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Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
Hi guys,
i haven't posted anything as I was busy fixing the Ukrainian game in Euro 2024 yesterday. Had to pay a very big sum of money to our goalkeeper (he plays in Real Madrid, so he requested a very big bribe to let those goals in).
As I mentioned before, my last attempt to communicate with Fairlay was before all this bad publicity and all the tags. I did not want to taint their reputation or anything like that, so I proposed to them, that I would bet an insane amount of around 700 000 USD before being able to withdraw funds from them (and bet on the EURO 2024 tournament, biggest betting market possible).
They refused.
On a side note, I guess any person can do a two week research, and still miss the fact that one of 2 teams with Ukrainian players just a season before lost 4-34 in goals over 7 games without Ukrainian players
But, it is always easier to bring up the Ukrainian agenda.
A bystander could even think about a ruzzian or beloruzzian connection here ...
Just saying ...
i haven't posted anything as I was busy fixing the Ukrainian game in Euro 2024 yesterday. Had to pay a very big sum of money to our goalkeeper (he plays in Real Madrid, so he requested a very big bribe to let those goals in).
As I mentioned before, my last attempt to communicate with Fairlay was before all this bad publicity and all the tags. I did not want to taint their reputation or anything like that, so I proposed to them, that I would bet an insane amount of around 700 000 USD before being able to withdraw funds from them (and bet on the EURO 2024 tournament, biggest betting market possible).
They refused.
On a side note, I guess any person can do a two week research, and still miss the fact that one of 2 teams with Ukrainian players just a season before lost 4-34 in goals over 7 games without Ukrainian players
But, it is always easier to bring up the Ukrainian agenda.
A bystander could even think about a ruzzian or beloruzzian connection here ...
Just saying ...
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
I am ready to proceed with holydarkness as the mediator.
Fairlay has my funds in their possession, so there is nothing else I can do. When they confirm, we start the mediation process. I don't control the situation.
Fairlay has my funds in their possession, so there is nothing else I can do. When they confirm, we start the mediation process. I don't control the situation.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
I simply do not believe them at this point. We will run out of potential mediators, if I was to share my evidence too early 
When the mediation process will officially start, all cards will be on deck. Until then let there be doubt.
When the mediation process will officially start, all cards will be on deck. Until then let there be doubt.
I don’t get the point on this logic. Why do you need to make the evidence in sneak peek while you should win all the case in every mediator they will get. How come they will run out of mediator if you will provide evidence to establish solid conclusions about this case.
Are you planning to prolong this case? This kind of a little bit dodgy attitude might backfire to you soon. If you can win here then you will just need to copy paste all the info on other mediator that they will hire to look on your case unless you are not confident with your betting history record.
Easy example
They wanted Gosu representative to be the mediator, they approached him.
But in the meantime I was explaining my side in this thread, Gosu representative efialtis voiced his opinions on the Fairlay's wrongdoings.
Fairlay backtracked and no longer wanted efialtis as the mediator.
There is no point for me to share everything against Fairlay until the mediation process is set up and ready to go. I am afraid they will say holydarkness is not good enough for them, even though they have already agreed.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
I am interested to know about your betting strategy, that you've keep tight in your pocket all this time, and that you claimed to be a proof of your innocence. Perhaps we can go with that? See if it put thing back in motion? Given this thread seemingly stuck on a point and didn't move in any direction.
Its in my pocket for a reason.
Seeing how Fairlay has turned many people against them (even the people they approached themselves to be mediators), I dont want it to happen to anybody else until we finalize the future mediation process.
I simply do not believe them at this point. We will run out of potential mediators, if I was to share my evidence too early
When the mediation process will officially start, all cards will be on deck. Until then let there be doubt.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
Anyway, agree.
Thank you for agreeing to this not easy task.
Seeing where this thing was going (before Gosu blacklisted them) and never having an intention to somehow harm Fairlay's reputation (because frankly speaking I really do like them a lot and I still think this whole thing is one big misunderstanding, because Fairlay guys are not really from betting industry, but rather IT specialists and Crypto guys), I made another attempt to prove to Fairlay that I am just a real big stakes gambler.
I offered them to bet a total of ridiculous amount of 10 BTC on Euro2024 games (the biggest market there is in the industry now) before I could withdraw.
My offer was refused and instead I was promised a "thorough investigation" by Fairlay (what kind of authority do they have to investigate anything across so many borders?), that will take God how much time. I will be notified when it is completed.
All of these, after they agreed on you, holydarkness, as the mediator.
I don't understand, are they backing out of their own decision to leave this matter to a mediator in the first place ?
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
We need a little bit more time to collect more evidence and will post an update in 24 hours.
Please, lets decide on the arbitration panel and then you can present more evidence.
For now, the two people you contacted yourself have agreed, they are
efialtis (Gosubetting.com)
holydarkness
Lets make it 3 in total. As you proposed two of them, I think it will be fair if i have a chance to propose at least one also. Actually I am not an active user of this forum, so I don't know the local community. So I can not propose anybody from my own knowledge. But I have no objection on the person, that was already mentioned here on multiple occasions and appears to be a well respected member of BitcoinTalk family.
So the third member should be cryptofrka or buwaytress (both Legendary users recommended in this thread by others).
Lets make a decision on the third panel member and then you can present more evidence. I feel like there is no need to discuss it further, until the arbitration panel is set and ready to go.
Thank you.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
By this standard, then when you give your will, I am a part of that "team" too, given Fairlay also reached me as well.
Of course, i have no objection.
So for now, we have two members of the panel
efialtis (Gosubetting.com)
holydarkness
we need one more and we are ready to go.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
Fwiw, Fairlay might not be too happy choosing me since I pretty much gave my honest feedback already - and to be fair, I don`t think I have missed any important aspect.
Disclaimer: Honest feedback based on the information that was made available to this point
Disclaimer 3: I stated right from the beginning that I would not take payment just to share my 2 cents
Disclaimer: Honest feedback based on the information that was made available to this point
Disclaimer 3: I stated right from the beginning that I would not take payment just to share my 2 cents
Fairlay has reached out to you themselves. They cant back out now
Plus, for sure they think they have some other valuable information they have not shared yet. As do I of course. The main piece of evidence (which will prove that I am correct here) was not shared by me yet.
Anyways, if you dont have an objection to it, we can consider you Member Number 1 of the arbitration panel, even if you dont want to be paid for it
Can we? @efialtis
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
Fairlay reached out to me yesterday morning regarding the arbitration
It would be very fitting to have you as the first member of the arbitrage panel.
I agree, Fairlay reached out to you, so they obviously agree also. Its your decision.
Do you agree please ?
Thanks
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
I think good arbitrators aren't just about people who bust scams. That's to me very different. You need a few things.
Someone who is trusted to act on the right side, and who has shown in many instances that they can be trusted
Also well known in the gambling section, who also gambles, and has long experience there (this is super important to me)
Also knows the sports involved, this is about football matchfixing
Also has history of helping forum without payment or recognition
I don't disagree about holydarkness or anyone else mentioned, but I mentioned the ones I said because they fit all the above criteria, they actually gamble, they know the different sportsbooks, and I believe more important, they have been involved in arbitration before. At least I know two of them personally arbitrated, one even for me many years ago. They didn't take payment, and didn't even ask for acknowledgment, and even I know two of them helped sooo many people but you don't even see trust rating for that.
One more thing to respect objectivity and transparency Both Fairlay and the accused user should agree on this 'panel' also, and communication should be out in open, not in PMs. Just my 2 cents!
I totally agree. As far as i am concerned, I feel that all the members of BitcoinTalk community mentioned here, that have replied in this thread, are worthy nominees for the panel. I have no objections.
I think we can proceed and confirm those panel members finally, if they are ok with it. I look forward to it.
Thank you.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
newfish1, still waiting for those betting history across platforms from during the period of the bet in question. If you don't mind to provide it here, the soonest you provide them, the soonest one or two thing can be crossed from the list.
I have actually provided already a screenshot of history of one of the books I use. Apart from a 50+ thousand bet on Usyk, you can actually see the bets on the same Finish championship, for example. You can check in detail in this post.
The other ones will be provided to the arbitrator panel. As right now I am the only side providing any evidence, explanations and answering questions. Fairlay simply decides to ignore all the questions and instead to forge the evidence (as proved here)
Having said that, as promised, I will provide a little explanation of my betting strategy with an example, that actually once again proves that I have done nothing wrong. Just need a little bit more time.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
One of the main Fairlay arguments is that my betting behaviour is very "unnatural" in their view.
In an attempt to prove to Fairlay, that I am a normal gambler (yet big sum bettor), I reached out to them and proposed an alternative resolution to this case.
They return my money to the account and allow me to bet.
Before withdrawing I need to make a turnover of more than half a million dollars (8 BTC to be exact) on biggest possible sporting markets (Grand Slam tennis, football EURO2024 and UEFA Champions League)
If i ever make a bet on a small or shady market, they can confiscate the whole balance
The offer was refused.
In the current thread, even though Fairlay has started it themselves, they just ignore any comments and questions. Not a single explanation given by Fairlay on the many interesting questions they have been asked.
As proved by me here, Fairlay has manipulated my betting history to make it look like i won all bets on one Finish games, where in fact i lost.
Fairlay has brought up the Ukrainian connection in relation, for example, to FC Futura's game, but these accusations are ridiculous seeing how FC Futura lost a combined 4-34 in goals in a 7 game stretch just last season when they had zero Ukrainian players. More details in my post here .
Now I understand that this problem can not be resolved in a "peaceful" manner, so it's better to proceed with an arbitrage panel.
I think that enough people have already been recommended by the respected community here, that we can finally proceed with this process.
As i mentioned before I have yet to show some other hard evidence of Fairlay's wrongdoing, but I would rather show it after we agree on an arbitrage panel, as I feel after people see it, Fairlay may back out ...
Lets all agree on a panel.
P.S. When everything is agreed on, I would share all the evidence and answer any questions asked (I have already provided a lot of information, answered a lot of questions, while Fairlay ignores everything and is yet to answer a single question from the community).
P.S.2 As promised before I still have to share information on my betting strategy and why those bets where taken. As promised, I would do it even before Fairlay finally agrees on a panel. I am not them, I have nothing to hide.
In an attempt to prove to Fairlay, that I am a normal gambler (yet big sum bettor), I reached out to them and proposed an alternative resolution to this case.
They return my money to the account and allow me to bet.
Before withdrawing I need to make a turnover of more than half a million dollars (8 BTC to be exact) on biggest possible sporting markets (Grand Slam tennis, football EURO2024 and UEFA Champions League)
If i ever make a bet on a small or shady market, they can confiscate the whole balance
The offer was refused.
In the current thread, even though Fairlay has started it themselves, they just ignore any comments and questions. Not a single explanation given by Fairlay on the many interesting questions they have been asked.
As proved by me here, Fairlay has manipulated my betting history to make it look like i won all bets on one Finish games, where in fact i lost.
Fairlay has brought up the Ukrainian connection in relation, for example, to FC Futura's game, but these accusations are ridiculous seeing how FC Futura lost a combined 4-34 in goals in a 7 game stretch just last season when they had zero Ukrainian players. More details in my post here .
Now I understand that this problem can not be resolved in a "peaceful" manner, so it's better to proceed with an arbitrage panel.
I think that enough people have already been recommended by the respected community here, that we can finally proceed with this process.
As i mentioned before I have yet to show some other hard evidence of Fairlay's wrongdoing, but I would rather show it after we agree on an arbitrage panel, as I feel after people see it, Fairlay may back out ...
Lets all agree on a panel.
P.S. When everything is agreed on, I would share all the evidence and answer any questions asked (I have already provided a lot of information, answered a lot of questions, while Fairlay ignores everything and is yet to answer a single question from the community).
P.S.2 As promised before I still have to share information on my betting strategy and why those bets where taken. As promised, I would do it even before Fairlay finally agrees on a panel. I am not them, I have nothing to hide.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
Fairlay is the only casino strongly claim that this game is match fix including you that’s why I’m asking if has proof that other casino share same opinion since he mention it already.
My opinion in these situations is always the same - if a bookie takes the bet, they need to honor the bet.
They have many levers to pull - they can suspend markets, limit the bets, ban accounts.., it is their responsibility to protect themselves.
Exactly, This is the only casino not honoring bets done on this match.
thank you again for your opinion.
Believe me, the situation is actually much more disturbing.
I haven't even presented my main argument. My goal is not to totally humiliate Fairlay, destroying their reputation, that's why I am still holding my most valuable information back.
And that is exactly why i have privately reached out to Fairlay with a proposal of a (very suitable to both sides) resolution of this (i strongly believe in this) misunderstanding. I am waiting on their response.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
Hey fellas, slaman29 tagged me so just chipping in.
My opinion in these situations is always the same - if a bookie takes the bet, they need to honor the bet.
They have many levers to pull - they can suspend markets, limit the bets, ban accounts.., it is their responsibility to protect themselves.
It's incredibly hard to prove match fixing, and I feel it's the wrong way to approach this case. Was Loris Karius bribed in the Champions League final then?
In amateur leagues all kind of bizarre things happen all the time, and yeah - fixed matches are surely more common. But if somebody's killing you with big bets in Finnish amateur leagues it's your job to find a way around it if you still want to offer these markets.
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Regarding the arbitration - it's my opinion that it needs to be a team of 3-5 people, not a single arbitrator.
My opinion in these situations is always the same - if a bookie takes the bet, they need to honor the bet.
They have many levers to pull - they can suspend markets, limit the bets, ban accounts.., it is their responsibility to protect themselves.
It's incredibly hard to prove match fixing, and I feel it's the wrong way to approach this case. Was Loris Karius bribed in the Champions League final then?
In amateur leagues all kind of bizarre things happen all the time, and yeah - fixed matches are surely more common. But if somebody's killing you with big bets in Finnish amateur leagues it's your job to find a way around it if you still want to offer these markets.
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Regarding the arbitration - it's my opinion that it needs to be a team of 3-5 people, not a single arbitrator.
Hello, thank you for your opinion.
I guess after voicing it, the "bookmaker side of the argument" will not accept you as part of the arbitration panel
After all, you did not bring up the whole "you are Ukrainian, there are Ukrainian players in FC Futura squad, you are guilty, lets take your money" or the "you are betting 40+ thousand on Finnish lower leagues, you are rich, you are guilty, lets take your money" arguments.
For me, it makes much more sense to bet 40k on a Finnish lower league football, following the smart money, than putting even 1k on a roulette table, where the probability is clearly against you.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
Looks very suspicious with Ukraine players in the team...
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.860 FC Kiffen -4.5 100.00 05/12/2024 13:27 186.00 05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.840 FC Kiffen -4.5 100.00 05/12/2024 13:27 184.00 05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.580 FC Kiffen -4.25 100.00 05/12/2024 13:26 158.00 05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.860 FC Kiffen -4.5 100.00 05/12/2024 13:26 186.00 05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.700 FC Kiffen -4.25 130.00 05/12/2024 13:25 221.00 05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.790 FC Kiffen -4.25 139.00 05/12/2024 13:22 248.81 05/12/2024 13:55
Is that a 0.69 BTC bet?
Who would bet such high amount $46k us dollar in a shitty lower league in Finland?
The bettor must be a wealthy man, average salary in Ukraine is like $500 us dollar a month..
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.860 FC Kiffen -4.5 100.00 05/12/2024 13:27 186.00 05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.840 FC Kiffen -4.5 100.00 05/12/2024 13:27 184.00 05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.580 FC Kiffen -4.25 100.00 05/12/2024 13:26 158.00 05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.860 FC Kiffen -4.5 100.00 05/12/2024 13:26 186.00 05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.700 FC Kiffen -4.25 130.00 05/12/2024 13:25 221.00 05/12/2024 13:55
FC Kiffen vs. FC Futura 2.790 FC Kiffen -4.25 139.00 05/12/2024 13:22 248.81 05/12/2024 13:55
Is that a 0.69 BTC bet?
Who would bet such high amount $46k us dollar in a shitty lower league in Finland?
The bettor must be a wealthy man, average salary in Ukraine is like $500 us dollar a month..
I am sorry, but did you read any of my previous posts?
Ukrainian players argument does not make sense, check these out
1-4 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/finland/kakkonen/futura/finland-nurmijarven-jalkapalloseura/4032703/
0-3 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/15/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4032709/
1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/22/finland/kakkonen/pepo/futura/4032714/
0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/29/finland/kakkonen/futura/pk-keski-uusimaa-kerava/4032720/
0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/08/05/finland/kakkonen/jippo/futura/4032724/
1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/18/finland/kakkonen/pk-35-ry/futura/4032669/
1-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/31/finland/suomen-cup/pallo-iirot/futura/4075684/
this is the streak of FC Futura just last season (this season has just started) WITHOUT ANY UKRAINIAN PLAYERS
about me being wealthy man, you obviously did not read this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64142926#msg64142926
per Fairlay's request I have posted a screenshot of my other betting account history, where for example I have a bet of 50 000+ USD Usyk boxing match and annual turnovers of 400 000+ USD only in that account.
So yes, you can consider me wealthy. Does it justify withholding my 0.8 BTC ?
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
Further questions regarding your account.
Why have you bet mainly on basketball in 2019, not used your account for years and now switched to soccer all of the sudden with these high amounts in these specific leagues?
Why didn't you do any other significant bets before?
This is not the behaviour we see from any other user.
Do you have accounts under your name at other bookmakers and would you feel comfortable sharing them and your betting history there?
Why have you bet mainly on basketball in 2019, not used your account for years and now switched to soccer all of the sudden with these high amounts in these specific leagues?
Why didn't you do any other significant bets before?
This is not the behaviour we see from any other user.
Do you have accounts under your name at other bookmakers and would you feel comfortable sharing them and your betting history there?
Unfortunately I can't see my bets from 2019 on Fairlay (the website doesn't show it for some reason) and naturally I don't even remember what bets I took there 5 years ago. So i can not comment on that.
As I mentioned before I lost some in 2019 on Fairlay and forgot about your site for some time, as at that time I didn't find it too user friendly and glitchy.
Of course I didn't feel comfortable to bet big amounts on Fairlay in 2019 as it was still a pretty new entity not known on the market. But even considering all of this, I still deposited 0.331 BTC at that time.
I have many accounts in many different bookmakers and naturally I bet different things in all of them. It depends on the offer availability, odds, limits, so on and so on.
If you need, I will provide you with evidence of these accounts.
The amounts I bet on Fairlay are not the biggest amounts I have taken on the other sport events.
For example, here is a screenshot of a bet I took recently on Usyk - Fury box match. As you can see, this single bet was 50+ thousands of USD.
https://imgur.com/U6znWq2
The second screenshot is the bet history of this bookmaker (BetInAsia) for some years. As you can see I literally make hundreds (sometimes thousands) of bets per year, so it's not humanly possible to remember what I bet where 5 years ago.
https://imgur.com/IwRyZY9
If you want, I can provide year by year screenshots with match details and you will see that I mostly bet football.
This is of course not the only bookmaker i use, but it is the easiest i can show bet history to you.
I just don't understand why you need this, what does it prove or not prove. I bet big, most of the time as big as a bookie allows me.
Maybe Fairlay had lower limits 5 years ago, that's why i stopped using it. Maybe I stopped using it because I lost, and I felt unlucky.
I really don't remember. I didnt even visit your website for years. But when i accidently remembered about it, I found out that you have nice limits in live betting.
I decided to deposit a little and try to bet from there. You say the bets are significantly big, but the risk was very small. I only deposited 0.075 BTC and everything else was profit.
Small risk, big reward.
Fairlay doesn't have a reputation on the market unfortunately, so I considered it a risky bookmaker, so I deposited only a little.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
forgive me for my ignorance, but in a case where this person is the bettor and you are the bookmaker, you should contact the Ukrainian football federation or the governing bodies of those leagues in which this guy placed bets, report that these games are fixed and when the highest bodies of these federations prove that they really are fixed games and that the bettor is also part of the scheme, Is when you could punish the bettor, but in this case you are already punishing the player even though you have not shown proof that The governing bodies of these leagues in which he has placed bets have proven that he is involved in fixed games and that all the games he has bet on are fixed
because I keep asking myself the following: the user is Ukrainian, but according to you he was also involved in fixed Brazilian football matches, in Brazil they speak Portuguese, so how would he be able to understand Portuguese and how he combined with the football players from brazil involved in the fixed game scheme? Is something very strange. I'm not here to defend this Ukrainian guy, I just think that your proof that this guy is involved in fixed matches should come from the police and the highest football bodies in those leagues. what you have are suspicions
because I keep asking myself the following: the user is Ukrainian, but according to you he was also involved in fixed Brazilian football matches, in Brazil they speak Portuguese, so how would he be able to understand Portuguese and how he combined with the football players from brazil involved in the fixed game scheme? Is something very strange. I'm not here to defend this Ukrainian guy, I just think that your proof that this guy is involved in fixed matches should come from the police and the highest football bodies in those leagues. what you have are suspicions
Thank you for your interest in my case.
Imho, Fairlay pushing these ideas concerning me being the same nationality as some players in some teams is very disturbing actually.
I literally destroyed all those arguments in my other post (details here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141823#msg64141823)
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
A quite remember me with the case (STAKE).
But the match-fixing is on some (Tennis Table) tournaments. A small tournament or random tournament is being put on (Stake) especially in Russian, the person tried to do everything like payment and other things via stake.
And, the fund getting seize.
But the match-fixing is on some (Tennis Table) tournaments. A small tournament or random tournament is being put on (Stake) especially in Russian, the person tried to do everything like payment and other things via stake.
And, the fund getting seize.
yes, there were some cases with table tennis.
But, this situation is very different.
In table tennis you have 1 player versus 1 player
Those tournaments were created by bookmakers and involved only amateur players and didnt have a status of official tournaments
Those tournaments were not sanctioned or governed by any official table tennis federation
In my case we are talking about official football tournaments that are part of their respective countries' league systems.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
Personally, this does look suspicious to me. However, one has to provide proof if making allegations, that is the way it works. Innocent until proven guilty. I think both sides must now provide verifiable proof of betting history. It doesn't look good if things are altered.
Thank you for taking interest in this case. Allegations are made against me, so I think Fairlay has to prove I am guilty. Before doing that, they have to prove that the teams and players involved are guilty. Federations dont prove, polices dont prove, Fairlay wants to prove. Good luck with that ...Unfortunately in the modern society, we are so used to the fact that casinos, bookmakers are always winning, that it becomes very suspicious, often proclaimed criminal, when an individual finally beats them (mind you, this is only a one case where I won money, I could be a big losing gambler in other bookies/casinos). Personally, it is very sad for me.
Maybe if one or two bookmakers can make an enquiry into the league and check, and see if other suspicious behaviour is replicated on other platforms?
This is a very curious fact, that Fairlay forgets to mention You can also ask them if they know of any governing body, or law enforcing agency, that is investigating these matches. Or it is only them
While user has not offered any explanation for this betting history, he says he will explain the strategy. If user is from Finland or Brazil it makes sense but seems user is not?
I am sorry, there is so much to write, so much to explain. Unfortunately (well, actually luckily for me) imho Fairlay has so many "bloopers" in their initial accusations, that it will take a lot of time for me to go through all of them and finally get to my betting strategy for others to better understand it. Just please note, that in no time during my recent betting on Fairlay I risked more than my initial deposit of 0.075 BTC (as explained in detail here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141482#msg64141482). Of course, eventually the betting strategy will be explained also. With links, data, numbers and so on. Just the way Fairlay likes it
As mentioned before (and Fairlay strangely emphasizes this fact tying me in some absurd accusations, i exposed it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141823#msg64141823) I am proudly from Ukraine.
Re: Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat
As I mentioned in my first message (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141482#msg64141482), I can only speak for myself and present facts proving my actions were not illegal or even not wrong according to Fairlay's terms and conditions.
Fairlay says that they believe many matches where i had bets on were "fixed".
I am not a member of any football federation, I am also not a member of any law enforcing agency, that is why I can not be 100% sure any game was or was not "fixed".
That is why I can only share with you some of my observations concerning these games.
The first one, and the most obvious - FC Futura
Is one of the main evils in Fairlay's opinion.
I have bets on 3 games with FC Futura involved. 1 game with very big profit (1.1 BTC), and 2 games with very very small profit where the main bets were actually a push (a situation where the result of my bet is a "draw", where I win 0 and lose 0 on a certain bet).
But during the same time period this same team had other games, and the results of those games are
3-7 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2024/04/20/finland/kakkonen/futura/pepo/4323156/
1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2024/05/25/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4323181/
my point is, if I was "fixing" these games, why didn't I try to make money here also? To me the answer is obvious, this team Futura, is just a bad team, they just keep conceding goals with high volume.
They are in last place in their division, 4 points from 7 games, -14 goal difference. That says a lot.
Also, check this out
1-4 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/finland/kakkonen/futura/finland-nurmijarven-jalkapalloseura/4032703/
0-3 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/15/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4032709/
1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/22/finland/kakkonen/pepo/futura/4032714/
0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/29/finland/kakkonen/futura/pk-keski-uusimaa-kerava/4032720/
0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/08/05/finland/kakkonen/jippo/futura/4032724/
this is their 5 games in a row during last season, and just before those games they had these
1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/18/finland/kakkonen/pk-35-ry/futura/4032669/
1-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/31/finland/suomen-cup/pallo-iirot/futura/4075684/
And Fairlay says that 1-6 they lost on May 12th, a match where i made the most profit is suspicious. For me, it looks like a normal result for this Futura team, especially against one of the best teams in their division.
In their post Fairlay made a big emphasis on the fact that there are many Ukrainian players in FC Futura, and they also mentioned that I am Ukrainian. Fairlay was implying that I had a good opportunity to "fix" the result of Futura's games, because many of the players are the same nationality as I am.
I find these comments and allegations very very concerning, due to these facts:
1. Earlier I listed 7 matches (with proof links) of FC Futura just last season where they lost by big margins (most common 1-6, 0-5, exactly as the match where I won my bets), its is very easy to see that in those matches no Ukrainian players have participated
2. Some of the other allegedly "fixed" games where I have made most money were from the leagues of Brazil and Colombia, for example. No Ukrainian players participated in them.
So why is Fairlay using these incriminations because I am Ukrainian
I admire the Fairlay platform and the whole idea, I think it is very well thought of and made. It is evidently made by IT and Crypto specialists because some of the comments they made in their post about a sport Football are just funny.
Let's look at the video highlights they noted as "prove" of my wrongdoings:
1. 16th minute – FC FUTURA player Bazhan getting a direct red card for unnecessary foul (1:35 in highlights)
well, this one is actually proves that my bet was a good one, as, as posted by Fairlay, i have made my bets after the red card with the odds provided by bookmakers. A Ukrainian betting against a team after a Ukrainian gets a red card ? But according to how bookmakers work, odds are already adjusted after a red card. Everything is correct here
2. 25th minute – FC FUTURA player Moyseev getting a yellow card for unnecessary foul (2:05 in highlights)what is this about? A yellow card in football doesn't mean anything and the resulting free kick evidently did not lead to any danger. If he wanted to "fix" the game, why didn't he get a second yellow card to be ejected? Why post here a simple foul which resulted in no danger and no serious punishment? Just because he is Ukrainian?
3. 29th minute – FC FUTURA player Sinitsyn scoring a rather clumsy own goal (2:25 in highlights) and Also, FC FUTURA goalkeeper Kazakov was not putting much effort in doing his job.
its football, its normal, especially considering this is 3-4-5th Divisions in Finland, these are amateurs. Take a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMS36VyuY1A , all fixed by Ukrainians ?
Seriously, I don't see a single solid piece of evidence that there was anything wrong here. Of course Fairlay can say that FC Futura was fixing games last year also (actually if they check Futura's results from even earlier seasons, they would see the same pattern), but my question is then - Why is FC Futura still playing in the Finland Football Federation sanctioned official tournament. Where there were no arrests, no fines, no investigation, nothing ?
A lot of text from Fairlay, a lot of numbers (some of which are altered in their favor, as proven in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141508#msg64141508), a lot of links, videos.
But those are all about nothing, just placeholders ...
Fairlay says that they believe many matches where i had bets on were "fixed".
I am not a member of any football federation, I am also not a member of any law enforcing agency, that is why I can not be 100% sure any game was or was not "fixed".
That is why I can only share with you some of my observations concerning these games.
The first one, and the most obvious - FC Futura
Is one of the main evils in Fairlay's opinion.
I have bets on 3 games with FC Futura involved. 1 game with very big profit (1.1 BTC), and 2 games with very very small profit where the main bets were actually a push (a situation where the result of my bet is a "draw", where I win 0 and lose 0 on a certain bet).
But during the same time period this same team had other games, and the results of those games are
3-7 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2024/04/20/finland/kakkonen/futura/pepo/4323156/
1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2024/05/25/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4323181/
my point is, if I was "fixing" these games, why didn't I try to make money here also? To me the answer is obvious, this team Futura, is just a bad team, they just keep conceding goals with high volume.
They are in last place in their division, 4 points from 7 games, -14 goal difference. That says a lot.
Also, check this out
1-4 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/09/finland/kakkonen/futura/finland-nurmijarven-jalkapalloseura/4032703/
0-3 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/15/finland/kakkonen/futura/fc-reipas/4032709/
1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/22/finland/kakkonen/pepo/futura/4032714/
0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/07/29/finland/kakkonen/futura/pk-keski-uusimaa-kerava/4032720/
0-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/08/05/finland/kakkonen/jippo/futura/4032724/
this is their 5 games in a row during last season, and just before those games they had these
1-6 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/18/finland/kakkonen/pk-35-ry/futura/4032669/
1-5 https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2023/05/31/finland/suomen-cup/pallo-iirot/futura/4075684/
And Fairlay says that 1-6 they lost on May 12th, a match where i made the most profit is suspicious. For me, it looks like a normal result for this Futura team, especially against one of the best teams in their division.
In their post Fairlay made a big emphasis on the fact that there are many Ukrainian players in FC Futura, and they also mentioned that I am Ukrainian. Fairlay was implying that I had a good opportunity to "fix" the result of Futura's games, because many of the players are the same nationality as I am.
I find these comments and allegations very very concerning, due to these facts:
1. Earlier I listed 7 matches (with proof links) of FC Futura just last season where they lost by big margins (most common 1-6, 0-5, exactly as the match where I won my bets), its is very easy to see that in those matches no Ukrainian players have participated
2. Some of the other allegedly "fixed" games where I have made most money were from the leagues of Brazil and Colombia, for example. No Ukrainian players participated in them.
So why is Fairlay using these incriminations because I am Ukrainian
I admire the Fairlay platform and the whole idea, I think it is very well thought of and made. It is evidently made by IT and Crypto specialists because some of the comments they made in their post about a sport Football are just funny.
Let's look at the video highlights they noted as "prove" of my wrongdoings:
1. 16th minute – FC FUTURA player Bazhan getting a direct red card for unnecessary foul (1:35 in highlights)
well, this one is actually proves that my bet was a good one, as, as posted by Fairlay, i have made my bets after the red card with the odds provided by bookmakers. A Ukrainian betting against a team after a Ukrainian gets a red card ? But according to how bookmakers work, odds are already adjusted after a red card. Everything is correct here
2. 25th minute – FC FUTURA player Moyseev getting a yellow card for unnecessary foul (2:05 in highlights)what is this about? A yellow card in football doesn't mean anything and the resulting free kick evidently did not lead to any danger. If he wanted to "fix" the game, why didn't he get a second yellow card to be ejected? Why post here a simple foul which resulted in no danger and no serious punishment? Just because he is Ukrainian?
3. 29th minute – FC FUTURA player Sinitsyn scoring a rather clumsy own goal (2:25 in highlights) and Also, FC FUTURA goalkeeper Kazakov was not putting much effort in doing his job.
its football, its normal, especially considering this is 3-4-5th Divisions in Finland, these are amateurs. Take a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMS36VyuY1A , all fixed by Ukrainians ?
Seriously, I don't see a single solid piece of evidence that there was anything wrong here. Of course Fairlay can say that FC Futura was fixing games last year also (actually if they check Futura's results from even earlier seasons, they would see the same pattern), but my question is then - Why is FC Futura still playing in the Finland Football Federation sanctioned official tournament. Where there were no arrests, no fines, no investigation, nothing ?
A lot of text from Fairlay, a lot of numbers (some of which are altered in their favor, as proven in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498092.msg64141508#msg64141508), a lot of links, videos.
But those are all about nothing, just placeholders ...