So in order to see the game and participate in it you need to unlock your tronlink, even if you do not have tron on it.
For the moment the website only get info from your tronlink it cannot explore the blockchain by himself yet.

We it is not the best way and we should evolve this in a near future but for the moment website is just a basic interface between tronlink and the contract.


Current jackpot is 55 088 Tron and timer is 6h13min left at the moment where I post this reply.

If you have any troubles connecting with tronlink please let know. I'll see what I can do.




Yes you right also there is no multi level referal in our game : once you lose your earnings depends on players behind you but even if you do no referal at all and if players play after you will earn.

You do not earn more if you refer players and not less if you do not.

You earning once you lost depend on how much share you got, how much share are already in the contract and how much new players play after you regardless if you are the one bringing new players or not.

That's the spirit !




Well we chose to do it like this at start in order to let players try and see and keep the game going even if only few player try it at start. Game have an interest.

Also at start jackpot is not big enough to attract a lot of players so we think the jackpot amount / time ratio is good to let time to first players to try it.

It allow the game to potentially deliver a big jackpot even if it is in a long time, still all along jackpot have an interest to be attempted early even if it is still quit small 55000+ tron for a 40 tron participation you will win a part back if you lose is I think acceptable. It keep the game attractive even with few players at start.




Well it is the other way around a jackpot game in which you can win back your money or even more if you lost early. The goal here is to reward first players that attempt the jackpot but didn't make it. It will also allow them to play again without paying full price if they want too.

It is kind of a rake back we wanted to create : you lost but you help the jackpot getting bigger by trying to win so it will attract new players so you get a reward for it.

As much as you had bet early and help the jackpot grow as much as you get back. A reward for early adopters even if they lose they believe in the contract, so the contract reward them.

We also think it allow players that think it gonna go far ( as elmuria think for example ) to bet some money early as it will help the jackpot get bigger tho it will attract more players and he could still play the game later with the money he will win by attracting new players in it and so on.
But it is a bet, not an investment there no guarantee returns and return only depend on how much players will play after you. So if you think it is attractive enough for players to go far you can play it this way.
Yet it is not the main goal, the main goal is to win the jackpot. We could see this as a side game : you can win money with it but always less than playing only the jackpot.

Finally we think it is a great mechanism to attract new player while keeping older players involved in the game. It will help players more easily talk about it even if they lost as they kind of still playing the game.


For the moment we only had 37 unique users but some had already play several times you can watch our stats on dapp radar [here]https://dappradar.com/tron/650/maddof-s-game. It just started so it is not big but it keep growing.

Jackpot is currently at 55 024 Tron and keep growing ! I hope the momentum will come with the jackpot getting bigger giving more momentum and so on. But could take more or less time we don't know.


Would you like to try it ?

Yes once again you right but their is not much we can do if a user decide to do so, but if you have any recommendation on something we could do I'm ok to try it.

Yet even if you are a big whale and you are the only bot user you could lost more than the jackpot amount using a bot. Bots don't guarantee a win, it just guarantee ( with enough tron ) you are not gonna lose the jackpot but you could bet more then jackpot amount making you a loser even if you win it at some point.

Which website do you refer to ? ( other than fomo3d )


I understand, but their is not much we can do, it is about the game design it self, we don't have much options here.

For early levels bots have no interest but they could have one if the games goes into very late stages.

The problem with using a bot is ( from a game theory perspective ) you need to be the only one doing so because if 2 players use bots it doesn't work for neither of thoses players. So maybe we can't count on the fact players will not try bot just in case some one else could do it and it would ruin the whole strategy.

Also even if only one player use a bot he can't know where the game session is gonna end he can only make sure game session not gonna end if is not the winner so if you use a bot you expose yourself to bet a huge amount without being sure to win ( except with an infinite amount of money of course ).

Yes shares are bought online, to be accurate they bought in a smart contract on tron blockchain.


I'm sorry but I don't understand : why do you think players with faster network would out muscles those with slower networks ?

In this game the last player to bought a share that can win the jackpot not the fastest.


The downside I imagine with a faster network could be, if 2 players decide to buy a share at the exact same moment the one with the fastest network will get his shares first.

But they both gonna get their share anyways.

If the jackpot get hit right after their purchase the one with the slower network indeed get an hedge as he is the last player to had play in the contract.

So you right most reals Madoff's investors lost money.

We decided to call the dapp Madoff's game as a wink to the fact losing players win a part of new player's money as in Madoff's fund he pay earnings to first investors with new investors money.

In our game too some players will lost money for sure, once the jackpot get hit, ( except the winner ofc ) all purchase shares from the previous level ( or two if game goes far ) are going to lose some to most of their betting money (depending on how close they play from the jackpot winner).

This is the main difference with real madoff's scam : our game is a gambling dapp and not a ponzi hedge fund.
We don't lie to players by guarantying them an ROI and we try to keep new players interest by having a jackpot.





I didn't know fomo3d, but I just read about (I'll keep doing so, a lot of content).


So you right gameplay is very similar, few differences from what I understand yet : first one your winnings ( from new players bets ) are not lock in the contract you can withdraw them at anytime even if jackpot is still ongoing. ( some players already had done so btw ).

Also another difference seems to be the steps with the "give back" it generate to losing players, in our game, once you lose it take between 1 to 2 steps to get fully refunded so seems in our game it is a lot quicker to win ROI on losing shares.

Finally if this article is right : https://medium.com/coinmonks/how-the-winner-got-fomo3d-prize-a-detailed-explanation-b30a69b7813f
We should not be vulnerable to this kind of attacks thanks to tron network, this doesn't mean we are not vulnerable to other kind of attack. I need do dig deeper into this.


But for the most part our gameplay is indeed based on same mechanism. From what I read they go pretty far, let's hope we will have the same success. 

The game is a smart contract on tron blockchain so we can't accept any other coin for the moment.

If this kind of game interest enough players we could devellop it on ethereum or other blockchains but only chains supporting this king of contract. Let us know on which chain you would love to play ?




Ok no problem can you tell me exactly what you don't understand or which part is very unclear for you ?
Let's start with the spreadsheet, what do you find confusing with it ? How do you think I should change it ?

Let me know I'll keep improving the topic with feedbacks to make it more clear.

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I just add an estimated projection in the topic under the board for the steps. ( it was behind a link before maybe not clear enough )



Well if you certain the game will reach level 5 or level 6 why you don't bet 10k-20k or 50k right now ?

Let's imagine you right : it go to level 6 and you bet 20k tron right now.

So you will get 500 shares if you right and game reach level 5 at worst you will earn at least 40.48.. tron per share you own so you will get refunded ( even win some little extra ). This just when level 4 end it don't include level 5.

If it go further you will earn a lot more :

 - If you right and it reach level 6 ( level 5 end ) you will win at least 92.77..tron per share you own : 500 x 92 = 46 000tron you get a 26k+ net profit.

 - If as you think it could reach level 8 ( level 7 end ) you will win at least 221.88 tron per share 500 x 221 = 110 500Tron  you get a 90k+ net profit.


*This calculation is a derivative from the board in the topic it doesn't include your cut from the 20% of the jackpot and also assume all shares will be purchase one by one if it is not the case you could even win a bit more.
Finally it assume you buy the last 500 shares from level 2 if you buy them now you will also earn during the level.

So if you right, you can only win more than the projection say.


But it is not sure it will go to level 8 nor nor level 5 nor even level 3 and in this case you would lose money, so only bet money you can afford to lose because nobody can know fore sure when it will stop. It is a bet you would do : this is gambling.


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So the reasons are multiple :

The first one is current fees on eth network that would have force us to increase starting share price (or player would have to pay huge % of share price in fees) and we wanted players to be able to play without risking much (low share price) at least at start in order to test the game and be able to verify every aspect of the game works well.

The second reason is the blocktime allowing us the accelerate the game during last potential levels, on eth block time is less stable than tron and is around 15sec but can vary between 10 to 20sec.

Another reason is we see a lot of gambling user are already on tron so we think it is easier to find new players already getting some interest for gambling dapps (may be we are wrong about that).


But if this kind of game drive interest from enough players to play on ethereum we are ready to develop it on ethereum network as well, we could do it with some small changes to adapt to eth network.


We don't have any company yet, at the moment the smart contract is the only law out there. Don't worry it's a non modifiable smart contract : we can't scam you even if we wanted to. You can check our verified contract with all its call and functions with tronscan : https://tronscan.org/#/contract/TVLdijjw8aryn2sF7KqNS4KtUnKHAGnaGZ/code





At the moment we don't have any direct relationship with Tron team but we gladly get some if any tron team members find the concept interesting or want to interact with us it would be awesome.

Yes transaction fees was one of the reason making us decide to go with Tron network.


What kind of contest do you have in mind ? I  was planning to give some free lots of 100 tron for hero+ members here in oder they can try the game and give us feedback but if you have any king of better contest to propose I'll gladly use it.





So you right for the first part, if only 2 player had play and a third one bet his cut is split between the two existing players : to be precise it is split between shares so if one player got 10 share and the other one got 5 shares the amount is divide in 15 (total number of existing shares) then player with 10 shares receive 10 x 1/15 = 10/15 = 2/3 and second one 5 x 1/15 = 5/15 = 1/3 : the contract don't split by player amount but by shares amount to be totally accurate.

We don't know when it is gonna end this is the goal of the game to not knowing it. It will end once countdown reach 0, but no one can know when this will happen. The incentive for player to keep playing is the jackpot it self, will it be big enough for player to keep playing before countdown end impossible to predict, it is why it's a gambling game.

The only thing we can be certain of, is if the jackpot ever reach 20 billion tron, contract will end the current game session. Then the last person to bet win because no other player will be able to bet after him, but will the jackpot became some day even close from this tremendous amount no one can know. To be totally accurate : when and if jackpot ever reach 19 999 999 600‬ Tron the contract will allwo one last share to be purchase, the player buying this share is sure to win 20 billions tron (well 80% of it) as the contract will not allow any more player to bet after him this player is sure to reach 0 on the countdown.
But honestly it is more than probable the jackpot will get hit far before we reach this crazy amount because if the contract goes one day to level 13 (jackpot > 10 billions tron and this is already far from certainty): max countdown will be 4 block = 12sec so it will required players to play at least every 4 blocks non stop to maintain the session alive >> at any moment during this level if no one play during 4 blocks = 12sec jackpot will get hit and this is more than likely.
The 20 billion max is a "safety" in case game goes to crazy making sure some one win the jackpot some day.

When the jackpot will get it would no mean the end of the game just the end of the game session. Once a session end any one can start a new one by purchasing a share and contract will start a new session. The contract can run an infinite number of game sessions as long as player keep playing.





Thanks we'll keep improving it feel free to give us feedbacks for future improvements.

No if you are the only player to play you also win the totality of the 20%.

The 20% are dived between all existing shares. Winner's share(s) include. The contract don't verify if winner already get shares inside to exclude this address from the split. He just split between all existing shares.


So if you buy for example the 10 first shares from level 0 and nobody play after you, once the jackpot get hit by you the contract will dived the 20% between your 10 shares.
Another example, if you bought 1000 shares at level 1 and game goes on and let's imagine you buy 1 share during level 6 and win the jackpot with it, once the contract split the 20% for all players you you get your part of it calculate on the 1001 share you own, winner share include.

Yes it's ongoing, should be good within few hours.




Thanks a lot do not hesitate to give us feedback




I just ask for a copper membership it should be good very soon.

Can I play with mobile ? 

-Yes you can play with mobile, you just need tronlink install on your mobile to do it. Then it works exactly the same way as on a computer.


Do I pay fees to withdraw my earnings ? 

- The contract will not take any fees to withdraw your earnings but fees from tron network will apply, they are usual fees for any transaction on tron network and they currently are very low. On tron network you can also freeze some tron to not pay fees : More information [https://medium.com/the-notice-board/tron-bandwidth-and-energy-explained-d9070b4f875d][here][/url]


Is it an investor-based game ?    

- No it is not, even if some player could play it like one when it start but the main goal for players is to win the jackpot, you can only win return from other player after you lose. Earnings from other is just an incentive for player to play early in the game with less risk. Return on investment is nor guaranteed nor time based : you don't know when and how much you will get some ROI.
For sure ROI is not the main goal of the game, it is just an incentive for players to attempt the jackpot early and help the jackpot getting bigger not the goal of the game. In any case you will win more if you win the jackpot rather than any “investor player”.


I had lost access to the address I bet with do I have an other way to access my earnings ?

- No you can’t. It is very important to conserve access to your betting address it is the only way the contract identify you as earnings owner and allow you to withdraw it. No matter what, your earnings are always link to your betting address by the contract. Nor we nor anybody have a way to intervene in the contract : if you lose your key you lose the access to your earnings and we cannot do anything about it. The contract is the only law here.


Why I can’t see the “true” current jackpot amount nor the current countdown ?

- In order to see those 2 parameter you need to be connected to tronlink. Until your tronlink is unlocked you will have “fake” number to still have an activity on the site. We will improve the website in order to change this.

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 - Let's start by creating a better bitcointalk topic.

 - Improve the website speed.

 - Improve about website based on players questions and feedbacks.

 - Do a better front end on the website (we do know front end is not very good but we wanted to launch the website asap as long as all functions to interact with the contract works well, we think it is the most important).

 - Add more options on the website like : current total number of shares in the contract and also allow any visitor to see current jackpot and countdown even if they are not log into tronlink.

 - Help other to create their own websites allowing access to the contract, and promoting them.

 - Add more translations.

 - If players love this kind of progressive game we are ready to do develop it on other blockchains, please let us know by replying on this topic and let us know on which chain you'd love to bet.

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Hello, are you available in this moment ?

If yes I had send you a DM, could you reply.

Thanks a lot.