Hello,

ICO looks pretty interesting to me. However, there is one red flag which I would like to mention here - vesting period for team+advisors is only 3 months (I did not find any mention in the whitepaper about it, but the staff responded to my question at Telegram channel). Considering 20 % of all tokens dedicated to team+advisors it can be possibly dangerous. Usual vesting period in the cryptoworld is at least 2 years.

Here is a very intersting article about the problem of token distribution and vesting periods https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dana-edwards/criteria-for-determining-fair-distribution-in-an-ico-the-importance-of-vesting-to-align-incentives.

What do you guys think about it?

Very sympathetic ICO, I definitely want to participate I also joined the bounty, good luck, you guys look very solid. 

Anybody paid the shipping fee and received any hardware? (I didn't pay, just being curious...) 

Hi guys,

I just want to share my experience with Hashnest here. At the moment it is the only bitcoin mining service I trust as the mining machines really exist

I participated in PACMIC1 and now in PACMIC3.

These are my figures:
PACMIC 1:
Total Principal: 1.0 BTC
Hashrate: 1 TH/s
Profit: 0.02946627 BTC
ROI: 2.95 %
it was something like 3 months or so...

PACMIC 3:
Total Principal: 1.36166421 BTC
Hashrate: 3.056 TH/s
Profit: 0.03534406 BTC
ROI: 2.57 %
(still running though)

Good offer for me...

The site is back online, but there's nothing new on it.

I don't know what is going on, but if it was a classic scam, it would be already completely offline, or online with a statement claiming the site was hacked and the hacker had stolen all bitcoins/litecoins, or any other bullshit story. I remember when Bitcoin Trader went down (yes, I dumbass got scammed) and it was much different.

I'm just saying I have still some hope...   

Received full refund - thx a lot 

PM sent with refund request - still waiting.

I filed a complaint in BBB against Minersource, as the nearest legal body to by law not existing DZ Miner Coop.

BBB CASE#: 75229997

No delivery of service - hosted bitcoin mining on BlackArrow Prospero X-3
Purchase date: 20th December 2013, 2nd January 2014
Problem date: ongoing
Model: Black Arrow Prospero X-3
Order no. 1354, 1489
260 + 520 USD paid by Bitcoin

Case Description:

On 20th December 2013 and on 2nd January 2014 I ordered 6 bitcoin mining shares (in two orders #1354, #1489, 2+4 shares - 260 + 520 USD paid by Bitcoin) by DZMinerCoop company, which is personally connected to Minersource and it completely stopped communicating so I take it as Minersource is now responsible for the orders of DZMinerCoop (as there are the same people and even the same machines). The machines planned to be used in hosted bitcoin mining were Black Arrow Prospero X-3.

There was no delivery of the service until this day. I requested full refund or product replacement in the form of credit in Minersource e-shop, but nobody responded me until this day. 

Answer from Minersource

This customer has no orders with Miner Hosting LLC.

Miner Hosting LLC sold units to the DZMinerCoop, and is only responsible for the sale to DZMinerCoop and for the hosting of the machines upon arrival.

My consequent answer

(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
DZ Miner Coop as the company stopped communicating with all the customers many months ago. As they are not oficially registered anywhere (as far as I know), and it is publicly known the personal connection between Minersource and DZ Miner Coop, I have to ask for refund Minersource.

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Well, basically they are trying to sneak out from any responsibility. Any lawyers here?

6 shares - 780 USD at that time /amount of BTC is irrelevant in my opinion, as the exchange rate dropped so much/

Here is an IT one:

A SEO expert walks into a bar, bars, pub, public house, Irish pub, drinks, beer….

From Minersource FB page Sept 15th 2014:
"We have recieved a shipment of X3s today, with the replaced capacitors and new PSUs. Will resume shipping tomorrow after burn-in testing is completed".

So, ARE we finally going to hash? DZMinerCoop, we want to see at least some information in this topic !

I have really big problems these days with my G-Blade connected to Raspbery with latest Minera. Miner is online, but it does not mine at all (the only program that looks working sometimes is cpuminer aka minerd, the others - offline). I looked in the console in screen and found out there is a problem with connecting - it keeps saying "trying to connect, retry" etc.

I just don't know what's wrong, it worked a few weeks really good and stable, but the last few days it went wrong

any advice?

thank You

finally... I hope it will make at least some money 

hey guys,

I have quite a big problem with this new Minera 0.3.2 - when I write there my pool information, it always ignores it and uses the default information (so it mines for the author). Any advice?

Well, I've mined 60 SpartacusCoin, what is cca 0.18 USD So, my machines could have been mining something reasonable at that time, but it's alright Next time I will check the code myself

Black Arrow in bitcoin/altcoin media, and not really in good words...

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/black-arrow-new-bitcoin-mining-manufacturer-dark-problems/2014/07/15

interesting coin, in the time of ASICS every X11/X13/X15 coin is good

I would go for minion chips and assembly by Technobit and if possible, hosting by Minersource/DzMinerzCoop. Sounds like the best option for me.

another update:

Black Arrow July 6th 2014 Update

Shipping has started!

Minion

We have tested the Minion powered at 0.6V and the efficiency is 0.5W/ghash at the wall while hashing at 50Ghash. This translates into $1.1/Ghash at this outstanding efficiency.

Prospero X-1

1.Shipping: This week we have manufactured and have been shipping Prospero X-1 miners (Control Board – Original Design). We will clear all X1 orders by the end of July. Customers will be receiving their shipping information as soon as their order will be processed. Our shipment from Black Arrow has confirmed to have left on Saturday.
2.LCD has been tested successfully with the touch panel using our hardware. Following this we are putting it to mass production on Monday and it will be attached to miners as soon as it arrives.
3.WiFi – For the reasons explained in our previous update, WiFi antennas will be delivered together with the units containing LCD.
4.Units will be dispatched without LCD and WiFi until the LCDs will be delivered to us.
5.User Manual can be downloaded from http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-support.html.
6.Photos from our assembly line are available at http://ecointalk.net/gallery/album/42-06-july-update/

Prospero X-2

1.Following market trends, we decided to manufacture a new product which can achieve a lower price per GHash. LCD, WiFi and build in PSU will be not included in the X-2. The idea behind X-2 is to use 1 hashing module from Prospero X3 and power it up with an ATX PSU. Several modules can be powered by one single ATX supply.
2.The hashing power will be around 240 GHash/s.
3.We are now in testing phase of the prototype and we will have a case designed and ready under a week time.
4.We will put this product to sale from stock only.

Prospero X-3

1.We have completed the assembly of first prototype using the new Backplane of Prospero X-3. Testing results have been successful. Following this we progressed to next stage and we have placed the order for mass production.
You can find a short video with our testing at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfwnKZTeAG8
2.We have already manufactured 10% of the X-3 backplanes which are now in SMT line for assembly. We expect to deliver them by 12th of July
3.Deliveries of all X-3 current orders will be completed by the end of the month.
4.LCD will be attached to the miners as soon as they are delivered. All units will be dispatched without LCD. until LCD parts will be delivered to us
5.To prevent interference in the datacenter this product does not have WiFi module/capabilities.
Rent-A-Minion
The service will start according to the place in the queue as soon as the hardware is ready.
Compensation
Currently we are unable to raise the compensation more than announced previously. The final decision will be made after we complete all deliveries in order to calculate the yield and our final costs.
However, we have done all preliminary calculations possible right now and due to our design focused on quality including:
-8 layer PCBs
-heatpipe heatsinks
-aluminium case
-included power supply
-long life 4 wire 5000 RPM fans
-genuine parts (capacitors, resistors, mosfets, inductors etc)
-capacitors that cannot not explode
Our current design will not be able to directly compete on price with competitors’ design most of which are using one or more of the following:
-4 layers PCBs
-extruded aluminum heatsinks
-steel cases or case-less units
-no power supplies
-1500 rpm 2 wire fan (no speed control, no rpm reading)
As currently there are lower cost designs for our ASICs, at this point we would like to offer our loyal customers the possibility to exchange their order to Minion ASICs. We are now offering to exchange your order to ASIC at a discounted price of lower than $0.5/Ghash as follows:
-Each X3 preorder can be exchanged for 100 ASICS
-Each X1 preorder can be exchanged for 6 ASICs
-Each $55 paid for Rent-A-Minion service can be exchanged for 1 ASIC
Note that customers who choose to exchange their orders for ASICs forfeit the compensation announced previously.
Dispatch for the Minions is available immediately
Any customer that wishes to swap their order for ASICs, we have other assembly options available.

looks like something is going on

From Minersource Facebook Page:

Black Arrow Update: 27 June 2014

Shipping: the shipping of the X-1 (Control Board) test batch has been completed. The production of X-1 (Batch1 and Batch2) is close to completion and shipping will resume within days. Please note that the X-1 (RPi) units have been discontinued and are no longer available on order. The delivery for the boards for all X-1 currently on order will be completed by the SMT factory tonight. Product assembly for mass production is already booked.

Following a thorough reviewing, the X-3 backplane has been put in production. The first batch will be delivered this weekend. We have several designs to our disposal and we have to decide which one was the best choice. We will be able to inform our customers on the X-3 shipping schedule within a few days.

LCD - The software team are modifying the driver to work with our MCU. The LCD feature will be added to the miners within 10 days after the driver will be released. We kindly remind our customers that the LCD has been added on their request. Our initial design did not have this option which was added at the beginning of this year. However, once available, the LCD will be installed on all units regardless of the time of the order being placed.

X2 – First batch of Prospero X2 will be assembled and tested next week. More detailed updates on X2 will be provided with our next weekly progress update.

Wi-Fi – External antennas have been tested and Wi-Fi is working. Please note its functionality is linked to LCD/touchscreen functionality. Units with Wi-Fi will be delivered as soon as we have LCD available in our products.

Rent-A-Minion: the first site to host this service has been completed. The delivery for the mining equipment will be done in parallel with the shipping for Batch1 & Batch2. Customers will be notified when their quota will be available according to the shipping queue.

Compensation Package: this has proved to be a hot topic over the past few weeks. The internal assessment on a potential compensation package is under way and the final decision will be made public when the shipping of Batch1 and Batch2 will be completed.

The surprise: there were various speculations regarding the nature of the surprise. We are not keen on sustaining the suspense any longer however we believe that the moment of disclosing the secret has to be well prepared so it can benefit our customers. Without disclosing any details, we can only ask for our customers to bear with us. We are hoping that the waiting will be worth it.