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Re: Butter Bot!: Premier Bitstamp, and BTC-E EMA Trading Platform
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miless2111s
on 02/07/2014, 16:08:57 UTC
Hi im looking for an arbitrage bot that will buy bitcoins on bitstamp and sell them on a  different exchange with an api. Im a total noob so I dont know where to look or how to code. Are there any options currently available?


Hey Lay Smiley,
    (Love the name BTW Smiley ) Arbitrage bots are almost impossible to build for the dominant BTC exchanges because very few of them, if any, support automated Fiat withdrawals. Also, if such a bot were possible to be built, which is not really possible, selling them would be pretty futile as each new entrant would greatly diminish returns for the rest of the community.

I hope that makes sense, please let me know if I can help in any way Smiley.

Pablo.
I wouldnt need it to have that many features.

What I need it to do is:
1) list bitcoins on exchange "A" for 2% more than bitstamp (in foreign currency).
2) when coins sell on exchange "A" - buy that amount of coins on bitstamp.

Thats it.
No transfers or withdrawals necessary at all.
Ive found threads online where lots of people are looking for such bots, so there definitely is a demand on the market for such a bot.

Example:
1) the bot sells 1 bitcoin for 350* UK pounds ($611 usd) on a local site through their api.
2) As soon as an amount is sold the bot then buys that amount of bitcoin for $600(market price) on bitstamp.
 *the bot uses bitstamp price to keep the price constantly updated.


Doesn't that rather assume that the balance tips back again?  What you've posted works for one trade but how do you run another trade?  I'm new to this so forgive me if it's a stupid question Smiley
Using Bitstamp and BTC-e as the example 1 BTC often trades for a reasonable difference, say 600 on BTC-e and 610 on Bitstamp.  So assuming I have a standing balance of 100USD and 1BTC on each exchange(total 2BTC and $2k) when it sees the chance the bot would trade on both leaving me with 0BTC and 1610 on Bitstamp and 2BTC and 400USD on BYTC-e (new total 2BTC and $2.1K).  Unless there is usually a reverse swing allowing me to trade back again to level the balance between the two exchanges how to I normalise the balances to allow me to trade in either direction without needing to move FIAT around?  BTC is easy and cheep to move but USD is expensive stuff to ship around the place and you need a lot of money to be bet on each arbitrage exchange don't you?

Help me understand here Smiley

Thanks

Miles
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Re: Butter Bot!: Premier Bitstamp, and BTC-E EMA Trading Platform
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miless2111s
on 19/05/2014, 09:11:39 UTC
Just a quick update:

Butter-Cream is coming along great! We should start closed testing in the next few weeks and open Beta in late June.

We'll start posting some more info and screenshots as soon as we get some of the legal stuff out of the way.

Smiley

Pablo.
Really looking forwards to being able to trade other things than Bitcoin (no disloyalty but it will make the bot longer lived when bitcoin finally settles down to be a currency without the wild fluctuations).  Also looking forward to being able to use other strategies - having said that I'm a babe in the woods in that area so any primers which can be suggested to make the bot more useful to the untrained would be useful I think Smiley

Hey Smiley,
  I quite agree with you about adding altcoins; I would personally like to support at least the top 4.

About strategies, I also agree. We will create video seminars for the new bot because the interface has a lot more features and it will be easier for everyone for these to be explained. We will create the manuals form user feedback so I'm sure we can put together something useful. About having starter strategies, that's also part of the deal. We do want to differentiate the "Butter" brand however from the scammy "profit" bots out there. We like to look at Butter Bots as tools to generate profit and thus we try to make them as feature packed and flexible as possible which is different from what people out there who "guarantee" certain single automated systems systems (by lying to generate sales). A real trading bot is a tool that has to be modified and adjusted by the user to fit his risk profile and needs, starter strategies should be profitable but should also be only a starting point into something much larger.

I think I diverged a bit but I  hope that helps, please let me know if you need anything at all Smiley.

Pablo.

Do you see a way that it can support things like FOREX?

Miles
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Re: Butter Bot!: Premier Bitstamp, and BTC-E EMA Trading Platform
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miless2111s
on 17/05/2014, 07:52:52 UTC
Just a quick update:

Butter-Cream is coming along great! We should start closed testing in the next few weeks and open Beta in late June.

We'll start posting some more info and screenshots as soon as we get some of the legal stuff out of the way.

Smiley

Pablo.
Really looking forwards to being able to trade other things than Bitcoin (no disloyalty but it will make the bot longer lived when bitcoin finally settles down to be a currency without the wild fluctuations).  Also looking forward to being able to use other strategies - having said that I'm a babe in the woods in that area so any primers which can be suggested to make the bot more useful to the untrained would be useful I think Smiley
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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miless2111s
on 04/05/2014, 06:32:28 UTC

Thanks PW..  And my Miners are hosted so I really have no way to track my Hash rate say for like the last 24hrs (To make sure I did not go down or something)..

I miss that one WP site that use to give REALLY good Hash Rate History..   Are there any other WP stats sites that do this?



you can see 12 hr hash rates at www.wafflepoolmonitor.com

Over the last week maybe 3-4 days I have stopped using the site as I keep getting an error "Invalid address, please check your address, remove any extra spaces/extra characters from your address." which comes up as a dialogue and grabs the attention of Safari so that other windows don't respond.  It has previously worked fine.  I have copied the address in from PW site so I know that it is correct.

Regards

Miles
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Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform
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miless2111s
on 27/04/2014, 09:27:19 UTC
It's a good question.  For some reason it defaulted to this after the last update.  I got tired of changing it to whatever wild forecast was in here because it just seems to consistently lose me money...

Short EMA 20
Long EMA 42
Trade 30 Minutes
Buy 1 - 0   Buy 2 - 0.15
Sell 1 - 0   Sell 2 - 0.1
Stop Loss is 0

So what should this be?  I back test and the profit is not so good.  Empirical evidence suggests that is true.  Yet, other things I've tried have not met with much better success.  Other than when the currency makes huge gains, which currently it is not.

The recommended settings are below.

The issue is sticking with the strategy (and we recognize this is a problem when you see negative results during a period of time), back testing suggests that if you had started with 1 BTC in January you would now have around 1.5 BTC. Part of the problem is that back testing is only denominated in USD currently.

We are solving these two problems with the new release which will allow you to back test in BTC and USD and also we will have shorter term HFT strategies for those looking for more immediate (albeit higher risk) results.

I hope that makes sense.

Pablo.

We recommend the following starter for all exchanges in the current market:

Short EMA: 15    Long EMA: 31
Buy 1: 0    Buy 2: 1
Sell 1: 0    Sell 2: 1
1 hour time window.

Am I doing something stupid?  When I back test on these settings with the start date as 1/1/14 and running till today (26th) I show a -24.89% profit. !!

Hey Smiley,
   I understand that when you look at the USD pricing, given the huge implosion, but you would have made about a 40% profit in terms of BTC; meaning, if you had started with 1BTC you would have ended up with around 1.45. The back current testing is in USD only which is the cause of confusion, the new version will allow you to back test in either BTC or USD and thus solve this issue.

All this will be solved with the new release in a couple of weeks, I'm sorry for the confusion.

Smiley

Pablo.
OK so until the new version comes out there's no way of knowing if any given back test would be profitable in terms of USD or BTC?  Given this I'll have to leave the bot off till I know what is coming out of the back test given I can't seem to find a set of settings which give a +ve profit.  Ah well, roll on butter cream Smiley

Miles
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Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform
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miless2111s
on 26/04/2014, 15:24:19 UTC
It's a good question.  For some reason it defaulted to this after the last update.  I got tired of changing it to whatever wild forecast was in here because it just seems to consistently lose me money...

Short EMA 20
Long EMA 42
Trade 30 Minutes
Buy 1 - 0   Buy 2 - 0.15
Sell 1 - 0   Sell 2 - 0.1
Stop Loss is 0

So what should this be?  I back test and the profit is not so good.  Empirical evidence suggests that is true.  Yet, other things I've tried have not met with much better success.  Other than when the currency makes huge gains, which currently it is not.

The recommended settings are below.

The issue is sticking with the strategy (and we recognize this is a problem when you see negative results during a period of time), back testing suggests that if you had started with 1 BTC in January you would now have around 1.5 BTC. Part of the problem is that back testing is only denominated in USD currently.

We are solving these two problems with the new release which will allow you to back test in BTC and USD and also we will have shorter term HFT strategies for those looking for more immediate (albeit higher risk) results.

I hope that makes sense.

Pablo.

We recommend the following starter for all exchanges in the current market:

Short EMA: 15    Long EMA: 31
Buy 1: 0    Buy 2: 1
Sell 1: 0    Sell 2: 1
1 hour time window.

Am I doing something stupid?  When I back test on these settings with the start date as 1/1/14 and running till today (26th) I show a -24.89% profit. !!
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Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform
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miless2111s
on 21/04/2014, 23:16:24 UTC
What is Butter Cream.. Could you point me to the thread page that announced it and what it is..

Thanks!

Try page 1 of this thread?


LOL  Nice try Donk..  Keep your trap shut if you dont know what your talking about..

Hey, I'll be your Donk if you keep the tinnies flowing Smiley Reading the thread, or God help us using google, wouldn't be too hard really but hey beer talks Smiley
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Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform
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miless2111s
on 21/04/2014, 11:53:06 UTC
What is Butter Cream.. Could you point me to the thread page that announced it and what it is..

Thanks!

Try page 1 of this thread?
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
by
miless2111s
on 21/04/2014, 11:52:20 UTC
the option to pay out in mined coins (or better yet a user configurable % of the twice daily payout to be in mined coins) sounds interesting however the reason I came over from multipool was that I got very frustrated by the dust that was generated - i.e. coins that I had which were too small a balance to actually sell - this nailed my profitability and didn't really even give me something to hold onto and speculate on.   Would it be possible to avoid this or would this just be part of the risk that we'd be taking on with this option?

Miles
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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miless2111s
on 16/04/2014, 12:11:43 UTC
I'm seeing some very odd traces from Waffle Pool Monitor:
Any one else seeing similar or is it a problem at my end?  I understand the two big up spikes - PW explained this on the previous page but the odd sawtooth display on the left is odd Smiley
Thanks
Miles

The sawtooth display on the left is because wafflepoolmonitor.com was not able to download the data through the wafflepool API and not any problem at your end.

This issue has been resolved and such peaks should no longer appear in graphs from now on
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Thanks for that explanation.
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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miless2111s
on 16/04/2014, 08:43:27 UTC
I'm seeing some very odd traces from Waffle Pool Monitor:
http://i62.tinypic.com/qqzk9d.jpg
Any one else seeing similar or is it a problem at my end?  I understand the two big up spikes - PW explained this on the previous page but the odd sawtooth display on the left is odd Smiley
Thanks
Miles
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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miless2111s
on 14/04/2014, 15:52:25 UTC
I wonder if this is a stupid question but I can't work the answer out and I don't remember seeing it answered before so I'll risk it...

Today we're running at 106% profitability vs LTC whilst mining 66% LTC.  This seems to mean that the remaining 33% of has power is generating 6% additional profitability over purely mining LTC.  Why do we mine LTC at all when the other 33% is driving the increase in profitability over a pure LTC play?

I know there's a good reason I just can't work it out (unless it's purely a hedge against the other coins being worse than LTC so diluting that risk)!

Thanks

Miles
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Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform
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miless2111s
on 12/04/2014, 10:44:31 UTC
it's all gone a bit quiet around here - has attention shifted to another thread and I didn't notice? Smiley

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Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform
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miless2111s
on 04/04/2014, 18:15:38 UTC
Friends,
  I would like to remind all of you to please update to the latest version of Butter-Bot at Butter-Bot.com/download. All previous installs will expire on May 1, 2014. Please remember that upgrading is free of charge and grants you access to the newest features and the most up to date software Smiley.

I am here if anyone has any questions.

Pablo.
Sorry for the probably stupid question but how to do this?  I don't want to mess it up Smiley
Thanks
Miles

Hey Smiley,
   This applies only to those running pre version 3 bots. V3's upgrade automatically, the older ones you have to unfortunately delete, re-download the extension from butter-bot.com/download and set up again.

It pretty straight forward, let me know if you have any questions Smiley.

Pablo.
Now I just need to work out which version I have Smiley
Thanks
Miles

Enter the address below into your Chrome URL bar and you will see your version number next to your app on the extension page Smiley.

chrome://extensions/

Pablo.
Great - 3.0.3 Smiley  Thanks for that Smiley
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Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform
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miless2111s
on 04/04/2014, 08:24:07 UTC
Friends,
  I would like to remind all of you to please update to the latest version of Butter-Bot at Butter-Bot.com/download. All previous installs will expire on May 1, 2014. Please remember that upgrading is free of charge and grants you access to the newest features and the most up to date software Smiley.

I am here if anyone has any questions.

Pablo.
Sorry for the probably stupid question but how to do this?  I don't want to mess it up Smiley
Thanks
Miles

Hey Smiley,
   This applies only to those running pre version 3 bots. V3's upgrade automatically, the older ones you have to unfortunately delete, re-download the extension from butter-bot.com/download and set up again.

It pretty straight forward, let me know if you have any questions Smiley.

Pablo.
Now I just need to work out which version I have Smiley
Thanks
Miles
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
by
miless2111s
on 03/04/2014, 20:13:08 UTC
Missing payments? 

Can someone help me out here before I panic Smiley

I have a couple of payments which are showing up in the "details" but haven't shown up in my wallet which is reporting that it is synchronised with the net:

2014-04-01 08:50:24   0.01733143   02dfa6cbcc43eedb627322b38c93e7d1801cc3cfa7a363257795ff6cb24fd4fb
2014-03-31 18:30:45   0.01372869   ecb3ef699145d32c3b09b91e286e27fab340295b19c1c0a571dfaecf3cc02e4d

Given that I have a payment from today I assume that the payment engine isn't stuck so where are these two payments?

Many thanks

Miles

Please run a resync on your wallet.  Both were broadcast successfully and confirmed on the network.  If your wallet isn't showing them, its likely a wallet issue (normally fixed with a resync, or a new wallet)
https://blockchain.info/tx/02dfa6cbcc43eedb627322b38c93e7d1801cc3cfa7a363257795ff6cb24fd4fb
https://blockchain.info/tx/ecb3ef699145d32c3b09b91e286e27fab340295b19c1c0a571dfaecf3cc02e4d
Sorted, thanks Smiley
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Re: GAW Miners -New Gridseed Asic Blade! Buy yours now!
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miless2111s
on 03/04/2014, 06:00:58 UTC
I'm hoping that someone can help point out the flaw in my "man maths" as I want to buy one of these units but I can't make the numbers stack up and so I assume I've made a mistake and hence I hope someone can point it out.

Using the formula
(MH x P x BTC x A) - C = profit over 1 year

where
MH = power of the unit in MH/s - 5.2 for the new blades
P = Profitability (BTC per MH/s per day) - currently running at around 0.004-0.005 at Waffle Pool
BTC = Price of BTC.  Here I'm going to assume 2 levels; 300 as the worst case and 500 as the current ceiling.
A = Availability - I'm going to assume 10 days down time in the year which might be a bit aggressive but these things are meant to be fairly "fiddle free" so I shouldn't have to mess around with them to the same extent that I do with my GPU rigs
C = Cost to purchase.  Note I am not including electricity etc as I am using the hosted model however it would be fairly easy to add it in for other options.

I am basically varying the level of P to check out how low the market can drop before the units fail to make a profit in a year.  A year is a long time in BTC mining it seems to that's another worry.  I am expecting profitability to take a hit when the big scrypt ASIC units hit and there seems to have been a drift down in this value already.  I am not sure that I subscribe to the theory that it will drift down to a point where massive numbers of people drop out and the rise as a result as I suspect people will continue to mine after it is no longer profitable through a combination of hope (that it will turn around), inertia (can't be bothered), ignorance (don't know where the threshold is) and faith (belief in crypto is more important than cash + mine and hold).

As you can see from the numbers below (converted into £ as I am in the UK) at the lower end of the BTC value the blades don't make anything and at the upper end the market only has to drop to 0.0035 before they fail to make money!  Where am I going wrong or is buying one of these basically a $3K bet that the market will rise?

Thanks

Miles

compared to today's profitabilityProf levelGrid MinGrid maxBlade(GAW) MinBlade(GAW) Max
1.250.005-£420.07£1607.17-£133.25£931.57
1.1250.0045-£724.16£1100.36-£292.97£665.36
10.004-£1028.24£593.55-£452.69£399.16
0.8750.0035-£1332.33£86.74-£612.41£132.96
0.750.003-£1636.42-£420.07-£772.13-£133.25
0.6250.0025-£1940.50-£926.88-£931.86-£399.45
0.50.002-£2244.59-£1433.69-£1091.58-£665.65
0.3750.0015-£2548.68-£1940.50-£1251.30-£931.86
0.250.001-£2852.76-£2447.31-£1411.02-£1198.06
0.1250.0005-£3156.85-£2954.12-£1570.75-£1464.26
0.06250.00025-£3308.89-£3207.53-£1650.61-£1597.37
0.031250.000125-£3384.91-£3334.23-£1690.54-£1663.92
0.0156250.0000625-£3422.92-£3397.58-£1710.50-£1697.19

Edited to correctly format the table (done with search and replace in word with some excel formula to sort the £ and red text)
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
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miless2111s
on 02/04/2014, 18:52:25 UTC
does it really matter if previously some sort of tune gave more or less shares by single digit %?  It's PW's pool, his decision and if we don't like it we're free to wander off! Smiley
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Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform
by
miless2111s
on 02/04/2014, 15:16:08 UTC
Friends,
  I would like to remind all of you to please update to the latest version of Butter-Bot at Butter-Bot.com/download. All previous installs will expire on May 1, 2014. Please remember that upgrading is free of charge and grants you access to the newest features and the most up to date software Smiley.

I am here if anyone has any questions.

Pablo.
Sorry for the probably stupid question but how to do this?  I don't want to mess it up Smiley
Thanks
Miles
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Re: [ANN][POOL] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com
by
miless2111s
on 02/04/2014, 11:12:19 UTC
Missing payments? 

Can someone help me out here before I panic Smiley

I have a couple of payments which are showing up in the "details" but haven't shown up in my wallet which is reporting that it is synchronised with the net:

2014-04-01 08:50:24   0.01733143   02dfa6cbcc43eedb627322b38c93e7d1801cc3cfa7a363257795ff6cb24fd4fb
2014-03-31 18:30:45   0.01372869   ecb3ef699145d32c3b09b91e286e27fab340295b19c1c0a571dfaecf3cc02e4d

Given that I have a payment from today I assume that the payment engine isn't stuck so where are these two payments?

Many thanks

Miles