So it's about volume?

I couldn't find my problem anywhere, but for some reason the program thinks my FTC balance in BTC-E is 0, when it really is five figures. I'll try today with smaller amounts.

Wow. Just wow.

I was not aware of that. It sounds odd, yes. It could be logistical thing though. Factories I used to work in were sometimes very anal about priorities. Maybe they assemble 3 modules to all and then start going through who wanted 4. It sounds stupid, but you wouldn't believe the stupid shit going on in these hierarchical places with strict protocols.

But your guess is as good as mine.

Yeah, perhaps. There are many ways to get compensation and I read today that  some of the batch 3 units might have newer tech (?! can't find  the source right now, so you should consider it hearsay until proven otherwise ).The trust issue isn't as big as it should be with BFL fe. I don't see how their units are upgradable. They're all either usable or unusable. There aren't any options. Avalon still has options.

People who haven't got what they bought of course should get compensated. People who have paid money out their pockets for promises that have been broken should get some compensation. If you ask me. I'm in on this for only 10 BTC, so it's very easy to be calm about the situation.

There are many ways to compensate, for example one of them being early access to the next gen modules. Not asking, just saying.

My opinion, give it a week or two. I'm not sure, but I don't see how it would make the difference in ROI. The avalon chips received still need to be resend and built and tested and so. I'm not an engineer, so I don't know how fast they will be up and how good the machines will be. I just see alot of variables and uncertainties still.

I'm saying that it's entirely your decision, like it was to buy the units. You take your chances and see if what''s on paper is better or worse than what you have.

I'm not defending them, but merely stating a point that there are no certainties here and that there are different ways looking at it. In the end some of those ways make more profit than others.

I was commenting to a poster who seemed to know how the outcome will be and stating it's not that simple, not to one asking: "What should I do".

On paper, that's how it is. But on paper he should have gotten his avalons 2 months ago. On the other hand, on paper, if there's one thing you should pay attention to and consider (IMHO) is this:

Future Proof
The Avalon’s components can be upgraded and swapped out as future parts are released, like a normal PC. You are not forced to switch entire systems.

This reads on their web page. I think that's really on black and white there. Maybe you don't need to get the ROI, maybe you get some BTC for upgrade modules that will get you your ROI. Who knows, but that's what's on paper.

But things rarely go like it stands on paper. It works both ways.

I know how you feel. I don't know how I got the payout. I just tried it from time to time and then it all of a sudden had happened. The 2nd payout was automatic. Don't know how it is atm.

You should check out the OP.

BTW, I think it might something to do with the hacker, I have 2 extra workers that I didn't create.

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I got paid too. Just when I was starting to go and find some place else. Thanks digger.

Payout isn't working. You have about 10 hours to fix this til I go find some other pool.

I think this is a perfect time to make different forks and throw it out there. Nothing is yet "mainstream", so even Bitcoin does not have an impossible headstart advantage. If it's usable or not will be sorted by the users. We'll see what's what.

When you think of it in a long(er) time perspective, maybe 4-7 years, you'll see the difference between LTC and FTC will seem non existent. It will all boil down to:

1. Usability
2. Appearance & marketing
3. DEVs
4. Luck

I think smart move is to maximize your holdings in any crypto you see as a potential success.

At least that's what I'd like to see. Can't speak for anyone else. We should propably do a google group or something so we could spread documents and do polls very easily.

I don't think so, what if a machine breaks down? I think it's more fair we're all on the same board. I was like the 3rd investor and then again I think I was on machine 6. I really don't mind we're all on the same pool. It's far more secure that way.

It's a safe bet to sell. No politics, no difficulties and a little profit. Maybe they don't like how the things have gone on the ASIC front last days. If I had a large amount of shares, I could try to sell a percentage of them, for say double the price and still be in. Or if I had only a small amount of shares (1 btc) I could easily double it instead of waiting for months.

My payments will be to this address:

1LczBHZh54FYpogYbrcD6BYVaq4nHaHYs8

And if they test the actual devices in said week, it's like a catastrophe waiting to happen. Shit, I wouldn't be so sure these Avalons are all hashing after the summer. They're in a rush and as they say in my country (translation's mine): "With rush you'll only make piss headed children.".

At this point I'd like to start addressing the different scenarios that COULD happen from this point towards the moment these  machines are hashing.

For example, we need to consider the possibility of additional fees and how they are handled and what CoinHoarder is comfortable with.

Should we have a wallet set up, where we could put bitcoin to cover any unexpected fees, or is it all covered in the 3% hosting?

In a perfect world unexpected things never occur though, but we're not living in one, so I think we need to do some kind of a threat analysis.

The problem is in defining "hard, but healthy" questions so that any rule made to weed out the bad can't be used wrongly. Worst case scenario is, it can be used by the same kind people who it was designed against; The untrue, the unjustified.

You said, you don't include the whole sub-discussion as FUD, but people wanting to silence others will.