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Does anyone know anything about the dev? Dev, can you show other projects you worked on, I mean if you are experienced you must have some background. I'm not asking for identity, just provide some proof you are not a scammer.
Primul meetup la care am participat. A fost excelent, bineinteles ca nu am apucat sa povestim decat o mica parte din ce ne-am propus. Astept cu interes urmatorul meetup si sper ca data viitoare sa intalnesc si mai multi bitcoineri.
For the record, eu sunt Razvan cu tricou visiniu.
For the record, eu sunt Razvan cu tricou visiniu.
You have asked this in the past and it was answered by synechist... If you have a truly anonymous coin, as XC is, these markets will find you and develop their own system keeping the coin out of the seedy business and making it mainstream for other merchants. I would also encourage those who don't think your fudding to read your post on cloak... You are pretty much for drugs and weapons...I do believe you say you would draw the line at murder and child porn. XCurrency, which has a name that is benign to the masses, has a wide platform, and can be used easily, will be a much better alternative to a coin with a mystic name that will be used on a captive market where the products for sale are voted up or down by those receiving fees for transactions
Thanks for your reply, I see you have done you research.
Yes, I did had an exchange of replys with synerchist and I value his opinion. However I was trying to gauge at the community perspective on this matter so I needed to bring up the discussion again. You can rest assured I will not bring it up again, as it has been clearly dismissed.
I also encourage others to read my other posts on the cloak forum. Just as a clarification, it is not me who is for drugs and weapons, but I was merely saying that except for child abuse, murder and theft, things that are considered illegal no matter where you look, everything else can be bought legally somewhere on the earth. Weapons can be bought legally in US, drugs can be legally bought in parts of EU and US and so on. I have said this in the context of how would regulation work on a decentralized market, by what laws would one regulate what is legal and what is illegal, considering that this would be a world market not subject to any particular set of laws.
I thank everyone who has participated in this discussion, I consider my questions answered.
most of us have no problem with CLOAK or any other coins. as long as it is not outstraight scam. and cloak is great. dev is dedicated.
as to your argument, i suggest you PM the guy who spam cloak.
these arguments are not benefiting any coin but only waste a lot of space here and thread of cloak.
thanks.
I have never posted on cloak's forum. I was responding to "madmanbts" cloak "commercial" on this thread. I think having an anonymous developer in this age of scam coins is a concern. He also spoke of the onemmarket exchange. I would much rather have a XC VISA that I can spend freely at any merchant...
Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA
hey pokie, good to see you on cloak thread also
Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA
If the product is in grey area, I would think that OneJury can decide but if you don't wanna deal with it you can just list/seek on dark tab
These products are not gray, they are either white or completely black, relative to the jurisdiction you chose as reference. The only thing that is always black no matter the jurisdiction is child porn, murder, theft/hacking. Anything else can be bought legally somewhere in the world: weapons, all drugs, prostitution and so on. So this being the case how will OneJudge rate what is legal or illegal? By which laws will they judge?
People who are offended if they see drugs for sale should go shop on ebay.
Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA
OneMarket = OneMarket
but: consider using a top level hierarchy filter eg Light, Dark. To change filter to Dark (or All) display a highly generic disclaimer / notice / eula that some content may offend / or be against the law in your jurisdiction and to enter at your own risk & responsibility bla bla etc etc.
but: consider using a top level hierarchy filter eg Light, Dark. To change filter to Dark (or All) display a highly generic disclaimer / notice / eula that some content may offend / or be against the law in your jurisdiction and to enter at your own risk & responsibility bla bla etc etc.
Q1. If I am a dutch person and I wish to sell marijuana seeds. Do I go to the top level or bottom level and why? Seeds are illegal in some parts of the world and legal in other parts. I am duch and it's legal for me to sell them.
Q2. I am from pakistan and I wish to buy antibiotics for my sheep. It is legal in my country but illegal in most other places. Top level or bottom level?
Q3. I have asthma and I travel to the US. I need a inhalator but my medical prescription is not valid in the US unless I pay couple hundret dollars for a US based doctor to review my medical history. Do I go to top level or bottom level?
Many other examples are possible and the same logic applies for fees. We need to understand that this is a world market and it is impossible to only have legal stuff for sale. Some items will be illegal in some places or will require special authorization to sell or buy. Lab grade solvents can and are used for lsd/dmt manufacturing but are also used for a lot of legal stuff.
I am all up for ANYTHING GOES, EQUAL FEES for everybody, ONE(1) MARKET for everything, OPTIONAL ONEJURY. I call this the AEOO system
Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA
Also OneMarket should be viewed as a tool to increase the Cloak currency velocity and to provide a way to spend the currency thus increasing demand and consecutively increasing price of the cloak currency. The real thing that matters is the anon feature. Darknet users will migrate to cloak only if it is the best at providing anonymity. So PosA is the feature that needs to be closed source at least for a while, but the market does not need to be closed source.
There is also the possibility that other decentralized markets will be developed that will allow the use of multiple currencies. If this will be the case then, again, the coin that will win will be the one that has the most secure anonymity feature.
There is also the possibility that other decentralized markets will be developed that will allow the use of multiple currencies. If this will be the case then, again, the coin that will win will be the one that has the most secure anonymity feature.
Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA
Only the market should be open source, and this is only to protect devs. They can release the software sort of like a proof of concept. Then anybody can take it and use it as they best see fit and assume all responsibility for their own legal or illegal actions.
If the market is closed source, than the devs can be held accountable, and at the very least, be obligated to remove the software but they can possibly even face legal consequences. They can be prosecuted as the operators of illegal activities and this is because in a closed source software the developers have control over what happens. This is not the case with a open source, as once the source is out in the open there is no way to control what the users will use it for.
If they release as open source they will renounce control but they also renounce any responsibility. If bitcoin had been released closed source then satoshi nakamoto would be in jail by now.
If the market is closed source, than the devs can be held accountable, and at the very least, be obligated to remove the software but they can possibly even face legal consequences. They can be prosecuted as the operators of illegal activities and this is because in a closed source software the developers have control over what happens. This is not the case with a open source, as once the source is out in the open there is no way to control what the users will use it for.
If they release as open source they will renounce control but they also renounce any responsibility. If bitcoin had been released closed source then satoshi nakamoto would be in jail by now.
Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA
If OneMarket will be opensource then the devs can not be held responsible for whatever the users do with the software, even if it is illegal stuff. Also remember that this is a world market and not all drugs are illegal everywhere so you can't push out of the market all the people who live in a more free environment than the western world.
Anonimity feature is a niche feature, and it is best suited for illegal activities. Say a user will not want to break any law then why would he chose cloak over bitcoin? There is no reason. Bitcoin is already being used successfully on the dark markets and in great volumes. Building Onemarket in such a way that only legal content can be sold will defeat the purpose of cloak coin.
Using private listings will create the need for third party sites that will list those adds in a searchable way also defeating the purpose of decentralization and not actually solving any problem.
The best way to make it work is to have OneJury as a option. If I am a user that is not interested in illegal stuff I will check OneJury option so that only reviewed listings will show in my results. If I wish to buy some drugs I will uncheck the option and all listings will show up in results.
Adding a listing should cost the same fee all over to prevent spam, but not all listings should be reviewed.
Anonimity feature is a niche feature, and it is best suited for illegal activities. Say a user will not want to break any law then why would he chose cloak over bitcoin? There is no reason. Bitcoin is already being used successfully on the dark markets and in great volumes. Building Onemarket in such a way that only legal content can be sold will defeat the purpose of cloak coin.
Using private listings will create the need for third party sites that will list those adds in a searchable way also defeating the purpose of decentralization and not actually solving any problem.
The best way to make it work is to have OneJury as a option. If I am a user that is not interested in illegal stuff I will check OneJury option so that only reviewed listings will show in my results. If I wish to buy some drugs I will uncheck the option and all listings will show up in results.
Adding a listing should cost the same fee all over to prevent spam, but not all listings should be reviewed.
Thanks for the concern, luckily we have multiple dev's and a full support team, which can be seen in the OP, so I think your "concern" is misplaced.
I think I may have been misunderstood. Let me make it clear: I have absolutely no problem with the XC team which is great and possibly the best lineup. I was just replying to "therightmintality" who after reading my post decided that the best argument he can come up with is that the cloak dev does not have a public/known linkdin profile. I just wanted to make it clear that I don't care at all about who the cloak dev is and that it is not relevant for the discussion I brought up about markets anonymity and so on.
I am very invested in XC at the moment and I feel that it is in my best interest to bring up the discussion about future development plans and marketing. So synergistic says that the team has a plan for marketing but they are waiting for official release to put it in practice, I can totally understand this and I believe it is the right approach. However I have some doubts about the teams official position relative to the decentralized market problem. I had hoped that the community and the team will support this idea but this is not exactly the case. As I favor this development idea a lot I will just put some money in cloak so I get a piece of that action if it happens, and also keep the XC investment.
So there you have it.
@ demgains So is seems to me that you have something against other people buying illegal substances using XC, but you are perfectly fine if they only use it for tax evasion, bribes and other illegal financial shit....maybe not but at least that's what I understand.
Here is what I think:
The most important feature of XCurrency is privacy there is no doubt about this and getting it done is surely the number 1 priority.
Second priority is, at least in my mind, creating an environment that would enable spending XCurrency. I understand that introducing xc on the currency cards and ATMs will make it possible to spend it anywhere or exchange it for fiat, but people can do this just as well with bitcoin. For XC there needs to be a different application, specific for anon coins, like an online market.
By market I refer to a completely decentralized online market that would use xc. For such a market to have success a true anon coin is necessary and xc is perfect for that. Otherwise there are little applications that would absolutely require the use of an anon coin. I mean using it to sponsor political parties is great but still...not enough. Also what point is there to keep the records of a online company private (using xc) if the actual business can not be conducted also in a private way (using a decentralized anon market based on xc).
I consider cloak coin as the most important competitor. They are currently working on implementing a decentralized anon feature that might work out just as well as Dan's implementation. If they do achieve this then I belive in a very short time xc will be losing its advantage because cloak will also have their Onemarket service, maybe you have read their whitepaper.
I feel that in the future most commerce will move on the online medium and next logical step after getting rid of financial middlemen, and thus liberating money (as bitcoin and all the other cryptocurrencies have done), is eliminating the ecommerce middlemen (like ebay, amazon and many others).
There is a great deal of bitcoin being transactioned on the dark markets. Those users will most definitely migrate over to the first good implementation of a decentralized market as they are aware that their weak spot is the fact that the markets they transact on are centralized.
Now don't get me wrong, I do not advertise the sale of drugs, child porn, weapons and what not. All of these issues can be resolved through peer reviews or other methods. But the fact still stands: there is a need for such a free market open to anyone and sooner or later someone will make it happen. I only wish that XC will be the one.
So in conclusion I belive that developing such a application should be first priority after anonymity problem is fully done.
Here is what I think:
The most important feature of XCurrency is privacy there is no doubt about this and getting it done is surely the number 1 priority.
Second priority is, at least in my mind, creating an environment that would enable spending XCurrency. I understand that introducing xc on the currency cards and ATMs will make it possible to spend it anywhere or exchange it for fiat, but people can do this just as well with bitcoin. For XC there needs to be a different application, specific for anon coins, like an online market.
By market I refer to a completely decentralized online market that would use xc. For such a market to have success a true anon coin is necessary and xc is perfect for that. Otherwise there are little applications that would absolutely require the use of an anon coin. I mean using it to sponsor political parties is great but still...not enough. Also what point is there to keep the records of a online company private (using xc) if the actual business can not be conducted also in a private way (using a decentralized anon market based on xc).
I consider cloak coin as the most important competitor. They are currently working on implementing a decentralized anon feature that might work out just as well as Dan's implementation. If they do achieve this then I belive in a very short time xc will be losing its advantage because cloak will also have their Onemarket service, maybe you have read their whitepaper.
I feel that in the future most commerce will move on the online medium and next logical step after getting rid of financial middlemen, and thus liberating money (as bitcoin and all the other cryptocurrencies have done), is eliminating the ecommerce middlemen (like ebay, amazon and many others).
There is a great deal of bitcoin being transactioned on the dark markets. Those users will most definitely migrate over to the first good implementation of a decentralized market as they are aware that their weak spot is the fact that the markets they transact on are centralized.
Now don't get me wrong, I do not advertise the sale of drugs, child porn, weapons and what not. All of these issues can be resolved through peer reviews or other methods. But the fact still stands: there is a need for such a free market open to anyone and sooner or later someone will make it happen. I only wish that XC will be the one.
So in conclusion I belive that developing such a application should be first priority after anonymity problem is fully done.
Who's the developer's of Cloak? Can I look up their bios or find them on Linkdin? I wasn't able to find them on the Cloak site?
Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA
::OneMarket Update::
So question is: "Do we stay with OneJury and try to create a safe marketplace that will compete with the copy-cat dark market coin that is sure to follow (if we can), OR do we just make the coin completely free of all restrictions?"
So question is: "Do we stay with OneJury and try to create a safe marketplace that will compete with the copy-cat dark market coin that is sure to follow (if we can), OR do we just make the coin completely free of all restrictions?"
Here is what i think:
Q1. Can you make OneJury optional? I I were a serious business then I would probably chose to pay the OneJury fee. A darknet seller would not need this feature. So I say build it with OneJury but make it optional. What if there could be a filter? If I check the OpenJury option then the software will show only listings that have OpenJury, otherwise it will show everything or only listings without OpenJury
Q2. If Onemarket is opensource software then you can not be legally held for what other people do with the software. You will just release your work and then you have no possible way to ensure that nobody will use it for bad purposes. You are definitely not legally responsible, but only if the software is opensource and you don't host any part of it.
drk up 18% xmr up 18% cloak up 13% XC up 4%
and xc is by far the best anonymous coin. I don't get it.
and xc is by far the best anonymous coin. I don't get it.
No one does
If you all had half a brain you would be running a PR and Marketing Push here.....http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/ If you read alot of the complaints peoplw have about bitcoin fog and not trusting Darkmarket mixers you would see XC solves alot of problems for a multi Billion Dollar industry... Just a thought..
Thanks pookie. I for one do have half a brain, which I'm about to kill with all the crack, LSD, and MDMA I just bought when I followed your link.
Don't think that's the market we want to tackle, if it was I would exit xc immediately...just a thought.
Yup personally, I'm against it too.
My opinion on this, is that if they want to use XC, that is fine, and is bound to happen (just like they use dollars, bitcoin, other mediums etc).
To actively market to this group is a different story. We don't want to be associated with such things with trying to reach a broader base of consumers.
I agree with pookie. XC is perfect for darknet markets and we should do some marketing over there. I tryed to bring up this discussion about a week ago but nobody seemed to care. If xc is not to be marketed as a perfect payment option for darnetmarkets then why anon? Why would anyone chose XC over bitcoin if all they want is to buy regular stuff? The most important feature of XC is anonimity, why not take advantage.
I think its more about privacy, because the government has made it clear they can track your earnings and spendings through bitcoin. Anonymizing this hides you from the government and hides your asset. I do agree though that I think deepweb will adopt XC if it becomes successful before mass adoption takes place (people who don't know anything about cryptos)
Of course it's bound to happen eventually but I don't think that any of our team members would be comfortable advertising there since it could land us in trouble real quick. You have to remember that our names are out there.
It seems to me that the community in general, is against and I just don't understand why. It will not hinder mass adoption it will only make it happen faster.
@ demgains So is seems to me that you have something against other people buying illegal substances using XC, but you are perfectly fine if they only use it for tax evasion, bribes and other illegal financial shit....maybe not but at least that's what I understand.
Here is what I think:
The most important feature of XCurrency is privacy there is no doubt about this and getting it done is surely the number 1 priority.
Second priority is, at least in my mind, creating an environment that would enable spending XCurrency. I understand that introducing xc on the currency cards and ATMs will make it possible to spend it anywhere or exchange it for fiat, but people can do this just as well with bitcoin. For XC there needs to be a different application, specific for anon coins, like an online market.
By market I refer to a completely decentralized online market that would use xc. For such a market to have success a true anon coin is necessary and xc is perfect for that. Otherwise there are little applications that would absolutely require the use of an anon coin. I mean using it to sponsor political parties is great but still...not enough. Also what point is there to keep the records of a online company private (using xc) if the actual business can not be conducted also in a private way (using a decentralized anon market based on xc).
I consider cloak coin as the most important competitor. They are currently working on implementing a decentralized anon feature that might work out just as well as Dan's implementation. If they do achieve this then I belive in a very short time xc will be losing its advantage because cloak will also have their Onemarket service, maybe you have read their whitepaper.
I feel that in the future most commerce will move on the online medium and next logical step after getting rid of financial middlemen, and thus liberating money (as bitcoin and all the other cryptocurrencies have done), is eliminating the ecommerce middlemen (like ebay, amazon and many others).
There is a great deal of bitcoin being transactioned on the dark markets. Those users will most definitely migrate over to the first good implementation of a decentralized market as they are aware that their weak spot is the fact that the markets they transact on are centralized.
Now don't get me wrong, I do not advertise the sale of drugs, child porn, weapons and what not. All of these issues can be resolved through peer reviews or other methods. But the fact still stands: there is a need for such a free market open to anyone and sooner or later someone will make it happen. I only wish that XC will be the one.
So in conclusion I belive that developing such a application should be first priority after anonymity problem is fully done.
Here is what I think:
The most important feature of XCurrency is privacy there is no doubt about this and getting it done is surely the number 1 priority.
Second priority is, at least in my mind, creating an environment that would enable spending XCurrency. I understand that introducing xc on the currency cards and ATMs will make it possible to spend it anywhere or exchange it for fiat, but people can do this just as well with bitcoin. For XC there needs to be a different application, specific for anon coins, like an online market.
By market I refer to a completely decentralized online market that would use xc. For such a market to have success a true anon coin is necessary and xc is perfect for that. Otherwise there are little applications that would absolutely require the use of an anon coin. I mean using it to sponsor political parties is great but still...not enough. Also what point is there to keep the records of a online company private (using xc) if the actual business can not be conducted also in a private way (using a decentralized anon market based on xc).
I consider cloak coin as the most important competitor. They are currently working on implementing a decentralized anon feature that might work out just as well as Dan's implementation. If they do achieve this then I belive in a very short time xc will be losing its advantage because cloak will also have their Onemarket service, maybe you have read their whitepaper.
I feel that in the future most commerce will move on the online medium and next logical step after getting rid of financial middlemen, and thus liberating money (as bitcoin and all the other cryptocurrencies have done), is eliminating the ecommerce middlemen (like ebay, amazon and many others).
There is a great deal of bitcoin being transactioned on the dark markets. Those users will most definitely migrate over to the first good implementation of a decentralized market as they are aware that their weak spot is the fact that the markets they transact on are centralized.
Now don't get me wrong, I do not advertise the sale of drugs, child porn, weapons and what not. All of these issues can be resolved through peer reviews or other methods. But the fact still stands: there is a need for such a free market open to anyone and sooner or later someone will make it happen. I only wish that XC will be the one.
So in conclusion I belive that developing such a application should be first priority after anonymity problem is fully done.
If you all had half a brain you would be running a PR and Marketing Push here.....http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/ If you read alot of the complaints peoplw have about bitcoin fog and not trusting Darkmarket mixers you would see XC solves alot of problems for a multi Billion Dollar industry... Just a thought..
Thanks pookie. I for one do have half a brain, which I'm about to kill with all the crack, LSD, and MDMA I just bought when I followed your link.
Don't think that's the market we want to tackle, if it was I would exit xc immediately...just a thought.
Yup personally, I'm against it too.
My opinion on this, is that if they want to use XC, that is fine, and is bound to happen (just like they use dollars, bitcoin, other mediums etc).
To actively market to this group is a different story. We don't want to be associated with such things with trying to reach a broader base of consumers.
I agree with pookie. XC is perfect for darknet markets and we should do some marketing over there. I tryed to bring up this discussion about a week ago but nobody seemed to care. If xc is not to be marketed as a perfect payment option for darnetmarkets then why anon? Why would anyone chose XC over bitcoin if all they want is to buy regular stuff? The most important feature of XC is anonimity, why not take advantage.
Here are those pics that caused a stir yesterday... i fu=figure if they are gonna let this jackass scammer ricardo go i can post these for those who didn't see..I trust the Developing team especially with the new addition.. Just for a fresh few or idea Minimalistic style much much more but wont post
I like this design more