back of the coins were never touched. They came with paper certificates (see pictures) with low consecutive coin numbers (great for collectors). The two small black gift boxes in the picture are included for free.
https://imgur.com/a/2VfNS
NOTE: Despite the gold looking color these goldline coins were NOT made out of gold so there is very little material value if any.
These are two-factor coins so their ownership can be safely transferred without redeeming. See:
https://www.titanbtc.com/buying-and-selling-titans/
Once purchased, you'll be able to change the registration info (email address + password) before these coins are shipped so it is much safer than shipping coins embedded with private keys.
The balance of these coins can be verified with they coinIDs at:
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/mnDUBW8b/
https://blockchain.info/address/12HG4YkQofvpGe2c5k7XRy1hQ5sHQEZ89E
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/cN5jzkub/
https://blockchain.info/address/1P4crQC96N5q3u15vc6UqP4XgdQjqJ5iFm
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/eKCrzHWt/
https://blockchain.info/address/15KGgy1eTBGxnUA6TZNjaSbULCSnz5Fgcy
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/wpraf9eb/
https://blockchain.info/address/1EecopXPJC4SViG3LNagNy8oktvdgnUXAg
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/TpTAYbDf/
https://blockchain.info/address/163Voy1nFHKAg2pCBSX478LbrD79LKPYwv
BITCOIN CASH VERIFY
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/12HG4YkQofvpGe2c5k7XRy1hQ5sHQEZ89E
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/1P4crQC96N5q3u15vc6UqP4XgdQjqJ5iFm
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/15KGgy1eTBGxnUA6TZNjaSbULCSnz5Fgcy
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/1EecopXPJC4SViG3LNagNy8oktvdgnUXAg
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/163Voy1nFHKAg2pCBSX478LbrD79LKPYwv
IMPORTANT NOTE: Although these coins do carry Bitcoin Cash value given they were loaded in 2013 before the 8/1/2017 fork, TitanBtc.com currently does NOT support redeeming BCC/BCH on their website or at least I couldn't figure out a safe way of making that work. This is also the reason that I'm selling them because I can't wait any longer need the money now. You must further understand that if you redeem these coins without also redeeming the BCC/BCH at the same time, you risk losing your ability to redeem BCC/BCH value in the future unless Titan provides a way to recover the BCC/BCH value in the future. However, the BCC/BCH value of these coins should be rightly yours and the private keys associated with these coins should absolutely be attainable given they're required in order for Titan to transfer the redeemed bitcoins to your designated address. Having said that it will be entirely up to you and Titan to work out a way for redeeming the BCC/BCH out of these coins.
I paid more than 1BTC per coin when I bought them but I'm now willing to sell them for just the combined BTC+BCC value (~1.15BTC/coin as of 9/8) simply because I can't afford to continue to wait and don't want to render these coins' BCC/BCH value into worthless by only redeeming bitcoins out of them now.
STARTING BID: 5.5BTC (for all five (5) coins in the picture plus two small gift boxes)
MINIMUM BID INCREMENT: 0.01BTC
END TIME: Sept. 18th, 2017, 15:59:59 PDT COUNTDOWN TIMER (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20170918T155959&p0=869&font=cursive)
SNIPE: Any bid made in last 10 minutes will extend the auction 10 minutes beyond end time until no new bids are made.
PAYMENT: Either in bitcoins or the equal value amount in USD priced at the end of the auction. (DO NOT WIRE PAYMENT UNTIL INSTRUCTED)
SHIPPING: based on location and shipping preference (you pay for shipping, insurance and escrow fee if used)
Up for auction are Five (5) 2013 Titan One coins (https://www.titanbtc.com/product/titan-one/) from TitanBtc.com
Comes loaded with 1BTC and 1 BCC/BCH. These were brand new coins in mint conditions. They were never redeemed, they were never taken out of the sealed glass enclosures and thus the security seal on the back of the coins were never touched. They came with paper certificates (see pictures) with low consecutive coin numbers (great for collectors). The two small black gift boxes in the picture are included for free.
https://imgur.com/a/2VfNS
NOTE: Despite the gold looking color these goldline coins were NOT made out of gold so there is very little material value if any.
These are two-factor coins so their ownership can be safely transferred without redeeming. See:
https://www.titanbtc.com/buying-and-selling-titans/
Once purchased, you'll be able to change the registration info (email address + password) before these coins are shipped so it is much safer than shipping coins embedded with private keys.
The balance of these coins can be verified with they coinIDs at:
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/mnDUBW8b/
https://blockchain.info/address/12HG4YkQofvpGe2c5k7XRy1hQ5sHQEZ89E
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/cN5jzkub/
https://blockchain.info/address/1P4crQC96N5q3u15vc6UqP4XgdQjqJ5iFm
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/eKCrzHWt/
https://blockchain.info/address/15KGgy1eTBGxnUA6TZNjaSbULCSnz5Fgcy
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/wpraf9eb/
https://blockchain.info/address/1EecopXPJC4SViG3LNagNy8oktvdgnUXAg
https://www.titanbtc.com/verify/TpTAYbDf/
https://blockchain.info/address/163Voy1nFHKAg2pCBSX478LbrD79LKPYwv
BITCOIN CASH VERIFY
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/12HG4YkQofvpGe2c5k7XRy1hQ5sHQEZ89E
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/1P4crQC96N5q3u15vc6UqP4XgdQjqJ5iFm
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/15KGgy1eTBGxnUA6TZNjaSbULCSnz5Fgcy
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/1EecopXPJC4SViG3LNagNy8oktvdgnUXAg
https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin%20cash/address/163Voy1nFHKAg2pCBSX478LbrD79LKPYwv
IMPORTANT NOTE: Although these coins do carry Bitcoin Cash value given they were loaded in 2013 before the 8/1/2017 fork, TitanBtc.com currently does NOT support redeeming BCC/BCH on their website or at least I couldn't figure out a safe way of making that work. This is also the reason that I'm selling them because I can't wait any longer need the money now. You must further understand that if you redeem these coins without also redeeming the BCC/BCH at the same time, you risk losing your ability to redeem BCC/BCH value in the future unless Titan provides a way to recover the BCC/BCH value in the future. However, the BCC/BCH value of these coins should be rightly yours and the private keys associated with these coins should absolutely be attainable given they're required in order for Titan to transfer the redeemed bitcoins to your designated address. Having said that it will be entirely up to you and Titan to work out a way for redeeming the BCC/BCH out of these coins.
I paid more than 1BTC per coin when I bought them but I'm now willing to sell them for just the combined BTC+BCC value (~1.15BTC/coin as of 9/8) simply because I can't afford to continue to wait and don't want to render these coins' BCC/BCH value into worthless by only redeeming bitcoins out of them now.
STARTING BID: 5.5BTC (for all five (5) coins in the picture plus two small gift boxes)
MINIMUM BID INCREMENT: 0.01BTC
END TIME: Sept. 18th, 2017, 15:59:59 PDT COUNTDOWN TIMER (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20170918T155959&p0=869&font=cursive)
SNIPE: Any bid made in last 10 minutes will extend the auction 10 minutes beyond end time until no new bids are made.
PAYMENT: Either in bitcoins or the equal value amount in USD priced at the end of the auction. (DO NOT WIRE PAYMENT UNTIL INSTRUCTED)
SHIPPING: based on location and shipping preference (you pay for shipping, insurance and escrow fee if used)
PM me your email or number so that I can send the photo (sorry, I don't know how to upload it here). These coins came with paper certificates and have consecutive low coin numbers. Their balances can be verified on Titan's website. These are 2FA coins so their ownership can be safely transferred via Titan's website without unsealing the coins themselves. I'm also open to using Escrow but I won't pay for the service fee. I can throw in two gift boxes for free.
I have Titan One gold, not silver. Never redeemed, never touched (it came in a protective enclosing glass). I'm willing to sell it for the current market BTC+BCC price. Note, I don't know how to claim the BCC from it since it's a 2FA coin but I assume the private key has to be recoverable in order for the Titan website to work. So it will be your effort to figure that part out. PM me if interested.
Re: TitanBtc Help: Need to know how to redeem bitcoin cash
I have already reached out to Titan via their website and PMed Tim but haven't heard back from him yet. I notice he hasn't had a post since late March. Hope he is busy working on hooking the ABC Wallet to the backend.
Tim,
Are you working on this? Please keep up posted...
Tim,
Are you working on this? Please keep up posted...
I bought Titan two-factor physical coins back in 2013 but never claimed the bitcoin from it. Using TitanBtc.com I can see the full balance from the 2013 transaction. My question is how can I redeem the bitcoin cash from it? I assume the private key associated with the address had been encrypted with the redemption code printed inside the secure seal, however the redemption process offered by Titan seems only support transferring the balance to another Bitcoin address but doesn't give out the private key after the transfer. Any idea and thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Btw, I'd hate to crack the enclosing glass of the physical coin and waste the gift box. So I'm willing to sell the physical coin for just the current BTC+BCC price if anyone here is interested. Titan website has a safe way to transfer, ownership but you will have to figure out how to claim the bitcoin cash part. PM me if you're interested. Thanks!
Btw, I'd hate to crack the enclosing glass of the physical coin and waste the gift box. So I'm willing to sell the physical coin for just the current BTC+BCC price if anyone here is interested. Titan website has a safe way to transfer, ownership but you will have to figure out how to claim the bitcoin cash part. PM me if you're interested. Thanks!